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Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:37pm On Oct 20, 2011
zataxs:

@OLAADEGBU well unfortunately for you it is , and is verifiable, like science. very unlike your fairy tales,

There are three things here.  The Bible, Science and then evolution.  The Bible is what I call the Truth Book because it states the truth.  Science, especially observational science verifies the truth stated in the Bible.  Evolution, especially the molecule to man evolution does not have a leg to stand on.

What does the Truth Book say about living organisms?  Through the application of science we can confirm that the Truth Book is true.  In the Truth Book we are told that animals, birds, fish and plants were created after their own kind and this is exactly what we observe today, we observe dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, goats produce goats, sheep produce sheep and so on.  We do not observe the molecule to man evolution today.  We do not observe a dog producing cats or half dog and half cat that we can call 'dats' or 'cogs' today, frogs don't produce oysters and tortoise doesnt produce crayfish.  We can also confirm many other aspects of the Truth Book's history in other areas of science such as geology and astronomy.

zataxs:
 
The same methodology that brought you medicine, the internet, is used in all facets of science.

Observational science brought us medicine and information technology, evolution is not necessary to understanding how these things work.

zataxs:

And the same methodology that brought you machetes on muslims faces in Nigeria, the crusade, the inquisition is the same one you are using to right now.

Why didn't you extend the list to include the masacre committed by the communists and marxists.

zataxs:

Why don't pray for your God to create a computer, let's see how far that will go

A building of a computer is an evidence of intelligent creation design and not of randomness and chance.
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:08am On Oct 23, 2011
zataxs:

Maybe what you need is a lesson on how to use google.

"There are some questions that can't be answered by google"
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by zataxs: 12:07pm On Oct 23, 2011
@OLAADEGBU
Maybe what you mean, is that you find the answers unsatisfactory right? After researching using oogle/bing/yahoo/ask/wikipedia/encarta/brittanica etc

So the question is, what do you?

A. continue researching and asking
B. take in what some dimwitted barbaric men as the answer

When I said you needed a lesson in Google. I meant that If you have done some research on the matter you either
A. disregarded everything you learnt about evolution. Maybe the content was too complex.
B. did not understand
C. read it understood it and did not agree with it.
D. None of the above - Did not research in the first place

By reading your replies you either did A or D. My suggestion is to be at least at B or C. That way we have a progression in the right direction. It makes sense to refuse something you know and know why you are refusing it.
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Nobody: 12:16pm On Oct 23, 2011
OLAADEGBU:

"There are some questions that can't be answered by google"

grin grin

Some people think Google is the answer to all the questions in the world !
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by zataxs: 5:06pm On Oct 23, 2011
@frosbel some people turn to magic when they get challenges in the real world
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Nobody: 5:14pm On Oct 23, 2011
zataxs:

@frosbel some people turn to magic when they get challenges in the real world


I know  , like Google !!    grin

Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Kay17: 5:19pm On Oct 23, 2011
If some scientists believe in God, does that mean the claim God exists is falsifiable?
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:42pm On Oct 23, 2011
frosbel:

grin grin

Some people think Google is the answer to all the questions in the world !

Some of them even use Google to do their thesis/research work. undecided
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:09pm On Oct 23, 2011
Kay 17:

If some scientists believe in God, does that mean the claim God exists is falsifiable?

No.  It only means that they are being consistent with their beliefs.  This is how scientists who believe in God explains it:

Most fields of science were developed by men who believed the Bible, such as Isaac Newton (dynamics, gravitation, calculus), Michael Faraday (electromagnetics, field theory), Robert Boyle (chemistry), Johannes Kepler (astronomy), and Louis Pasteur (bacteriology, immunization).  Francis Bacon, a Bible-believing Christian who developed the scientific method.

The reason such fields of science developed was the belief that God created the universe and that He instituted laws that we could investigate.  Even today, many great scientists believe the Bible and use good observational science on a daily basis.

Even logic flows naturally from a biblical worldview.  Since we are created in the image of a logical God, we would expect to have logical faculties.  However, logic is not a material entity, so it becomes a problem for the materialist atheist who denies the immaterial realm.  From a materialistic perspective, a logical thought is the same as an illogical thought, it is merely a chemical reaction in the brain.  From a materialistic point of view, then, the perception of logic is due to random processes and has nothing to do with absolute truth, which is also immaterial.

So in a biblical worldview, logic exists and so does truth, both of which are immaterial.  But in a purely materialistic worldview, there is no basis for logic or truth to exist, since they are immaterial.  And if our brains are the result of random mutations and natural selection, how do we know that our brains have evolved in a way that allows us to think and reason according to truth?

To state that logic can yield a truthful result means that absolute truth must exist, hence God.  This does not mean that atheists and evolutionists cannot use logic or do science.  But when they do, they must borrow from the above Christian principles, an action which is not consistent with their professed worldview. Click here for more
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Nobody: 7:42pm On Oct 23, 2011
OLAADEGBU:

Some of them even use Google to do their thesis/research work. undecided

Are you people just against anything progressive?? What is wrong with using google  as a search engine or to supplement research work??

