Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies
i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?


Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

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The urchins among them did it and as you know urchins can be intimidating to obedient people.

Messiah means the anointed one, and it has to be anointed with LITERALLY OIL, there are many messiahs in the tanakh.

CodeTemplar:
The urchins among them did it and as you know urchins can be intimidating to obedient people.

Who then are these Jewish urchins?

Maynman:
Messiah means the anointed one, and it has to be anointed with LITERALLY OIL, there are many messiahs in the tanakh.

There are many presidents as there is the President of a country.

I speak of "the Messiah" anointed by God Himself and not Man .

This one

John 1:41:
"He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ."


John 4:25:
"The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things."

TenQ:

There are many presidents as there is the President of a country.

I speak of "the Messiah" anointed by God Himself and not Man .

This one

John 1:41:
"He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ."


John 4:25:
"The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things."

The word “messiah” LITERALLY means anointed with OIL, or anyone in position of authority.

There are many messiahs in the tanakh. Saul, samuel, david etc.
That’s why the jews reject your Iesus chrestus that is only found in the New Testament created by CHRESTIANS.

Maynman:


The word “messiah” LITERALLY means anointed with OIL, or anyone in position of authority.

There are many messiahs in the tanakh. Saul, samuel, david etc.
That’s why the jews reject your Iesus chrestus that is only found in the New Testament created by CHRESTIANS.

Who then were the Jews EXPECTING when they can just literally POUR oil on the head of any Jewish man?

TenQ:

Who then were the Jews EXPECTING when they can just literally POUR oil on the head of any Jewish man?

Did samuel POUR OIL on any just jewish man?

TenQ:

Who then were the Jews EXPECTING when they can just literally POUR oil on the head of any Jewish man?

They where expecting a king that will raise an Army that will save them from their enemies round them and restore peace.....

Salvation in Jewish concept is usually saving from physical danger.....
God already gave them a solution to the problem of sin

sonmvayina:


They where expecting a king that will raise an Army that will save them from their enemies round them and restore peace.....

This means that the Messiah is not just any one anointed with oil.
Didn't I mention that in my post that the Messiah was supposed to be the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital ?

TenQ:

This means that the Messiah is not just any one anointed with oil.
Didn't I mention that in my post that the Messiah was supposed to be the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital ?

Yes it has not happened..

They are still waiting....

Jesus is not the Messiah God promised them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_messiah_claimants

Nawa oo, africans busy debating Semitic gods.

Maynman:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_messiah_claimants

Nawa oo, africans busy debating Semitic gods.

They are still the same gods everywhere..

Just with a different name..

sonmvayina:


Yes it has not happened..

They are still waiting....

Jesus is not the Messiah God promised them.

If it had not happened and the Messiah had not yet come, can you please defend Allah's truthful statement in the Qur'an that the Jews CLAIMED that they killed the Messiah


Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.



The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"


If the Qur'an is True AND
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?

sonmvayina:


They are still the same gods everywhere..

Just with a different name..

El the father of the cannanite patheon religion can be traced to Akkadians as Ilu.
Marduk na small boy, they are not the same.

Maynman:


Did samuel POUR OIL on any just jewish man?

Who was Daniel speaking of here

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

TenQ:

Who was Daniel speaking of here

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Here.
Daniel chapters from 7 to 12 are actually talking about the Antiochene crisis that happened around 168 BCE.

Maynman:


Here.
Daniel chapters from 7 to 12 are actually talking about the Antiochene crisis that happened around 168 BCE.

I didn't ask you of the Christian version, I asked of of Daniel's

TenQ:

I didn't ask you of the Christian version, I asked of of Daniel's

Then use the correct text, the tanakh not your kjv again it was talking about Antiochene crisis.

All kings are Messiahs.

Maynman:

Then use the correct text, the tanakh not your kjv again it was talking about Antiochene crisis.

All kings are Messiahs.

Open your Tanakh to the book of Daniel and reference it

Who was Daniel speaking of here ?

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

TenQ:

Open your Tanakh to the book of Daniel and reference it

Who was Daniel speaking of here ?

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Who told you the author is DANIEL?
You are literally quoting the tanakh, just use the masoteric text not king james VERSION
Daniel is about Antiochene crisis
All Israelite Kings are messiahs.
Read Slowly.

