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How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 10:14am On Jul 11, 2023
Caveat: This is NOT to incite, just to point out what I see as self-subjugation.

When southerners are presidents, their NSA (a very plum position that's almost equal to the position of a VP), is always a northerner:
Earnest Shonekan (S) — Ismaila Gwarzo (N)
Obasanjo (S) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Jonathan (S) — Andrew Azazi (S - 2 years), Sambo Dasuki (N - 3 years)
Tinubu (S) — Ribadu (N)
But during the tenure of a northern Head of State or President, he'll always choose a fellow northerner:
IBB (N) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Abacha (N) — Ismaila Gwarzo (N)
Abdulsalam (N) — Abdullahi Mohammed (N)
Yar'Adua (N) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Buhari (N) — Babagana Monguno (N)

We all know that all over the world, the position of defense and security appointments are a hotcake. When the southerners keep on showing the north that they are the only ones qualified to handle security/defence matter, do they have the right to turn around and accuse the north of playing kingmaker?

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 10:22am On Jul 11, 2023
If you also check who the defence ministers are during these administrations, they are also northerners. And instead of them to reciprocate the gesture during their own time, they trample on that and bring their fellow brothers to run the show.

The southerners are enslaving themselves, even without the input of the northerners. They have no blame.

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by 24SEVEN: 10:41am On Jul 11, 2023
The Op who has created this thread to complain, is the only one that knows what is bothering him.

What matters to the masses (both in Southern and Northern Nigeria) is liveability.

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 11:00am On Jul 11, 2023
24SEVEN:
The Op who has created this thread to complain, is the only one that knows what is bothering him.

What matters to the masses (both in Southern and Northern Nigeria) is liveability.
Liveability is not all that there's in a country. If it's, how come some people in wealthy countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, China, Hong Kong clamor, protest and even die for democracy, despite the fact that almost everyone is living in prosperity??

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by BabaRamota1980: 11:13am On Jul 11, 2023
OP,
These are very valid points.

Along with your points on security/defense, FCT minister.

I think in the background of endorsements for candidates and competition to be President, Northerners negotiate certain positions in return for support and votes. Positions that are critical for their survival in the contract for nationhood.

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by Flathead8: 11:16am On Jul 11, 2023
A northerner is still heading EFCC and DSS
RenaissanceGuy:
Caveat: This is NOT to incite, just to point out what I see as self-subjugation.

When southerners are presidents, their NSA (a very plum position that's almost equal to the position of a VP), is always a northerner:
Earnest Shonekan (S) — Ismaila Gwarzo (N)
Obasanjo (S) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Jonathan (S) — Andrew Azazi (S - 2 years), Sambo Dasuki (N - 3 years)
Tinubu (S) — Ribadu (N)
But during the tenure of a northern Head of State or President, he'll always choose a fellow northerner:
IBB (N) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Abacha (N) — Ismaila Gwarzo (N)
Abdulsalam (N) — Abdullahi Mohammed (N)
Yar'Adua (N) — Aliyu Mohammed Gusau (N)
Buhari (N) — Babagana Monguno (N)

We all know that all over the world, the position of defense and security appointments are a hotcake. When the southerners keep on showing the north that they are the only ones qualified to handle security/defence matter, do they have the right to turn around and accuse the north of playing kingmaker?

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by 24SEVEN: 11:21am On Jul 11, 2023
RenaissanceGuy:
Liveability is not all that there's in a country. If it's, how come some people in wealthy countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, China, Hong Kong clamor for democracy, despite the fact that almost everyone is living in prosperity??

Of what concern at this point in time, is the office of the NSA to hungry Nigerians. Tinubu came into power and the fuel price is on its way to N700 per litre, the exchange rate is has been N1,008 to £1, inflation in all sectors of the economy. The Electricity tariffs are sure to spike sooner. Hunger prevails with some people literally begging to eat. What concerns such people with who becomes the NSA.

I'm very sure you didn't complain about the Muslim/Muslim ticket that Tinubu rode on. You see nothing morally wrong in that. It's the office of the NSA that bothers you. Hypocrite.

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 12:31pm On Jul 11, 2023
24SEVEN:


Of what concern at this point in time, is the office of the NSA to hungry Nigerians. Tinubu came into power and the fuel price is on its way to N700 per litre, the exchange rate is has been N1,008 to £1, inflation in all sectors of the economy. The Electricity tariffs are sure to spike sooner. Hunger prevails with some people literally begging to eat. What concerns such people with who becomes the NSA.

