How come men are never advised to pray and fast for their wives when the wives misbehave?
I am just coming from the thread about that woman whose husband keep wasting money on gambling and there are many comments there asking her to pray and fast for him.

If a woman is the one displaying lousy parenting or partnership there is usually so much castigation for her and in many cases, her husband is adviced to punish or cheat on her or even divorce her.

I can't imagine a man starting a thread about how his wife leaves the house dirty all the time, doesn't cook or clean and has refused to take advice or change for the better and then that man will be adviced to pray and fast for his lousy wife.
I can't just imagine that scenario. The man will be told to send his wife packing or to get another wife.

Many people really think the verse in the Bible about husband's showing their wives love and leading with love is just there for decoration.

The man is the head of the home. Period..

Men are often advised to fast and pray for their wives. You might not just find such advice a lot on NL which gladly is not the entire universe.

Besides, most of the men prescribing the 'pray & fast' are not doing it from a religious standpoint; it is from a cultural/traditional standpoint. Such a man might most likely support male adultery/polygamy etc which tells you he is not a child of God or follower of Jesus aka Christian.

If you go to the right quarters (where Christian men gather), you would hear that advise often. You would also see men who testified to it working for them.

It is just like looking for advise to be a good investor in the casino.

ayourbamie:
The man is the head of the home. Period..

What does this mean....

In Biblical terms because the OP is addressing Christians.

bukatyne:
Men are often advised to fast and pray for their wives. You might not just find such advice a lot on NL which gladly is not the entire universe.

Besides, most of the men prescribing the 'pray & fast' are not doing it from a religious standpoint; it is from a cultural/traditional standpoint. Such a man might most likely support male adultery/polygamy etc which tells you he is not a child of God or follower of Jesus aka Christian.

If you go to the right quarters (where Christian men gather), you would hear that advise often. You would also see men who testified to it working for them.

It is just like looking for advise to be a good investor in the casino.

Ok, thanks a lot ma.

CHoccolaTE:
How come men are never advised to pray and fast for their wives when the wives misbehave?

The reality is that even when that is bellowed from your many pulpits it is merely for soundbites purposes and nothing more because even the pastor and mog doing the bellowing live with the notion that as traditional heads of their household, such rituals are beneath them. Try to meet up with the same outside of their churchian elements to hear exactly what their true thoughts are made of. To them, God supposedly installed a man over a woman and as such she has to be the prayerful partner in charge of keeping the marriage together.

Kobojunkie:
The reality is that even when bellowed from your many pulpits, the reality is that it is all merely for soundbites purposes and nothing more because even the pastor or mog doing the bellowing lives with the notion that as traditional head of his household such rituals are beneath him. Try to meet up with the same outside of their churchian elements to hear exactly what their true thoughts are made of. To them God supposedly installed a man over a woman and as such she has to be the prayerful partner in charge of keeping the marriage together.

I understand what you mean, many men, especially Africans, see women as lesser creatures that were put on earth to satisfy men and should be controlled. They don't see them as equal humans that deserve love and respect.
I think males just have an innate disdain for females which religion tries to suppress but fails in many cases except in cases where the male is punished for failing to show civility and respect to females, like is done in Western countries for instance.

Because it's mostly easier for me to abandon their families and start a new life than the women and men are mostly the bread winner.

Klass99:


I sincerely hope so. Because I recall reading the Final Quest by Rick Joyner and one of the things he said he noticed from his visions and time with Yeshua, was that The Lord's army is mostly made up of women and children.

Meaning - women and children are mostly the ones who are quick to believe, the ones standing in faith, holding on to their faith and persevering in the place of prayer, bible reading/studies, godly and good deeds etc.

That was my understanding and interpretation though. When I vet what he said and saw in heaven, against what I see here on earth in my world and my space......Rick Joyner wasn't off point at all. Note - he didn't say there were no men, but women and children were the bulk of His army.

While you are correct that women & children are more in the faith, it doesn't negate my post; it actually buttresses it. Remember I said NL is not a place to find such advice because most of them aren't Christians.

Where Christian men gather, they are advised to pray for their wives.

The issue addressed in your post: the standing men are trying to ginger themselves to be more serious with Spiritual matters.

While the men like to claim they are the head (e.g. like a poster on this thread), they fail to understand that they are amongst other things the priest of the home and should lead in Spiritual matters. They believe the burden of prayer is on the wives which sadly a lot of wives believe too.

