TenQ:
Is it True that Mohammed himself recommend FOUR of the best reciters of the Qur'an during his life time and only Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah was dead as of the time of the Third Khalif Uthman : it is strange that non of their Qur'an was used for the authorised version of Uthman
Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith Number: 215
The Prophet once said, "Learn the Qur'an from four: from Abdullah ibn Masud, Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Mu'adh ibn Jabal"


Can anyone explain why non of the recommended Quran reciters by Mohammed himself part of the Committee to write the Qur'an?



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Course Code: CIS 000
Course Title: Christian Invented Qur'an
Lecturer : TenQ
Students: The Gullible & Brain Washed Christians.

TenQ:

1. How could there be differences in writing style if
Abubakar wrote a single Complete Qur'an?

2.How could there be differences I writing style if
Uthman wrote at least Seven IDENTICAL Complete Qur'ans?



I assume that people should copy DIRECTLY from the Printed Arabic Quran!?
Shouldn't they?

honesttalk21:
A hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari states that the caliph Abu Bakr commanded Zayd ibn Thabit to compile the written Quran, relying upon both textual fragments and the memories of those who had memorized it.

honesttalk21:

Caliph Abu Bakr collected the Qur'an and wrote it in pamphlets and books in all its seven letters (the seven i.e. ways in which the Qur'an was revealed and which conform to the seven dialects of the Arabs at that time).

honesttalk21:

The prevalent view among people is that the one who collected the Qur'an was 'Othman, but they are wrong. 'Uthman compelled people to read [the Qur'an] in a uniform way on the basis of a selection which he agreed upon with the Muhajirun (Emigrants) and Ansar (Helpers) who were present at the time. He did this because he feared the outbreak of sedition as a result of the dispute between the people of Iraq and Syria regarding the "styles" (harfs) of the readings. Before this, several versions of the text existed, based on the seven harfs in which the Qur'an was revealed .

honesttalk21:
1. You obviously know the difference between Quran and Mushaf

2. Abu Bakr took on the monumental task of compiling all the seven harfs (modes of recitation) of the Quran.

Abu Bakr formed a delegation under the leadership of Zaid ibn Thabit, one of the leading scribes.

Abu Bakr constituted a delegation of 12 people which included Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abi Talib, Talha ibn Ubaydullah, Abdullah ibn Masood, Ubayy ibn Kab, Khalid ibn al-Walid, Hudhaifah and Saleem.
The copies of the Quran was recited to 33,000 companions at a general meeting.
There was no objection to the Quran read from the compiled Mushaf. Then this was sent to Umar ibn al-Khattab and was passed on to Hazrat Hafsah, the daughter of Umar and a wife of Prophet Muhammad.

honesttalk21:
The pages which were compiled during the time of Caliph Abu Bakr were known as a mushaf. This word literally means a manuscript that is bound between two covers as a single volume. After Abu Bakr, this mushaf was transferred to Caliph Umar and stayed with him during his lifetime; later being transferred to his daughter Hafsa. As a matter of fact, this was not the first time the Revelation had been recorded. Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon, had himself done the same thing when he was alive. But, the difference between the two undertakings is that during the Prophet’s lifetime the Revelation had been written on sheets of various materials, whereas it was written and compiled between two covers during the period of Caliph Abu Bakr.

Did Uthman not request and borrow this Mushaf from Hafsah when standardizing the Mushaf in the Qureysh language?
Were the Mushaf not compiled on instruction of Abu Bakr?
Uthman did not 'rewrite' the Quran but saw to the unification of the compilation in only the Qureysh arabic.
I had previously informed that the Mushaf of Uthman was at Topkapı Palace in Turkey and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul.

TenQ:

I agree perfectly with this.

No sir. Abu Bakr wrote only ONE Qur'an.
If you have evidence that he wrote the seven Arabic dialects, please present it. I want to learn.




1. Uthman standardised the Qur'an and Printed only the Quaresh Dialect of the Qur'an.
2. Every other Qur'an was burned including the one from Abu Bakr. The copies of the four Abdullah ibn Masud, Salim Mawla Abi Hudhayfah, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Mu'adh ibn Jabal were suppressed or burnt.
3. Uthman distributed his Qur'an to several Arabian provinces.



The Modern Qur'an is NOT a copy of either the Qur'an sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad. I
The modern Qur'an is not a copy of the Quran of Abu Bakr. The modern Qur'an is from RECITATION of Hafs who lived about 150 years after Mohammed died.


1. Where are the copies of the Quran's sent to Mecca, Medina, Kufa, Basra, Damascus, Cairo and Baghdad?

2. If Uthman could not trust Recitation of the Qur'an in his own life time, what miracle will make us trust a Recitation from a certain Hafs who lived 150 years after the death of Mohammed?

TenQ:

If the Mushaf of Uthman was at Topkapı Palace in Turkey and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul, why was it not used to print the Qur'an of today?
Why use a RECITATION of Hafs?


FYI:
The oldest complete copy of the Qur'an that is available today is known as the "Sana'a manuscript." It was discovered in the Great Mosque of Sana'a, Yemen, during restoration work in 1972.

