[size=14pt]Stop Oro festival, Ikorodu residents cry[/size]
on SEPTEMBER 27, 2011 · in NEWS
     
Lagos – Residents of Ikorodu, Lagos State, on Tuesday called on the state government to stop the Oro festival in the area.

The residents in Lagos, said that the celebration hindered their movement and that it was a disincentive to the economy of the area.

The residents were reacting to the restriction of movement because of Oro celebration on Sept. 26 at Igbogbo, a town near Ikorodu.

A businesswoman, Mrs Olayemi Bamgbade, said  that she had experienced the restrictions for 15 years.

“We urge the government to put a stop to this Oro tradition. If government does not cancel it, they should restrict the event to midnight.

“We residents are at the receiving end of this saga.”

She said that the tradition was a violation of the fundamental human right of the residents.

An accountant, Mr Tony Iruah, said that the tradition was frustrating his family.

“Whenever Oro Day comes, I, my children and wife are forced to stay at home.

“Schools and business activities in the area remain suspended and paralysed,” he said.

Mrs Iyabo Olofin, the proprietor of a hair salon in Ikorodu, said that the tradition had become a source of worry for the residents and that it was unfair for the government to allow it to go on.

She said that the continued observance of the tradition by its adherents gave the impression that the country was tilting towards barbarism.

“It is so sad that in spite of the level of civilisation globally, we, in Nigeria, still condone some archaic and barbaric tradition that ought to be extinct,” she said.

A clergyman, Mr Emmanuel Obasa, said that any religious or traditional festival that infringed on people’s freedom of movement was bad and unlawful.

He said that the beliefs of people in the country should not violate the laws of the land.

“The constitution should supersede every tradition or religious activity of any town,” he said.

A banker, Mr Tunde Amodu, who resides in Ikorodu, said that some miscreants took advantage of the celebration to harass and rob innocent people.

He said that there was usually “a sense of insecurity among the people“ anytime the Oro festival was to be celebrated.

“The fact that I am a man does not even exempt me from the restriction during the festival despite the long-held belief that men can see the masquerade.

“I had to rush home before 7 p.m. to avoid being harassed and assaulted,” he said.

NAN reports that the different towns that make up Ikorodu usually hold the Oro festival on different days.

Towns such as Igbogbo, Imota and Agbowa in Ikorodu are noted for celebrating the Oro festival. (NAN)

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/stop-oro-festival-ikorodu-residents-cry/

why should they stop what was inherited from there fore fathers.Why will they call it babarism,nonsense.

Why should they stop Oro or other similar type of festivals, oro is not even a festivity, its actually an age-old custom that is observed to ward off evil presence in the locality/community. What I think the Lagos state government should do is to try as much as possible to modernize it, I don't mean removing all its core element but in terms of publicizing it prior to the days of conducting, just like they did the Eyo Festival which even has an almost similar purpose. Any Yoruba traditions or festivals shouldn't be subject to a debate of interdiction at the senate/house of assembly because it has long been existing even before the Romans civilized the Angles/Saxons i.e. the English who in turn purportedly civilized us. Lastly, anyone who disagrees saying things like "[size=4pt]It is so sad that in spite of the level of civilization globally, we, in Nigeria, still condone some archaic and barbaric tradition that ought to be extinct[/size]” should remember that the whites still somehow celebrates their head hunting past, and the Americans observe Halloween Day.

We Africans sef.

Do they complain when its Christmas,Eid festivals and celebrations?

Why is everything African dark and evil while white is pure?Don't they enforce public holidays during christian and muslim festivities and how many of them have complained?

I however,am against forcing people to stay indoors.You can do your thing,have a public holiday but by all means let others move freely,as long as they don't interfere with what you're doing.

[size=32pt]HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]


you xtians and muslims want to put a stop to EVERYTHING that has to do with tribal culture and religion.

HOW ABOUT PUT A STOP TO CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE NEGHBORS SINGING CHRISTMAS CAROLS IS DEFEANING TO MY EARS??!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR ELSE, MUSLIMS GIVING CALL FOR PRAYER 5-TIMES A DAY CAUSES NOISE POLUTION!!!!!!! [size=32pt]5-TIMES EVERY FRIGGIN DAY!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]




GODSDAMN ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO EVEN THINK OF SUCH A THREAD.

^easy now.lol

You raised solid points though,very valid.