Again, women are more likely to turn to religion when encountering issues in their lives especially from marriage & children.

CHoccolaTE:


1. I understand what you mean, many men, especially Africans, see women as lesser creatures that were put on earth to satisfy men and should be controlled. They don't see them as equal humans that deserve love and respect.

2. I think males just have an innate disdain for females

3. which religion tries to suppress but fails in many cases

except in cases where the male is punished for failing to show civility and respect to females, like is done in Western countries for instance.

1. It is not any African thing. For instance, The Red Pill movement did not start in Africa. Some people have argued that women fared better in Africa before the colonial masters.

2. I wouldn't say disdain; I would say desire to dominate (not lead) which can be traced to Genesis after the fall of man. Before Eve gave Adam the fruit to eat, Adam saw her as his other half; he called her the bone of his bone and the flesh of his flesh etc. After the eating of the fruit, he named her Eve (mother of all things). One, that naming was what he did to all other things he dominated. 2. He no longer saw he in relation to himself. One of the consequences of the fall was that (a woman would always desire a man and he would dominate/rule over her).

3. I would speak for Christianity: a Christian man (not Church goer, not pastor, not evangelist etc.) would not have that 'desire to dominate' because his mind has been renewed.

Other tools used to curb this is upbringing & when a man genuinely loves a woman.

Interestingly, a lot of women are operating from the place of been dominated. They either believe that:
a. Men & women are not equal in worth. This is different from believing they are not equal as in same. These type of women are open to accepting whatever vices the man brings onboard; afterall he is a man. Such a woman might be active in Church; she is not operating from Biblical knowledge either.

b. Men are superior and so they are playing catch up with feminism to become 'equal' with men. They disdain their womanhood and compare everything to a man. Men do this, we must also.

Karleb:
Because it's mostly easier for me to abandon their families and start a new life than the women and men are mostly the bread winner.

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CHoccolaTE:


Ok, thanks a lot ma.

The post above is a reference.

The advice is from a traditional point of view

A Christian man for instance would know that he 'cannot' abandon his family.

CHoccolaTE:
■ I understand what you mean, many men, especially Africans, see women as lesser creatures that were put on earth to satisfy men and should be controlled. They don't see them as equal humans that deserve love and respect.
■ I think males just have an innate disdain for females which religion tries to suppress but fails in many cases except in cases where the male is punished for failing to show civility and respect to females, like is done in Western countries for instance.

1. Religionists everywhere have a hard time separating their individual cultures and traditions from the idea of God.

2. Religion can't suppress it because religion in and of itself is designed, by men, in such a way as to allow them to wield power and control over the minds and lives of the gullible masses through the use of the many mentions of the name of God.

bukatyne:


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The post above is a reference.

The advice is from a traditional point of view

A Christian man for instance would know that he 'cannot' abandon his family.

Yeah, you're right.

Klass99:
Choco-choco I am interested in this matter and answer the same way you are. I will be back shortly with my thoughts and a true life story I heard on Nigerian Info FM about a fasting and prayer story. Meanwhile........

The quote below is from a male user on the thread you referred to. I asked him yesterday, knowing what you know about gambling, will you marry or stay married to a gambler? Answer truthfully without religious sentiments or other bias..........of course the guy refused to engage or answer the question. Which in itself is very telling.

Many of them are Hypocrites, their behaviour does not surprise me anymore
In their minds women must take all the nonsense and yamayama and pray for husband and submit meanwhile the men themselves would rather die than tolerate the same nonsense and yamayama.

bukatyne:


1. It is not any African thing. For instance, The Red Pill movement did not start in Africa. Some people have argued that women fared better in Africa before the colonial masters.

2. I wouldn't say disdain; I would say desire to dominate (not lead) which can be traced to Genesis after the fall of man. Before Eve gave Adam the fruit to eat, Adam saw her as his other half; he called her the bone of his bone and the flesh of his flesh etc. After the eating of the fruit, he named her Eve (mother of all things). One, that naming was what he did to all other things he dominated. 2. He no longer saw he in relation to himself. One of the consequences of the fall was that (a woman would always desire a man and he would dominate/rule over her).

