frosbel:

I have been here for years battling for the truth and will remain, despite the caustic and ungodly comments from some of you , deceivers and deceived.

Frosbel baba, 

There was this story i told to the kids in my neighborhood the other day, its called "THE CHICK THAT TRIED TO GROW TEETH".

You'ld love the story because it looks similar to your role here. . .trust me you'ld love it. . .should i tell you? 

PA1982:

Bible not corrupt, Obalende?
Tell me.
How does the Gospel according to Mark end?
At what verse?

Passion is one thing, twisting the truth is another, MyJoe.
That OP video was a showcase of hypocrisy and I wasn't going to let its falsehoods go unchallenged.

As for the posters who have actually tackled the reality of NT inconsistencies, I for one applaud your efforts and honesty.
They made for excellent reading and reflection.

Indirah?:

All that I will ask you is simple - let us be CLEAR on what we mean by corruption. As Enigma has asked, is a scribal error or an omission a corruption? I don't think so.

No serious person doubts that there have indceed been errors, omissions, mistranslations, etc
I think the main issue that should concern a serious (not pedantic) mind is whether such issues are of any consequence in overall biblical doctrine.

If they are not, then the critic is being trivial and pedantic

IMHO the questoion you posed about the last words of Jesus is both trivial and pedantic because his last words are of no consequence to overall bible dovctrine. what exactly does it matter if this or that writer heard or transcribed this or that words first or last? It means NADA, and shock me that u will make an argument out of biblical corruption by refering to such trivia

If you want to show corruption in the bible, what you should do is to show the OP that the bible has been so corrupted, mistranslated, added to, etc, that its ESSENTIAL TEACHINGS have become LOST AND CONTRADICTORY

and if u dont do that then harpoing on about such trivia as what was his last word is just childish IMHO

PA1982:

Plenty people have been persecuted because they refused to believe the bible to be inerrant, you know.
Plenty of people have denied themselves medical treatment and education because they believe the bible to be inerrant.

frosbel:

^^^


I have come to the conclusion that you are quite childish !!!!

Havent you heard the scriptures that said . . ."until you become like one of these little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven"? I'd rather be childish than act like a fretful oldie 

Indirah?:

If they are not, then the critic is being trivial and pedantic

PA1982:


Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Harping on trivia?
I disagree, Indirah.
Plenty people have been persecuted because they refused to believe the bible to be inerrant, you know.
Plenty of people have denied themselves medical treatment and education because they believe the bible to be inerrant.

Pastor AIO:

In other words many have died over such Trivia. The bible might be trivia but is the lives of the people that have died over it trivial?

Of course so much of this rests on how individuals choose to interprete the bible.

If you are looking for essential teachings that are unaffected by scribal errors, then you are in a different boat from those that take the bible to be literal inerrant truth.

We will ignore the fact that those essential doctrines are derived (by interpretation) from the actual literal words in the bible.

Tonye-t:

Havent you heard the scriptures that said . . ."until you become like one of these little children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven"? I'd rather be childish than act like a fretful oldie 

frosbel:

We start a serious debate,

Pastor AIO:

In other words many have died over such Trivia.  The bible might be trivia but is the lives of the people that have died over it trivial?  

Of course so much of this rests on how individuals choose to interprete the bible.  If you are looking for essential teachings that are unaffected by scribal errors, then you are in a different boat from those that take the bible to be literal inerrant truth.  
We will ignore the fact that those essential doctrines are derived (by interpretation) from the actual literal words in the bible.  

Indirah?:

,  but i think you will be very hard pressed to find ANYBODY who beliefs in that kind of inerrancy these days. ,

@Frosbel

I really think you need to slow down on your posts. I know you're talking about the Roman Catholics and I'm a Muslim. It's not my business really. But what gives me this concern is, I realize you are reading things from anywhere and anyhow you see them. ain't nothing wrong with seeking knowledge and knowing little things about many things but I have realized that you only seek knowledge but you lack the wisdom to understand them.

There's a big difference between knowledge and wisdom. . . and a concept that is so far from these two is "Divine or Spiritual wisdom". We all can read anything from the scriptures and interpret them to match our modern day knowledge or the limit of our wisdom, but for one to understand concepts that have to do with religion or spiritual issues, We need to seek wisdom fro m God to lead us through the right path and help us to interpret our knowledge.

When someone has the urge for seeking knowledge but lacks divine wisdom, he questions everything around him, and ask blasphemous questions. . . Say blasphemous things. When he's done with points outside things around him, He starts to question is own belief system, He starts to ask why why why? and this is where the madness comes in. We see people like them in our gathering, and we mere mortals see them as being knowledgeable but slightly abnormal. Not knowing God is taking his soul little by little. People like that commits suicide.

My point outside all those blah blah is, Seek God's wisdom while reaching for misleading books and websites that you often read from cos one day, one of the websites or books will tell you, there's nothing like JESUS, and you would start questioning that too.

Peace.

frosbel:

They are not vald in your opinion.

But for those who have read both books with a substantial amount of history and with God's wisdom , can easily understand what the Man is implying in his beautifully laid out video.

If you want to start defending the Quran , then covert and start wearing their Hijab, then we will trully know that you consider their book as holy

frosbel:

They are not vald in your opinion.

But for those who have read both books with a substantial amount of history and with God's wisdom , can easily understand what the Man is implying in his beautifully laid out video.

If you want to start defending the Quran , then covert and start wearing their Hijab, then we will trully know that you consider their book as holy

frosbel:

^^^
You are as blind as a bat when it comes to religion.

It is apparent that your knowledge of the truth is nil and therefore arguing with you will be akin to trying to reason with a non-believer.

Keep throwing your toys out of the pram and raging against God , your deep and unhindered folly will soon find you out.

PA1982:



And yet more raving abuse.
I wonder how that poster who calls frosbel 'passionate' feels when he reads this sort of thing.

I wonder when frosbel will learn that argument by insult only shows just how weak his reasoning is.

Image123:

Just read through this thread out of boredom. But really, which one is 'the last word of Jesus'? Jesus is alive and has being speaking even till today.

frosbel:

Abuse

You are hiding behind the facade of abuse to stifle what was once a promising debate.

For example the Pastor AIO and yourself perhaps , had the temerity to direct insults at my person simply because I refused to answer one of the easiest questions in Sunday school circles. You simply turned this whole issue into a debacle , typical Nigerian Style.

If A Muslim , Hindu, atheist had asked, me then I would have provided them with details , but I knew you guys were up to no good, just engaging in unnecessary arguments about Christ that take you farther from the truth.

Anyway bye to all , continue your discussion, I have no further interest.