PAGAN  9JA:

[size=32pt]HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]


you xtians and muslims want to put a stop to EVERYTHING that has to do with tribal culture and religion.

HOW ABOUT PUT A STOP TO CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE NEGHBORS SINGING CHRISTMAS CAROLS IS DEFEANING TO MY EARS??!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR ELSE, MUSLIMS GIVING CALL FOR PRAYER 5-TIMES A DAY CAUSES NOISE POLUTION!!!!!!! [size=32pt]5-TIMES EVERY FRIGGIN DAY!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]




GODSDAMN ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO EVEN THINK OF SUCH A THREAD.

Christians stopped the killing of twins and are currently fighting to abolish female genital mutilation. Should we continue practicing those cultures because Christianity abhors it?

killing of twins is a myth spread by christian missionaries about Yoruba peoples because the Yorubas were well-known to hold their twins in high-esteem and also pamper them to a large extent. I even explained this whole issue in a thread.

and core mutilation has nothing to do with tribal religions. in fact, the muslims started all this circumcision practices which spread on to other communities.

as for Oro festival, it dont cause harm to anybody.


and i don think i need to relate the history of the spread of christianity to you. we all know what you peaceful and loving people have done in the past in order to gain converts.

PAGAN  9JA:

killing of twins is a myth spread by christian missionaries about Yoruba peoples because the Yorubas were well-known to hold their twins in high-esteem and also pamper them to a large extent. I even explained this whole issue in a thread.

and core mutilation has nothing to do with tribal religions. in fact, the muslims started all this circumcision practices which spread on to other communities.

as for Oro festival, it dont cause harm to anybody.


and i don think i need to relate the history of the spread of christianity to you. we all know what you peaceful and loving people have done in the past in order to gain converts.

It doesn't matter who started female genital mutilation but it cuts across all ethnic groups in Nigeria and must be stopped. Oro festival on the other hand should be scrapped if Ikorodu residents are robbed, raped and harassed by hoodlums who use that opportunity to unleash terror on innocent women. Will you still support Oro if your mother is harassed by them?.

so punish the miscreants!!!!!! this is a law-and-order situation and has nothing to do with the outright banning of traditional festivals.

as for core mutilations, I too am against it. its an evil practice and must be banned.

PAGAN  9JA:

so punish the miscreants!!!!!! this is a law-and-order situation and has nothing to do with the outright banning of traditional festivals.

as for core mutilations, I too am against it. its an evil practice and must be banned.

Is FGM not part of the culture you defend?. We are against it now because it is very unhealthy for women and same with Oro festival because women get raaped by miscreants using Oro as excuse.

aloy/emeka:

Is FGM not part of the culture you defend?. We are against it now because it is very unhealthy for women and same with Oro festival because women get raaped by miscreants using Oro as excuse.

NO IT IS NOT. it is not a religious practice. it is just due to bad influence and must be erradicated.


give me proof that women are raped during Oro because im sick and tired of hearing such bad rumours spred by you xtians. also if this true as i said before, in such case, the police must be deployed. this has nothing to do with this cultural festival. and what if tomorrow you will find men dressed as santa claus forcing entry into peoples homes and raping their women as chrismas gift WHAT THEN SHALL WE BANN CHRISMAS


*foolish thread.

PAGAN  9JA:

NO IT IS NOT. it is not a religious practice. it is just due to bad influence and must be erradicated.


give me proof that women are violated during Oro because im sick and tired of hearing such bad rumours spred by you xtians. also if this true as i said before, in such case, the police must be deployed. this has nothing to do with this cultural festival. and[b] what if tomorrow you will find men dressed as santa claus forcing entry into peoples homes and Desecrating their women as chrismas gift WHAT THEN SHALL WE BANN CHRISMAS [/b]


*foolish thread.

When women feel unsafe while running their daily errands due to any type of festival, it will be adamant to let that culture continue to run its course because it show gross insensitivity by the custodians. People are also killed during ORO festival and I am sure that is not enough proof for you to initiate a ban for that barbaric culture.

