elated177:


Adam actually died the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Neither Adam nor those that came after him, his descendants, lived up to or beyond 1000 years. No human being has ever lived up to 1000 years.

budaatum:


This is like claiming if I only live up to 3 score and ten years, I died when I was a score.

budaatum:
Why choose to be descended from Adam who was created from mud to ignorantly work naked in a tiny garden if you could choose to be created in the Image of God to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"?

God after all was not created from mud, or was He? So why would you choose to believe you are created from mud to be a slave instead of being created in God's Image to be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

Can those who do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

Can the ignorant say, "Let there be light" and make the darkness disappear?

If so, how, and what with?

budaatum:



The only reason to sell this nonsense, that one shall surely die if one eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is to scare you from eating the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so your eyes do not open, so you would lack knowledge and never acquire wisdom and remain enslaved to those who enslave you.

And to such people, Christ would likely say, "Woe!"

budaatum:


Why choose to be descended from Adam who was created from mud to ignorantly work naked in a tiny garden if you could choose to be created in the Image of God to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"?

budaatum:

God after all was not created from mud, or was He? So why would you choose to believe you are created from mud to be a slave instead of being created in God's Image to be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

budaatum:

Can those who do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil be fruitful and multiply and replenish and subdue and have dominion?

budaatum:

Can the ignorant say, "Let there be light" and make the darkness disappear?

If so, how, and what with?

elated177:


Budaatum, do you believe what transpired in the Garden of Eden? Do you believe it was the same God who created Adam and made a companion for him that also made the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Do you, budaatum, believe that it was Adam's Creator who instructed him not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

elated177:


I wish it was possible for me to analyze what you quoted here. Could you edit and repost?

budaatum:


It is very possible for you to analyse what I wrote without me editing it and reposting it, especially since I have created very many threads and posted many posts on the same topic.

All you need do is do as Christ said, become as a child and abandon all the rubbish you've been told to believe and use your own heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek for understanding. When you stop thinking as a child and reasoning as a child and stop seeing only a reflection as in a mirror and become a full grown eye opened reasoning adult who has put away childish ways, you will see clearly and fully know.

It is not easy, mind, and is in fact almost impossible as threading a camel through a needle's eye, but it can be done by those who really try.

It is however not possible for those who refuse to eat the fruits of trees of knowledge, because they are obviously lacking in the nutrition that eating fruits of knowledge gives one.

elated177:


Lee onu ya! Onu ugba!

budaatum:


Elated. buda does not believe anything, period, especially not books written by my fellow human beings. I read them for understanding instead.

elated177:

Who told "you" that "you" were naked?

elated177:
Was Adam not ruling over all those things in his naked state?

elated177:
Did the authority he weilded come from his unclothedness or lack of it?

elated177:
You see, Adam lost more than, by far more than, he gained from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

elated177:
Hilarious! If you do not believe you were made from the mud, cut off any part of your body and bury it in the ground. After sometime, return and check it. May be it will turn to plastic. Who knows! Hilarious.

elated177:
Was Adam's ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth dependent upon what he was wearing or what he wasn't wearing?

elated177:
After eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to what extent did he subdue and dominate the earth?

elated177:
It depends on what you call light, budaatum. It is highly likely, going by your antecedents, that your idea of "light" may be completely different from what light really is.

elated177:
Also, if the Owner of the Light has said that what he has given to his creature is enough for such creature to say "let there be light", such creature is not ignorant.

elated177:



It is Satan himself that is speaking through you, budaatum. This I have always known.

budaatum:

They ate the fruit and their eyes opened and they saw for themselves that they were naked.


No, Adam was not ruling over anything in any state. He was placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend it.


Adam wielded no authority whatsoever.


All Adam had was free food and board, the wage of a slave. What he gained from eating the fruit was open eyes and wisdom and freedom from slavery and self employment.


Don't you think it would be much better for one to believe they were made in the Image of a God who was obviously not made from mud, if one wanted to believe anything at all?


Adam was not created with the ability to be fruitful, multiply and subdue and dominate the earth. Adam was created and placed in the tiny Garden of Eden to tend, or rather, slave in it.


He had children. His children had children. And this continued up till today where human descendants of the so called Adam are dominating earth and are on the way to dominate the Moon and Jupiter and Mars.


There is only one Light. And ignorance is not it.


For some odd reason, you believe the creature God created in God's own image, is the same creature created from mud and called Adam.

This is perhaps where you should start, instead of confusing yourself.

elated177:

Adam died exactly the day he disobeyed YHVH's instruction and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Let your argument be on this basis. Did he or did he not die the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

budaatum:


You can very well read it yourself, e.

elated177:



Just answer the question, budaatum.

budaatum:


Adam did obviously not die, e. Dead people do not have children!

budaatum:


Adam did obviously not die, e. Dead people do not have children!

KnownUnknown:


Why don’t you just let them have it the way they want?
After all there was no Adam to “obviously die” or “stay alive”. The OP obviously takes the story as literal, so unless you also take it as literal, there is really nothing to argue about whether he died or lived to be 1000 years old. Lol

elated177:


Did you get the message of this thread?

budaatum:


This is like claiming if I only live up to 3 score and ten years, I died when I was a score.

The only reason to sell this nonsense, that one shall surely die if one eats the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, is to scare you from eating the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil so your eyes do not open, so you would lack knowledge and never acquire wisdom and remain enslaved to those who enslave you.

And to such people, Christ would likely say, "Woe!"

KnownUnknown:


The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more than Eve’s magical tree ever could. Here’s your Christ with fear mongering and threats. Since no one takes the dismemberment literally , the interpret it as avoiding what will cause you to sin, which usually includes knowledge.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is lbetter for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

budaatum:


This thread has no message for me to get. Only those willing to be enslaved would accept the rubbish therein.

KnownUnknown:


The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more than Eve’s magical tree ever could. Here’s your Christ with fear mongering and threats. Since no one takes the dismemberment literally , the interpret it as avoiding what will cause you to “sin”, which usually includes knowledge.

elated177:



Why did you bother coming on it?

budaatum:


Some said the same about your Messiah, so I stand in very good company.

budaatum:


He had children. His children had children. And this continued up till today where human descendants of the so called

budaatum:


Adam are dominating earth and are on the way to dominate the Moon and Jupiter and Mars.

budaatum:


Experience would show you that knowledge actually empowers you to choose whether to sin or not and that it is ignorance that actually makes one sin.

budaatum:

And only a person who has not understood what is presented as Christ's teaching would not see he promoted knowledge, as does the story of the Garden of Eden which they misunderstand.

budaatum:


To debunk your miseducation.

KnownUnknown:


19 Again the Jews were divided
because of these words. 20 Many of
them were saying,
"He has a demon
and is out of his mind. Why listen to Him?

Doesn’t this sound like propaganda to you?.

KnownUnknown:

The Christ fellow is used to enslave and keep them ignorant more

budaatum:


What you've quoted is not meant to enslave you.

Add, if your eyes refuse to see, pluck them out and trod on them. But I'm sure before you pluck out your eyes you'd visit an optician first, unless you are stupid.