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How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:19am On Apr 04, 2023 |
When Allah through Muhammad first instructed Muslims to start fasting, the aim was to teach them self restraint for food and other pleasures just like the Christians.
At that time, Muslims were allowed to eat, drink and have sexual intercourse only until the `Isha' (Night) prayer, unless one sleeps before the `Isha' prayer. Those who slept before `Isha' or offered the `Isha' prayer, were not allowed to drink, eat or sexual intercourse sex until the next night. The Muslims found that to be difficult for them.
Allah changed his words in Quran 2:187 by saying that you dont need to restrain yourself during Ramadan month as earlier stated but you can now approach (have intercourse with ) your wives And you can eat suhur and that brought the distinction in your fast, and that was how Muslims chose a easy fasting method of eating breakfast. Which is different from the initial one: Sunan an-Nasa'i 2166 It was narrated that 'Amr bin Al-As said: "The Messenger of Allah said: ' The difference between our fasting and the fasting of the people of the Book, is eating Sahur."' 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:27am On Apr 04, 2023 |
In order to make sure that the breakfast is really breakfast, it’s usually taken just before the early morning fasting (Fajr) which is usually around 5:30 am
This is just another example of how Allah through Muhammad changed their revelation at will in a term called Abrogation in which a recent revelation cancels the earlier one, yet they will lie that Allah doesn’t change his words 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:36am On Apr 04, 2023 |
Allah cancelled the earlier revelation on fasting to a new one This is the earlier revelation: Here Allah said that self restraint was the reason while fasting was prescribed for those before Muslims: the Jews and the Christians who had been fasting without eating breakfast for hundreds of years but just for a few years that Muslims tried it and Muhammad feared that his followers may not be able to comply like the Jews and the Christians, Allah through Muhammad changed the rule and revealed an amended law: no more restraints on food and sexual intercourse
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Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 12:21pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
So I laugh at the folly of Muslims who claim that the Bible has old and New Testaments But refuse to comment on frequent change of revelations in the Quran. To have an idea of the number of times these changes were made in the Quran, just search for abrogated verses of the Quran on google and you’ll be amazed by what you will see. Most of the few good verses in the Quran were revealed when Muhammad was powerless and had few followers, the moment he became a warlord, he changed all the good verses to the cruel one and hence the earlier good verses became obsolete. So when Muslims quote those verses for you today, know that they are no longer valid! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 12:26pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
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Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 5:23pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Thatfairguy1 I’m teaching you Tafsir. Come and learn! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 7:41pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Realismailakabir I’m awaiting your response 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 8:06pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
advocatejare:It seems Christians are now so versed in teaching Muslims their religion. This is true only because, Islam hides a lot of things from their adherents 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 8:24pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
TenQ: Look at a future thief also talking of teaching people anything… Hahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:35pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: It would be interesting to see your counter 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 8:48pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Thank you sir for your comment. But counter to what exactly? Cc: potential thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 8:50pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: The op. 2 Likes |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 9:02pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Good. What possible explanation would I give that you’ll find acceptable? Cc: potential thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:04pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: Any reasonable and true explanation. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 9:28pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Excellent! So tell us just one strand of Quranic or extra - Quranic reference before Q2: 183 - 187 which mandates Muslims not to have sexual relations at the night of Ramadan? Just to note: I don’t find the OP that intelligent. But the crux of the OP’s argument is that there’s is a contradiction between earlier Islamic injunction on fasting and later injunction (reference to Q and Hadith in the OP). So it’ll be helpful if you could answer my question. Cc: potential thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:55pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
LegalWolf: I don't know the Koran o, so you can not lay on me o. I am just an innocent bystander looking at what is presented, and in the interest of fair hearing I need the opponent to lay the other side. So, I don't know anything, I just know that assertions would have their own counter if any. 2 Likes |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 10:21pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Oh that’s fine brother. My own style of explanation is the “Socratic method”. Here, I’ll teach you by asking questions and not dishing out answers for you. That is scientifically proven to be more engaging and yields better result. Since you’re an innocent bystander, I’ll just advice that you should keep watching. Let the OP keep hallucinating. I hope that helps. Cc: future thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:04pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
TenQ:The only thing many of them know in that religion is how to recite Al-Fatiha 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:13pm On Apr 04, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:He can’t give what he doesn’t have. Muslims will do anything including telling lies to defend their religion. It’s called Taqiyya He wants to lie to you that Quran 2:183 was not abrogated by Quran 2:187 because he’s ashamed of instability of Allah who they believe was the one who revealed the Quran through a third party called Jibreel, but the same Allah couldn’t keep to his words, he was always changing them Check this link below to read the Tafsir on that Quranic verse I cited: https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/2/187/ 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 5:10am On Apr 05, 2023 |
advocatejare:I discovered that it is more difficult preaching to a non educated Muslim. His life is all about mindlessly performing a religion he knows practically nothing about. Most of them never read by themselves a single hadith. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 5:15am On Apr 05, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:LegalWolf is as predictable as the sun with respect to answering Islamic questions. He would ramble about every other things rather than address the question. Check your next ten posts with him: is the question answered? I can bet the answer is a big FAT No! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 7:48am On Apr 05, 2023 |
TenQ: Lol, I’m quite predictable because I’m coherent and sane. It’s only a lunatic that is unpredictable and incoherent. Lol! Cc: potential thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 8:09am On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:The context was defined my dear! Predictable in avoidance of answering direct questions |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 8:45am On Apr 05, 2023 |
TenQ: LOL! Potential thief that is unpredictable |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:49am On Apr 05, 2023 |
TenQ: i would see all. 1 Like |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 9:50am On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Thanks for at least accepting who you are! LOL! 1 Like |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 10:10am On Apr 05, 2023 |
TenQ:Just like programmed zombies. If only they can read with an open mind, they will be liberated! |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by LegalWolf: 10:25am On Apr 05, 2023 |
TenQ: Unapologetically predictable! But when would you start wearing your toga of a future thief? Ehn LOL! cc: Potential thief TenQ |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 10:57am On Apr 05, 2023 |
advocatejare: let me see it too. 1 Like |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by advocatejare(m): 11:01am On Apr 05, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Just google “Abrogated verses of the Quran “ https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Abrogations_in_the_Qur%27an |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by Dtruthspeaker: 11:11am On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf: Socrates was a teacher meaning he could utilise any style of disseminating his information But right now, you are come to defend an allegation made against your people, so, you are bound by the burden of proof to present a counter and make your own case. And asking me questions, is you using me as your own witness to make your own case, whereas, I am the one trying to hear the case. And you already know, you can not use a Judge hearing a case as a witness. You are supposed to use your own self to make this case, since you are the one interested in defending it. So, present your counter to the case made here and let us see it. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Early Breakfast (suhur) Before Fasting Was Introduced Into Ramadan Fasting! by TenQ: 11:13am On Apr 05, 2023 |
LegalWolf:Pathetic! |
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