Nigeria: Oro festival including the role of the Oro priest and whether, or not, he or she is masked; whether there are any penalties invoked against those who observe the priest performing his rituals


The Oro festival is a traditional annual Yoruba event that is normally observed in July (Tempo 11 Aug. 1999; Lycos Destination Guide n.d.). The festival lasts several days and for its duration women, and others who are not participating, are expected to stay indoors (BBC 19 July 1999; AFP 19 July 1999; Tempo 11 Aug. 1999). Several sources have commented on different aspects of the event. AFP reported that "by tradition, the Yoruba leaders ask people not connected with the event to stay at home during which a masquerade parades through the streets of towns at night" (19 July 1999). PANA referred to "an age-old Yoruba belief that Oro must never be seen by a woman" (19 July 1999). The Lois E. Woods Museum reported that a double mask is "worn among the Yoruba in connection with rites or dances of secret societies, chiefly those of Egungun and/or Oro" (n.d.). The chairman of the Arewa council of chiefs said that "the Yorubas have been celebrating the Oro festivals for more than 56 years" (Post Express 1 Aug. 1999). BBC commented:

Yorubas nowadays may be practising Christians or Muslims, but there are still shrines to the old gods scattered around the countryside, and traditional festivals - like the festival of the Oro cult , are still celebrated and still taken extremely seriously.

As in many west African cults of this kind, women and outsiders are forbidden to look on its masked figures (19 July 1999).

In mid-July 1999 a clash between Yorubas and Hausas was reported to have been sparked by Yorubas killing a Hausa woman who was outside of her home at night during the Oro festival (AFP 19 July 1999; PANA 19 July 1999; Post Express 22 July 1999). AFP reported that "at least 66 people were killed" in Sagamu, a town about 80 kilometres northeast of Lagos (19 July 1999). PANA reported at least 50 people killed and that "the Yorubas alleged that a Hausa woman had offended the local tradition by coming out Saturday night during a Yoruba 'Oro' festival. , One version of the story said the angry Oro adherents reportedly attacked the woman, and her Hausa community members retaliated, resulting in the deaths and destruction of property" (19 July 1999). BBC wrote that she was reportedly killed "after seeing the night-time procession" (19 July 1999). Post Express reported that "trouble started July 17 , when some celebrating Yoruba youths allegedly killed a Hausa woman who was said to have violated the 'stay-at-home order' during the annual Oro festival. In a flury of anger, the resultant attacks led to the killing of more Hausas by the Yorubas" (27 July 1999). IRIN reported that "the conflict erupted because Yoruba people said the Hausa community had refused to obey the traditional rule which requires non-participants in the festival to stay off the streets" (23 July 1999). The Economist reported that "more than 60 people" had died and

the killing last week in Sagamu was started by the decision of the dominant Yorubas to take their traditional night-time religious parade, or masquerade, the Oro, through the Hausa area of town for the first time in nine years, and by the refusal of the Hausas to honour what the Yorubas insisted was their tradition of staying off the streets while it was passing (31 July 1999).

An article on the World Socialist Web Site states:

The conflict seems to have been sparked off after several days of a traditional Yoruba festival, the Oro. Traditionally those not involved in the festival are requested to stay off the street. Yoruba people spoke to a BBC reporter and said that the Hausas had not respected this tradition. The Hausas said they had been attacked indiscriminately (17 Aug. 1999)

Dr. Frederick Fasehun, leader of the Yoruba Oodua People's Congress (OPC), stated:

In Sagamu, you know that the traditional Oro festival was going on when a woman, a guest among the Yoruba, violated the tenets of the Oro festival. When the Oro festival is on, no woman of any nationality should behold the Oro. Be such woman an Italian, English, American, South African or Yoruba, no woman should behold Oro with her naked eyes. The penalty for such violation is death, no matter who the woman is. That was what happened in Sagamu (Tempo 10 Nov. 1999).

In additional information from this newspaper:

TempoLife gathered that it was the failure to respect the hours of worship or to restrict the fetish to the sacred grooves that led to the clash between a section of the Hausa community and oro cultists in Sagamu last month. In a chat with the magazine in Abeokuta, Ogun State, Taiwo Oloyede, a traditional healer, said the Sagamu tragedy could not have been the hand work of serious oro people since the Hausa woman allegedly killed by oro people did not vanish and her body was found. A ki i ri ajeku oro, he said, meaning that if it were real oro people, her body would not have been found. "It was a mere case of murder," he posited.

In the alternative, he said, if the woman had seen oro and that the oro contained the magical powers, she would have died a "natural" death without anybody touching her.