Maynman:

El the father of the cannanite patheon religion can be traced to Akkadians as Ilu.
Marduk na small boy, they are not the same.

Lol..Marduk won his place in the pantheon..

Marduk is the creator of the universe..

The lugal dimmer ankia..

sonmvayina:


Lol..Marduk won his place in the pantheon..

Marduk is the creator of the universe..

The lugal dimmer ankia..

Marduk is a small boy.

He won his place in the patheon someone that is the creator of universe bwahahahah

TenQ:

If it had not happened and the Messiah had not yet come, can you please defend Allah's truthful statement in the Qur'an that the Jews CLAIMED that they killed the Messiah


Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.



The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"


If the Qur'an is True AND
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies

QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?

I can't defend absurdities..

Both Christian and Muslim are wrong.

Islam was never a separate religion, it was created by Arabian Christians...The qoran was a lectionary of selected text from both the old and new testament....

I am not a Christian

I am not a Muslim..

sonmvayina:


I can't defend absurdities..

Both Christian and Muslim are wrong.

Islam was never a separate religion, it was created by Arabian Christians...The qoran was a lectionary of selected text from both the old and new testament....

I am not a Christian

I am not a Muslim..

So, you have no relevance to this thread. It is not by force to comment on what you don't know anything about.

The Discussion Question is for

TenQ:
Allah in the Quran QUOTING the Jews, said that that the Jews boasted that they killed their Messiah who is Jesus, the son of Mary and the Messenger of Allah

Quran 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

Muslims do not understand the gravity of this in the Quran simply because they do NOT know who the MESSIAH is to be. If this is not true, I challenge every Muslim to explain by Islamic literatures the Concept of the Messiah.

Crash Course Summary on the Belief of Jews about the Messiah:
1. The Messiah literally means "the Anointed ONE"
2. There can only be ONE Messiah throughout history
3. The Messiah is a Direct Descendant of king David
4. The Messiah is the ONE to Enforce PEACE and Everlasting Kingdom of God on the whole Earth with Jerusalem as the Capital
5. The Messiah is the physical representative of the presence of God on Earth (Emmanuel)

Summary:
The Messiah is the ONE promised by God to Save and Deliver Israel PERMANENTLY from ALL their enemies
i. It would have been no issue if the Jews boasted that they Killed Jesus, son of Mary as its just one man in a million
ii. It may be accepted if they killed the Messenger of Allah because his message to them is too harsh to them
iii. It would be understandable if Jesus was killed because the Jews didn't know that he was the Messiah


QUESTION:
Holding the Quran to be exact literal words of Allah without errors,
1. Why would the Jews BOAST that they killed their only Messiah and what were they going to gain by killing their Messiah
2. According to Islam, who is "the Messiah"?


Let's hope there'll be some interesting response

Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore

Maynman:


Who told you the author is DANIEL?
You are literally quoting the tanakh, just use the masoteric text not king james VERSION
Daniel is about Antiochene crisis
All Israelite Kings are messiahs.
Read Slowly.

I guess you've never read a Tanakh before else, you'll know.

Thanks for your visit before you derail the thread. You are free to open your own thread.

Thanks

TenQ:

I guess you've never read a Tanakh before else, you'll know.

Thanks for your visit before you derail the thread. You are free to open your own thread.

Thanks

Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament bwahahahah

TenQ:

So, you have no relevance to this thread. It is not by force to comment on what you don't know anything about.

The Discussion Question is for

Ok..

Maynman:


Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament bwahahahah

Can you see how you expose your warped arguments?

Please go away!

TenQ:

Can you see how you expose your warped arguments?

Please go away!

Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament.

You are empty!

Maynman:


Illiterate, tanakh is what Christians call Old Testament.

You are empty!

Guess you are so dumb

TenQ:

Open your Tanakh to the book of Daniel and reference it

Who was Daniel speaking of here ?

Dan 9:25: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Dan 9:26: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

You didn't see this!

SMH!

TenQ:

Guess you are so dumb

You didn't see this!

SMH!

You are dumber just like yahweh.
You are LITERALLY quoting the tanakh, you christians call Old Testament.

Who told you the author is DANIEL?

Messiah means Anointed with literally oil or anyone in position of authority, all israelite kings are Messiahs.

Read slowly.