3. I would speak for Christianity: a Christian man (not Church goer, not pastor, not evangelist etc.) would not have that 'desire to dominate' because his mind has been renewed.

Other tools used to curb this is upbringing & when a man genuinely loves a woman.

Interestingly, a lot of women are operating from the place of been dominated. They either believe that:
a. Men & women are not equal in worth. This is different from believing they are not equal as in same. These type of women are open to accepting whatever vices the man brings onboard; afterall he is a man. Such a woman might be active in Church; she is not operating from Biblical knowledge either.

b. Men are superior and so they are playing catch up with feminism to become 'equal' with men. They disdain their womanhood and compare everything to a man. Men do this, we must also.

Thanks for the detailed and intelligent responses.

I respect the christian views of lots of my seniors here.They are sound advice and worthy of note.I quite find it a bit difficult to give sound christian doctrinal solutions to people's issues when they come online. The major reason been that most of the contributors here can't be termed christians (even when most of us tend to attend local congregations,)I really get week and wonder to see young person's make satanic contributions on public forums as solution to some ones heart cry!! and sometimes wonder how some of us were trained .thus, to wage away from bashings of all kinds ,I try talking to individuals privately (thanks to seuns private buttons).but I still chip in (rarely though )for extremely emergency issues.

eben97:
▶I respect the christian views of lots of my seniors here.They are sound advice and worthy of note.I quite find it a bit difficult to give sound christian doctrinal solutions to people's issues when they come online. The major reason been that most of the contributors here can't be termed christians (even when most of us tend to attend local congregations,)
■ I really get week and wonder to see young person's make satanic contributions on public forums as solution to some ones heart cry!! and sometimes wonder how some of us were trained .thus, to wage away from bashings of all kinds ,I try talking to individuals privately (thanks to seuns private buttons).but I still chip in (rarely though )for extremely emergency issues.

No one who believes in Jesus Christ is even supposed to go around giving what you like to refer to as "Christian" advice to everyone else. Why? Because not everything has a Kingdom-of-God scope to it. For instance, in His Gospel, Jesus Christ made very clear that your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God meaning that your "Christian" marriages, "godly" husband/wife, "Christian" home, etc., ideas have nothing to do with Him. In addition, when it comes to your issues in marriages you are to leave His name and mention out of it.

If you are truly against the satanic and not simply biased against those of probably different denominations or whatever else, start by ridden yourself of these views which are equally antichrist.

ayourbamie:
■ The man is the head of the home. Period..

Those who believe in Jesus Christ are warned by Him not to sit as head/authority/master/leader/authority... over any of the others who also believe in Him. People who go against His teachings and commands pitch their tents as enemies of God.

Kobojunkie:
No one who believes in Jesus Christ is even supposed to go around giving what you like to refer to as "Christian" advice to everyone else. Why? Because not everything has a Kingdom-of-God scope to it. For instance, in His Gospel, Jesus Christ made very clear that your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God meaning that your "Christian" marriages, "godly" husband/wife, "Christian" home, etc., ideas have nothing to do with Him. In addition, when it comes to your issues in marriages you are to leave His name and mention out of it.

If you are truly against the satanic and not simply biased against those of probably different denominations or whatever else, start by ridden yourself of these views which are equally antichrist.

there are Kingdom principles to a successful marriage sir?if marriage is of this earth what about the one that INSTITUTED IT ,IS HE OF THIS EARTH TOO ?? WVEY CHALENGE OF THIS EARTH IN THE CHRISTENDOM HAS THE KINGDOM APPROACH TO SAME.one might not need to be married to make the kingdom ,but benefits acrue to been in a Godly heavens pattern kind of marriage . God has great plan for marriage , He has his intentions and purpose ,so wether it is kingdom bound or not , there are Kingdom principles to practice so as to experience peaceful, joyful ,Gods kind of Home on earth. I just don't want to be on the wrestling arena with people with atheistic view about life ,satanic doctrinal views etc.i paddle my canoe my course

eben97:
■ there are Kingdom principles to a successful marriage sir?
■ if marriage is of this earth what about the one that INSTITUTED IT ,IS HE OF THIS EARTH TOO ?? WVEY CHALENGE OF THIS EARTH IN THE CHRISTENDOM HAS THE KINGDOM APPROACH TO SAME.
■ one might not need to be married to make the kingdom ,but benefits acrue to been in a Godly heavens pattern kind of marriage . God has great plan for marriage , He has his intentions and purpose ,so wether it is kingdom bound or not , there are Kingdom principles to practice so as to experience peaceful, joyful ,Gods kind of Home on earth. I just don't want to be on the wrestling arena with people with atheistic view about life ,satanic doctrinal views etc.i paddle my canoe my course

1. How can there exist these Kingdom principles which you claim when the King, and Law, in the Kingdom proclaimed about 2000 years ago that your marriages are of the world of men and not of the Kingdom of God?