The alleged death of non-members who see the fetish or are caught by its followers is where the cult comes under severe criticism. The "fundamentalists" among Moslems and Christians see it as an abominable system which "believers" must run away from. But even among the believers, opinions are divided. Engineer Taye Ajibola is a devout moslem living in Niger Republic; whenever it is time to celebrate oro in Yewaland, he comes back home to take part. He argued that oro is not a pagan practice but a way of gathering the members of the community and giving them a sense of purpose. On the killing of women who get caught in the oro process, the engineer who, as a child, used to stay away from oro festivals said, "a game must be played according to its rules!"

Similarly, Shuaibu Yekeen, a Moslem cleric in Lagos who sends his sons home to get initiated each time they come of age, said all is just fun. More importantly, he claimed, before sending his first son, he had sought God's advice on the compatibility of oro with Islam and the owner of the religion (i.e. Allah) had given him the go-ahead. True?

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/docid/3df4be794.html

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I am Haussa and I didnt know about these rules that non Yoruba cant take part or witness Oro.

If this is the case, then other community members must show sensitivity to the beliefs of the Yoruba peoples. When Oro occurs, the police must be present to prevent non-Yoruba peoples from violating the rules of Oro. that is all it takes to prevent such conflicts in the future.

it is not that Oro happens everyday! it takes place just once a year.

They should not be allowed to foist their barbaric behaviour on other people. Murder is a crime in nigeria and if you kill a woman who sees Oro, that is Murder and such a person should be made to die in prison for that.

if they wont desist then they should forget about it.

Arrant nonsense.

*wat å primitive way of thinking*

^^^''

I am Haussa and I didnt know about these rules that non Yoruba cant take part or witness Oro.

If this is the case, then other community members must show sensitivity to the beliefs of the Yoruba peoples. When Oro occurs, the police must be present to prevent non-Yoruba peoples from violating the rules of Oro. that is all it takes to prevent such conflicts in the future.

it is not that Oro happens everyday! it takes place just once a year.

Just like the police telling you to endure armed robbers after all, it's not as if armed robbery happens everyday in your home, it will probably be once in 3 years.

@aloy/emeka
You have no fu.ckin.g point with those reports you referenced, how i wish we met face2face and tell me Óró should be banned and I would convince you why it shouldn't. Any non-Yoruba or Yoruba converts lacking sufficient knowlegde in Yoruba cultural education shouldn't start shouting 'ban Óró', first of all you are an igbo person and its a fact that your tribes are 99.99% chrisians who have lost tremendous touch with their ancestral culture, so you or the Nigerian govt. have no fuck1n right to start condemning one of the most important of hundreds of Yoruba rites because firstly its very glaring both of you don't understand this Óró thingy, I dont know about it deeply but as a true 'omo ile ka ro ojire' I not only understand how important it is, i also revere it more than Luke, Solomon, Jesus or Mohamed himself, before Óró is observed it is usually announced a week or 2 before it is conducted and as a rite whose rules every Yoruba women and non-Yoruba women clearly understand and normally take heed to, why must it be 1 Hausa/Fulani woman that chose to defy it ? It simply because she was told to do so by Yoruba-traditionalists-haters (jihadists)in other rubbish the age-old rite, I tend to believe that, that Shagamu incident was instigated by northern Hausa/Fulani jihadists knowing very well the consequences of any woman encountering Óró procession, they instructed her to play a suicidal role (extremist islamists who can strap bombs to kill infidels/heathens/kaferis just to f*** thousands of virgins in paradise). Well, they had it coming sha. Óró happens very late after midnight and why would my wife or daughter or mother be coming home very late at such hours or going out very late in the night, if she can't hold her pee, let her pee in a bucket, she should sleep anywhere if she knows she can make it home from work ASAP, if any of them encounter Óró let Óró do whatever it does for violators, there's a Yoruba saying that says even if a Yoruba King's wife i.e. Iyawo Oba sees Óró, Óró à gbé. Again Óró isn't a barbaric practice, its a supernatural procession that cleanses the community off evil and malevolent spirits that lurks around, its wards off unplacated wicked souls/spirits that causes mysterious deaths by accidents, sicknesses, etc. . .I'm not an authority in Óró rites, but am sure its purpose is more deeper and broader than what I presently know, and whether it's effective or not is not my concern. Its older than me or Nigeria itself and if I'm residing in a remote town/village in any Scandinavian countries I have no option than to comply to their rules whenever they starts their own Óró otherwise I get the Zap. out of their land, they never forced me to migrate. May Óró entities deal with all those who are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Yorubas and Igbo people up north since the 60s, be it Hausa/Fulanis jihadists/religionists or any of their supporters May Óró, Shángò and Ògún kill them all. Àshé.