Now the battle is against search engines, I bet y'all would rather have  lived in middle ages Europe when the Church was the source of all knowledge.

If a child asks you to explain the process by which energy and light is created in the sun, do you tell the child to use google or your bible?
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:48pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

Are you people just against anything progressive?? What is wrong with using google as a search engine or to supplement research work??

Now the battle is against search engines, I bet y'all would rather have lived in middle ages Europe when the Church was the source of all knowledge.

There is nothing wrong in using Google, it is just that : "There are some questions that can't be answered by Google"
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Nobody: 7:52pm On Oct 23, 2011
OLAADEGBU:

There is nothing wrong in using Google, it is just that : "There are some questions that can't be answered by Google"

Still quoting from ICR?

Besides google doesn't answer questions, it's like a virtual library where you find information. It seems you just don't like the amount of information google is capable of coming up with because they contradict your views. Since you can't do anything about it, you demonize it.
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:56pm On Oct 23, 2011
Martian:

Still quoting from ICR?

Besides google doesn't answer questions, it's like a virtual library where you find information. It seems you just don't like the amount of information google is capable of coming up with because they contradict your views. Since you can't do anything about it, you demonize it.

You are wrong on both counts. I didn't quote from ICR and I didn't say that google doesn't answer questions, all I said is that:

"There are some questions that can't be answered by Google"
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by Kay17: 9:34pm On Oct 23, 2011
OLAADEGBU:

No.  It only means that they are being consistent with their beliefs.  This is how scientists who believe in God explains it:

Most fields of science were developed by men who believed the Bible, such as Isaac Newton (dynamics, gravitation, calculus), Michael Faraday (electromagnetics, field theory), Robert Boyle (chemistry), Johannes Kepler (astronomy), and Louis Pasteur (bacteriology, immunization).  Francis Bacon, a Bible-believing Christian who developed the scientific method.

The reason such fields of science developed was the belief that God created the universe and that He instituted laws that we could investigate.  Even today, many great scientists believe the Bible and use good observational science on a daily basis.

Even logic flows naturally from a biblical worldview.  Since we are created in the image of a logical God, we would expect to have logical faculties.  However, logic is not a material entity, so it becomes a problem for the materialist atheist who denies the immaterial realm.  From a materialistic perspective, a logical thought is the same as an illogical thought, it is merely a chemical reaction in the brain.  From a materialistic point of view, then, the perception of logic is due to random processes and has nothing to do with absolute truth, which is also immaterial.

So in a biblical worldview, logic exists and so does truth, both of which are immaterial.  But in a purely materialistic worldview, there is no basis for logic or truth to exist, since they are immaterial.  And if our brains are the result of random mutations and natural selection, how do we know that our brains have evolved in a way that allows us to think and reason according to truth?

To state that logic can yield a truthful result means that absolute truth must exist, hence God.  This does not mean that atheists and evolutionists cannot use logic or do science.  But when they do, they must borrow from the above Christian principles, an action which is not consistent with their professed worldview.  Click here for more

You insist your God is a supernatural being (whatever it means) which runs contrary to the foundational assumptions of science, that all causes are natural. i wonder how you managed to squeeze scientific explanations out of the bible and religious phenomena.

Also, logic and faith are incompatible. If you were using logic, you wouldn't have the certainty to say Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Re: Famous Scientists Who Believed In God by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:03pm On Oct 24, 2011
Kay 17:

You insist your God is a supernatural being (whatever it means) which runs contrary to the foundational assumptions of science, that all causes are natural. i wonder how you managed to squeeze scientific explanations out of the bible and religious phenomena.

God is a Spirit and we can only worship Him in spirit and in truth.  God created everything in the universe and instituted laws for scientists to investigate.  Scientists can only investigate these things through observational science and they don't state that all causes are natural.  I have stated earlier on this thread the scientific evidence that demands a Creator God which brought back to the first verse on the book of Genesis.

Kay 17:

Also, logic and faith are incompatible. If you were using logic, you wouldn't have the certainty to say Jesus resurrected from the dead.

Your notion of logic versus faith is a false dichotomy.  Logic is not antagonistic to faith but rather, biblical faith and logic go well together.  Faith is having confidence in something we have not perceived with our physical senses.  You believe in laws of logic but you must admit that the laws of logic are abstract, that is, they are immaterial and cannot be experienced by our physical senses.  When you use laws of logic you have confidence in what you cannot actually observe with your senses, this is a type of faith even though you may not be aware of it. 

What gives you the presumption that gravity will work tomorrow as it does today?  Faith.  Unless you what to tell us that you have observed the future.  With this we can conclude that we all believe something that is beyond our sensory experience.  A scientist who is a Christian, has a reasonable belief that God has promised us that He would uphold the universe in a consistent way and thereby, he has good reasons for his faith in the uniformity of nature.  For the consistent scientists who believes in God, faith and logic go well together.

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