2. After the beginning, Adam all but blamed God for his sin when he insisted that God was the one who gave Him the woman. After that, God washed His hands of marriage and made it of the world of men when He cursed marriage in Genesis 3 vs 16.

3. Open your eyes at least to see that there are no special benefits to being married here on earth. Your religious marriages are no different from the marriages between people who cling to no religious beliefs. All possible examples of successes and failures in your religious marriage circles can be found even among those who don't cling to a belief in God. God did not grant special blessings to marriages between two so-called believers any special privileges. Rather than on the married, God gave special blessings instead to those who chose to live as Eunuchs in the Kingdom of God. So, there is no such thing as a great plan for marriage where God is concerned.

There are no such things as kingdom principles as far as what you call a joyful peaceful home here on earth. We are talking here of a God who said the following to you of His mission.

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35 I have come to make this happen: ‘A son will turn against his father. A daughter will turn against her mother. A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36 Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37 “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me. - Matthew 10 vs 34 - 37

Clearly, Jesus Christ did not come that you might have a happy home, neither did He come that you might have yourself a happy marriage. He did not come to grant any many any such in His name. So it is wrong to use His name when talking of your many ideas which are all against Him.

Klass99:


The same conclusion I came to when he didn't answer. What they cannot take, tolerate or endure, is the very thing they expect a woman to take, tolerate and endure. They can't handle half of what they dish out.

A 50 year old woman woke up one day to the realization that her husband was never going to change and the domestic violence she suffered at his hands would never stop either. This was after she spent the better half of her life fasting and praying for him.

She got married in her 20s, at 25 I believe because at the time her story aired on radio the marriage was 25 years old when she decided enough was enough and she was getting a divorce. Her reality makes me extremely wary of the fast and pray advice for women.

While I believe in God and the place of prayer, there is also a place for using our God given capacity to think. My bible explains it well - when you pour out your heart to God in prayer, do not turn off your capacity to think. It goes on to say true Christianity is not thoughtless emotionalism or barren intellectualism.

I am not one to tarry needlessly in prayers and fasting for a grown man who should know better (like the gambler) or for a marriage that doesn't guarantee me a spot in heaven abeg. When e do me, I will truthfully tell the Lord I am tired and done praying about this. Let every man work out his salvation I am not a second saviour commissioned to save his life.

Great submission, I wish society would stop pressuring women to stay in toxic and unhappy marriages.
Women who leave bad marriages are shamed for not being able to keep their homes and called all sorts of degrading names that's why many women stay and tolerate nonsense.
Walahi in this part of the world, marriage is not fair to women. Society in general is not fair to women.
There was a thread not long ago on front page about some women in "association of divorced women" celebrating the entry of a new member, and people on that thread (men and some foolish women) were trying to push the narrative that those women were only divorced because they wanted to sleep around. None of the Nairalanders making those claims knew the women from anywhere, none of them knew what those women suffered in their previous marriages before they called it quits, they just wanted to run those ladies down because they had the audacity to leave their husbands.

That type of stigmatization and mockery for divorced women is why some women stay and tolerate all sorts and just keep hanging on desperately to prayers while hoping for a positive change in future.

Funny enough divorced men are not stigmatized or mocked.

Klass99:


The same conclusion I came to when he didn't answer. What they cannot take, tolerate or endure, is the very thing they expect a woman to take, tolerate and endure. They can't handle half of what they dish out.

A 50 year old woman woke up one day to the realization that her husband was never going to change and the domestic violence she suffered at his hands would never stop either. This was after she spent the better half of her life fasting and praying for him.

She got married in her 20s, at 25 I believe, because at the time her story aired on radio the marriage was 25 years old and she was 50 years old, when she decided enough is enough I am getting a divorce. Her reality makes me extremely wary of the fast and pray advice for women.