ghostofsparta:

@aloy/emeka
You have no fu.ckin.g point with those reports you referenced, how i wish we met face2face and tell me Óró should be banned and I would convince you why it shouldn't. Any non-Yoruba or Yoruba converts lacking sufficient knowlegde in Yoruba cultural education shouldn't start shouting 'ban Óró', first of all you are an igbo person and its a fact that your tribes are 99.99% chrisians who have lost tremendous touch with their ancestral culture, so you or the Nigerian govt. have no fuck1n right to start condemning one of the most important of hundreds of Yoruba rites because firstly its very glaring both of you don't understand this Óró thingy, I dont know about it deeply but as a true 'omo ile ka ro ojire' I not only understand how important it is, i also revere it more than Luke, Solomon, Jesus or Mohamed himself, before Óró is observed it is usually announced a week or 2 before it is conducted and as a rite whose rules every Yoruba women and non-Yoruba women clearly understand and normally take heed to, why must it be 1 Hausa/Fulani woman that chose to defy it ? It simply because she was told to do so by Yoruba-traditionalists-haters (jihadists)in other rubbish the age-old rite, I tend to believe that, that Shagamu incident was instigated by northern Hausa/Fulani jihadists knowing very well the consequences of any woman encountering Óró procession, they instructed her to play a suicidal role (extremist islamists who can strap bombs to kill infidels/heathens/kaferis just to f*** thousands of virgins in paradise). Well, they had it coming sha. Óró happens very late after midnight and why would my wife or daughter or mother be coming home very late at such hours or going out very late in the night, if she can't hold her pee, let her pee in a bucket, she should sleep anywhere if she knows she can make it home from work ASAP, if any of them encounter Óró let Óró do whatever it does for violators, there's a Yoruba saying that says even if a Yoruba King's wife i.e. Iyawo Oba sees Óró, Óró à gbé. Again Óró isn't a barbaric practice, its a supernatural procession that cleanses the community off evil and malevolent spirits that lurks around, its wards off unplacated wicked souls/spirits that causes mysterious deaths by accidents, sicknesses, etc. . .I'm not an authority in Óró rites, but am sure its purpose is more deeper and broader than what I presently know, and whether it's effective or not is not my concern. Its older than me or Nigeria itself and if I'm residing in a remote town/village in any Scandinavian countries I have no option than to comply to their rules whenever they starts their own Óró otherwise I get the Zap. out of their land, they never forced me to migrate. May Óró entities deal with all those who are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Yorubas and Igbo people up north since the 60s, be it Hausa/Fulanis jihadists/religionists or any of their supporters May Óró, Shángò and Ògún kill them all. Àshé.

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[size=32pt]HEAR!!!!!!! HEAR!!!!!!!! THE GODS BLESS YOU BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!![/size]


spoke the truth and like a true YORUBA.

ghostofsparta:

@aloy/emeka
You have no fu.ckin.g point with those reports you referenced, how i wish we met face2face and tell me Óró should be banned and I would convince you why it shouldn't. Any non-Yoruba or Yoruba converts lacking sufficient knowlegde in Yoruba cultural education shouldn't start shouting 'ban Óró', first of all you are an igbo person and its a fact that your tribes are 99.99% chrisians who have lost tremendous touch with their ancestral culture, so you or the Nigerian govt. have no fuck1n right to start condemning one of the most important of hundreds of Yoruba rites because firstly its very glaring both of you don't understand this Óró thingy, I dont know about it deeply but as a true 'omo ile ka ro ojire' I not only understand how important it is, i also revere it more than Luke, Solomon, Jesus or Mohamed himself, before Óró is observed it is usually announced a week or 2 before it is conducted and as a rite whose rules every Yoruba women and non-Yoruba women clearly understand and normally take heed to, why must it be 1 Hausa/Fulani woman that chose to defy it ? It simply because she was told to do so by Yoruba-traditionalists-haters (jihadists)in other rubbish the age-old rite, I tend to believe that, that Shagamu incident was instigated by northern Hausa/Fulani jihadists knowing very well the consequences of any woman encountering Óró procession, they instructed her to play a suicidal role (extremist islamists who can strap bombs to kill infidels/heathens/kaferis just to f*** thousands of virgins in paradise). Well, they had it coming sha. Óró happens very late after midnight and why would my wife or daughter or mother be coming home very late at such hours or going out very late in the night, if she can't hold her pee, let her pee in a bucket, she should sleep anywhere if she knows she can make it home from work ASAP, if any of them encounter Óró let Óró do whatever it does for violators, there's a Yoruba saying that says even if a Yoruba King's wife i.e. Iyawo Oba sees Óró, Óró à gbé. Again Óró isn't a barbaric practice, its a supernatural procession that cleanses the community off evil and malevolent spirits that lurks around, its wards off unplacated wicked souls/spirits that causes mysterious deaths by accidents, sicknesses, etc. . .I'm not an authority in Óró rites, but am sure its purpose is more deeper and broader than what I presently know, and whether it's effective or not is not my concern. Its older than me or Nigeria itself and if I'm residing in a remote town/village in any Scandinavian countries I have no option than to comply to their rules whenever they starts their own Óró otherwise I get the Zap. out of their land, they never forced me to migrate. May Óró entities deal with all those who are responsible for the thousands of deaths of Yorubas and Igbo people up north since the 60s, be it Hausa/Fulanis jihadists/religionists or any of their supporters May Óró, Shángò and Ògún kill them all. Àshé.