I'm very sure you didn't complain about the Muslim/Muslim ticket that Tinubu rode on. You see nothing morally wrong in that. It's the office of the NSA that bothers you.
And do you know that it's geopolitical matters such as this that often lead to war in nations?? You think it's all about dollar value or hunger? Was it not because a VP was sacked that precipitated a war in South Sudan which is still ongoing today after more than 8 years? If we continue to avoid matters such as this under the guise that it doesn't change the price of rice or fuel, it'll finally tip over one day lead to avoidable conflagration. Was it the price of gari that caused the Nigerian civil war??
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 12:35pm On Jul 11, 2023
BabaRamota1980:
OP,
These are very valid points.

Along with your points on security/defense, FCT minister.

I think in the background of endorsements for candidates and competition to be President, Northerners negotiate certain positions in return for support and votes. Positions that are critical for their survival in the contract for nationhood.
It's nice to see somebody seeing through the same lens. Who says it's only the north who can produce the positions of defense minister and NSA at the same time? These are almost the most plum political appointments — they give it to themselves when they are in power and southerners also give it to them when they the southerners are in power.
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 12:40pm On Jul 11, 2023
Flathead8:
A northerner is still heading EFCC and DSS

Only northerners can fight corruption and insecurity. That's how the southerners are helping the northerners to feel like they own Nigeria or have more stake in Nigeria, and then later complain that northerners have taken over all FG civil service offices.

BTW, switch to a better moniker.

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Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by 24SEVEN: 2:11pm On Jul 11, 2023
RenaissanceGuy:
And do you know that it's geopolitical matters such as this that often lead to war in nations?? You think it's all about dollar value or hunger? Was it not because a VP was sacked that precipitated a war in South Sudan which is still ongoing today after more than 8 years? If we continue to avoid matters such as this under the guise that it doesn't change the price of rice or fuel, it'll finally tip over one day lead to avoidable conflagration. Was it the price of gari that caused the Nigerian civil war??

All these grammar because of NSA. The NSA remains an appointee of the President. He can be sacked anytime by the President.
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 3:15pm On Jul 11, 2023
24SEVEN:


All these grammar because of NSA. The NSA remains an appointee of the President. He can be sacked anytime by the President.
Just own up that you have lost the argument.
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by 24SEVEN: 4:34pm On Jul 11, 2023
RenaissanceGuy:
Just own up that you have lost the argument.

Lost argument?? There is nothing lost. The NSA isn't the highest office in the land. Whoever is appointed is done so by the prerogative of the president, who can appoint or fire at will. So basically, this NSA (a Northerner) is answerable to the president who is a Southerner and is someone who has the trust of the President.

The President uses his discretion as it pleases him. If the constitution of Nigeria had imposed Northerners as the NSA, it would have been an entirely different reaction from Southerner.

This thread is tantamount to crying wolf where there is none.

A more important discuss would have been the situation we now find ourselves, whereby the Presidency is rotated between South and North, only Muslims are considered good enough to be president of Nigeria.
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by mrvitalis(m): 4:39pm On Jul 11, 2023
RenaissanceGuy:
And do you know that it's geopolitical matters such as this that often lead to war in nations?? You think it's all about dollar value or hunger? Was it not because a VP was sacked that precipitated a war in South Sudan which is still ongoing today after more than 8 years? If we continue to avoid matters such as this under the guise that it doesn't change the price of rice or fuel, it'll finally tip over one day lead to avoidable conflagration. Was it the price of gari that caused the Nigerian civil war??
Did you complain when tinubu contested even when Yoruba has produced president and South East hasn't? No you didn't... But u want equity now abi ?
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by QuotaSystems: 4:50pm On Jul 11, 2023
Why do some people constantly feel played by the North?

Inferiority complex on fleek.
Re: How Southern People Sell Themselves Short Before The North by RenaissanceGuy: 6:15pm On Jul 11, 2023
mrvitalis:

Did you complain when tinubu contested even when Yoruba has produced president and South East hasn't? No you didn't... But u want equity now abi ?
I did. I constantly posted it on my WhatsApp Status sef—that it was an injustice.

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