While I believe in God and the place of prayer, there is also a place for using our God given capacity to think. My bible explains it well - when you pour out your heart to God in prayer, do not turn off your capacity to think. It goes on to say true Christianity is not thoughtless emotionalism or barren intellectualism.

I am not one to tarry needlessly in prayers and fasting for a grown man who should know better (like the gambler) or for a marriage that doesn't guarantee me a spot in heaven abeg. When e do me, I will truthfully tell the Lord I am tired and done praying about this. Let every man work out his salvation I am not a second saviour commissioned to save anyone's life.

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CHoccolaTE:
How come men are never advised to pray and fast for their wives when the wives misbehave?
I am just coming from the thread about that woman whose husband keep wasting money on gambling and there are many comments there asking her to pray and fast for him.

If a woman is the one displaying lousy parenting or partnership there is usually so much castigation for her and in many cases, her husband is advices to punish or cheat on her or even divorce her.

I can't imagine a man starting a thread about how his wife leaves the house dirty all the time, doesn't cook or clean and has refused to take advice or change for the better and then that man will be adviced to pray and fast for his lousy wife.
I can't just imagine that scenario. The man will be told to send his wife packing or to get another wife.

Many people really think the verse in the Bible about husband's showing their wives love and leading with love is just there for decoration.

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Men and women ain't the same!!!!

FairlyUSEDpussy:
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Men and women ain't the same!!!!

Doesn't change the fact that as a Christian or a Muslim, you are supposed to follow your religious rules.

CHoccolaTE:


Doesn't change the fact that as a Christian or a Muslim, you are supposed to follow your religious rules.

Well.......I'm a Christian and I don't argue carnally.........."women pray for your husbands"is a commandment from God.........

I cud drop so many bible verse on that.......

Can u just pick one verse in the Bible that support husband pray for yo wives??

FairlyUSEDpussy:


Well.......I'm a Christian and I don't argue carnally.........."women pray for your husbands"is a commandment from God.........

I cud drop so many bible verse on that.......

Can u just pick one verse in the Bible that support husband pray for yo wives??

You are a Christian and you don’t know a Bible verse or an instance that supports praying for your wife.

1. Please, which Church do you attend?
2. Which Bible verses talk of praying for the husband or where this commandment was issued?
3. What is the difference between a man and a woman?

bukatyne:
Men are often advised to fast and pray for their wives. You might not just find such advice a lot on NL which gladly is not the entire universe.

Besides, most of the men prescribing the 'pray & fast' are not doing it from a religious standpoint; it is from a cultural/traditional standpoint. Such a man might most likely support male adultery/polygamy etc which tells you he is not a child of God or follower of Jesus aka Christian.

If you go to the right quarters (where Christian men gather), you would hear that advise often. You would also see men who testified to it working for them.

It is just like looking for advise to be a good investor in the casino.

i think you missed the main point

with most women whether religious or not their are advised to pray or their husbands

while on on men, it usually its those already going to church

I think the reason most men are not advised to pray and fast its becoz by nature and culture/tradition we are taught to be hand on, on the problem that waiting for god to change your sitaution

Men we approach problems from physcial point of viewing doing the work with our hands, thats the reason you find that some men end up hitting their wives, when he is overwhelmed by questions, the only answer is tranfered to physicall hitting the woman

Klass99:


I sincerely hope so. Because I recall reading the Final Quest by Rick Joyner and one of the things he said he noticed from his visions and time with Yeshua, was that The Lord's army is mostly made up of women and children.

Meaning - women and children are mostly the ones who are quick to believe, the ones standing in faith, holding on to their faith and persevering in the place of prayer, bible reading/studies, godly and good deeds etc.

That was my understanding and interpretation, though. When I vet what he said and saw in heaven, against what I see here on earth in my world and my space......Rick Joyner wasn't off point at all. Note - he didn't say there were no men, but women and children were the bulk of His army.

From a historical point of view, during Paul's era, women did not take leadership roles in synagogues or temples. But, it was common practice for women to lead house worship. I think that tradition is what has spilled down to what we have now. Men were the forerunners, but, I'm instigated to 'think' Christianity was running short of men when the collabo between the Romans and the Jews sought to eliminate Christians.

Also, it was easy to convert women than men. Women raised the kids, so, automatically, the children followed to religious gatherings.