We are a nation with laws and those laws forbid the killing of humans, male or female, for sport, faith or passion. they forbid killing for ANY reason. therefore irrespective of your personal spritual affiliation, you are not PERMITTED to kill people simply beause your religion says so. SUCH PEOPLE DESERVE THE FIRING SQUAD.


This is the 21st century dude, yorubas dont have to kill women to be true yoruba. I am one and I dont believe in killing women just to satisfy some SLLY age-old Dark Age tradition.

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shut up fool and go back to your oyinbo religion.^Ifa/Orisha does not condone senseless killing of peoples and animals.

kodewrita:

We are a nation with laws and those laws forbid the killing of humans, male or female, for sport, faith or passion. they forbid killing for ANY reason. therefore irrespective of your personal spritual affiliation, you are not PERMITTED to kill people simply beause your religion says so. SUCH PEOPLE DESERVE THE FIRING SQUAD.


This is the 21st century dude, yorubas dont have to kill women to be true yoruba. I am one and I dont believe in killing women just to satisfy some SLLY age-old Dark Age tradition.

Who are the 'we' inside a nation with laws, laws that forbid killings of humans male of female, and yet has the highest rate of extra-judicial killings reported and unreported, kodewrita has that law protected thousands of southerners killed up north since the 60s, human abattoirs disguised as state such as Jos, Bauchi, Borno, Kano, Kaduna, Zamfara where Yoruba and Igbos are been slaughtered like animals year in, year out, come on think before you type

kodewrita:

We are a nation with laws and those[b] laws forbid the killing of humans, male or female, for sport, faith or passion. they forbid killing for ANY reason.[/b]  therefore irrespective of your personal spritual affiliation, you are not PERMITTED to kill people simply beause your religion says so. SUCH PEOPLE DESERVE THE FIRING SQUAD.


This is the 21st century dude, yorubas dont have to kill women to be true yoruba. I am one and I dont believe in killing women just to satisfy some SLLY age-old Dark Age tradition.

Gold bless you.

PAGAN  9JA:

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^Ifa/Orisha does not condone senseless killing of peoples and animals.

I cannot believe i'm actually having to respond to a topic of this gravity. This is it!

Most of us Africans suffer from religious psychosis. Some of us are so blinded with lies and deception from foreign doctrines that we cannot see straight.


The BIBLE & QURAN are both frauds. They both contain stories that have been fabricated and or copied from other mythologies.

Infact in my opinion i think i'm accurate in saying that the bible and the quran are nothing more than relative books that reflects the personnal desires of some of the most mentally twisted and sadistic rulers in history.

A word is enough for the wise.

Do NOT throw your heritage away because of a manufactured lie that was meant as a psychological weapon against us.


Most of the stories in either the bible or the quran are representsations of other more older myths, plagiarized to suit the mood of a particular  peoples.

Let me give you quick examples

Adam and Eve in the garden: This was derived from an ancient sumerian myth about  Enki & Ninti. Please go and check this.

Jesus or Isa: This character was derived from atleast five different characters i.e Budha, Osiris, Horus, Krishna,  They share similarities as in twelve disciples, walk on water, immaculate birth,  resurrection e.t.c

Wake uP!


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HEAR!!!!!!! HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!

also the Pagan Sumerians had a remote concept of evolution. this was discussed in a thread in the religious section before. but the christians plagarised it and cut off the evolution bits, leaving only the parts that suited their beliefs. this is because christians cant stand the Fact of animals being equals to humands, a fact, we Pagans new and respected.

PAGAN  9JA:

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HEAR!!!!!!! HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!

also the Pagan Sumerians had a remote concept of evolution. this was discussed in a thread in the religious section before. but the christians plagarised it and cut off the evolution bits, leaving only the parts that suited their beliefs. this is because christians cant stand the Fact of animals being equals to humands, a fact, we Pagans new and respected.

hey, shut up.

what concerns you with yoruba matter.

kindly be on your way plz.

tpia@:

hey, shut up.

what concerns you with yoruba matter.

kindly be on your way plz.

hey you shut up.

this concerns my religious group and is a mutual affarir for the protection of tribal beliefs and culture.

who are you to spreak for the Yoruba Tribe, when you curse its beliefs and it culture and follow white man religion. [size=16pt]YOU ARE TRAITOR[/size].

Amujale:

I cannot believe i'm actually having to respond to a topic of this gravity. This is it!

Most of us Africans suffer from religious psychosis. Some of us are so blinded with lies and deception from foreign doctrines that we cannot see straight.


The BIBLE & QURAN are both frauds. They both contain stories that have been fabricated and or copied from other mythologies.

Infact in my opinion i think i'm accurate in saying that the bible and the quran are nothing more than relative books that reflects the personnal desires of some of the most mentally twisted and sadistic rulers in history.

A word is enough for the wise.

Do NOT throw your heritage away because of a manufactured lie that was meant as a psychological weapon against us.


Most of the stories in either the bible or the quran are representsations of other more older myths, plagiarized to suit the mood of a particular  peoples.

Let me give you quick examples

Adam and Eve in the garden: This was derived from an ancient sumerian myth about  Enki & Ninti. Please go and check this.

Jesus or Isa: This character was derived from atleast five different characters i.e Budha, Osiris, Horus, Krishna,  They share similarities as in twelve disciples, walk on water, immaculate birth,  resurrection e.t.c

Watch the videos below and research some more. Please WAKE-UP!


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[size=20pt]YOU ARE SO DAMN CORRECT, AND IN FACT WHAT MAKES OUR SO CALLED 'TRADITIONAL RELIGION' UNIQUE IS THAT ALL IT SUPERNATURAL CLAIMS CAN BE DEMONSTRATED AND PROVEN WHEREAS THOSE OF THE SEMITIC RELIGIONS TILL TOMORROW CAN'T BE PROVEN EXCEPT FOR DELUDED PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN 0+NOTHING=MIRACLE, ANGELS, HEAVEN AND HELL[/size]

[size=32pt]TRUE THAT^^^^[/size]

We Pagan gave birth to """SCIENCE"". Infact the xtians used to persecute us for saying that the Earth revolves around the Sun. The xtians claimed that the Sun and all other planets revolved around the Earth. what a sore bunch of losers.

ghostofsparta:

[size=20pt]YOU ARE SO DAMN CORRECT, AND IN FACT WHAT MAKES OUR SO CALLED 'TRADITIONAL RELIGION' UNIQUE IS THAT ALL IT SUPERNATURAL CLAIMS [b]CAN BE DEMONSTRATED AND PROVEN WHEREAS THOSE OF THE SEMITIC RELIGIONS TILL TOMORROW CAN'T BE PROVEN EXCEPT FOR DELUDED PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN 0+NOTHING=MIRACLE, ANGELS, HEAVEN AND HELL[/b][/size]

Do you have proof that Oduduwa fell from heaven?

aloy/emeka:

Do you have proof that Oduduwa fell from heaven?

you are asking such a vague question. These are part of Yoruba traditions, most of which are largely symbolic. they say something but mean something else, just like most other Pagan religions OR they might mean what they say. It is how the supernatural revealed itself to each and every other tribe/ethnic group around the world, thereby signifying sparate traditions, each with a similar common underlying meaning. what does it matter whether Oduduwa fell from the heavens/skies, or was born on the Earth he is still identified and symbolises as the sole authority on leadership and ruler of the Yoruba society.