There exist no single direct copy of ANY of the Qur'an of Uthman in existence today.

honesttalk21:
Sanaa palimpsest or Sanaa Quran is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence.

Is it different from the Birmingham transcript for the exact verses therein?

B.
Among the reasons given for the overwhelming popularity of Hafs an Asim is that it is easy to recite and that God has chosen it to be widespread (Qatari Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs).

Ingrid Mattson credits mass-produced printing press mushaf with increasing the availability of the written Quran, but also with making one version widespread (not specifically Hafs 'an 'Asim) at the expense of diversity of qira'at.

Gabriel Said Reynolds emphasizes that the goal of the Egyptian government in publishing the edition was not to delegitimize the other qira’at, but to eliminate variations found in Qur’anic texts used in state schools, and to do this they chose to preserve one of the fourteen qira’at “readings”, namely that of Hafs


Have an open mind when searching and be thorough. Don't research with a predetermined conclusion. Go through the process please.

honesttalk21:
Sanaa palimpsest or Sanaa Quran is one of the oldest Quranic manuscripts in existence.

Is it different from the Birmingham transcript for the exact verses therein?

B.
Among the reasons given for the overwhelming popularity of Hafs an Asim is that it is easy to recite and that God has chosen it to be widespread (Qatari Ministry of Awqaf and Islamic Affairs).

Ingrid Mattson credits mass-produced printing press mushaf with increasing the availability of the written Quran, but also with making one version widespread (not specifically Hafs 'an 'Asim) at the expense of diversity of qira'at.

Gabriel Said Reynolds emphasizes that the goal of the Egyptian government in publishing the edition was not to delegitimize the other qira’at, but to eliminate variations found in Qur’anic texts used in state schools, and to do this they chose to preserve one of the fourteen qira’at “readings”, namely that of Hafs

honesttalk21:
https://www.tiktok.com/@moonsrarebooks/video/7237647914011659566

honesttalk21:
The hafs quran and Usman's mushaf are identical. The Qur’an we have today show differences in spelling primarily due to orthography of the alphabets.
Notice how words such as على are spelled as علا . These differences are found all over the almost complete Qur'an manuscript. Do they show alteration? Obviously not.

Various harfs of Quran don’t show that they have been tampered with. This is the claim by people who haven't even seen them or have no knowledge of Islam and Arabic whatsoever.
The differences if any are in the way words are spelled. Arabic letters have undergone some changes over the years and vowels too have been introduced to ease pronunciation amongst non arabs.

There seems to be a grave misunderstanding of what Uthman (RA) did. He did not revise a copy and burn all the old copies. That would have been ridiculous and would have sparked a civil war in the Ummah against Uthman (RA).

The Sahaba at the time of Uthman were warriors and they were religious. They would not have tolerated Uthman (RA) changing or editing the word of Allah. In fact, the rebellious people that murdered Uthman themselves (even though they lied about almost every other thing) never used the compilation of the Quran as a point of contention!

One qira'a that has reached overwhelming popularity is the Hafs ‘an ‘Asim

Orientalist A.J. Arberry states -- "the Koran as printed in the twentieth century is identical with the Koran as authorized by ‘Uthmän more than 1300 years ago.

Most of the differences between the various readings involve consonant/diacritical marks (I‘jām) and marks (Ḥarakāt) indicating other vocalizations -- short vowels, nunization, glottal stops, long consonants. Differences in the rasm or "skeleton" of the writing are more scarce, since canonical readings were required to comply with at least one of the regional Uthmanic copies (which had a small number of differences).

A great submission from you that all other copies of the Quran were burnt so the questions arise:

1. If all the versions were burnt where are the variations you mention coming from?

2. Do you not see and appreciate the remarkable retention of the Quran by heart and transmission to later generation to this day?

3. Present your text of various Quran for comparison.

TenQ:

Hafs Quran is easy to recite!:

Look at your argument!
Uthman had standardised the WRITTEN Quran: We expect the Quran of hafs to be an EXACT copy!
How then is hafs Quran easier to recite?

Did Hafs delete the complex parts of the Uthmanic Quran!?
How can we prove that the Quran of Abu Bakr and the Quran of Uthman were difficult to recite!

TenQ:

You sent me into a reel of laughter!

If you dont have copies of the Quran of Abu Bakr or the copies of the Quran of Uthman, what is the proof that a RECITATION of Hafs is the EXACT copy of these Qurans?
This is mere wishful thinking!

Why would the Muslims decide to CHOOSE a RECITATION rather than the Written Quran to produce a Standardised Modern Quran?

Please don't forget that the Reason Uthman standardised the Quran was that the RECITATIONS were getting Distorted from the Original Quran as revealed to Mohammed. Uthman then got knowledgeable people who were COMPANIONS of the prophet to write the PERFECT andUNIFORM Quran.

Now, you Muslims IGNORE this Uthmanic copy to adopt the RECITATION of a certain Hafs (whoes hadiths cannot even be trusted as you accused Ibn Ishaq) for your modern Quran. It is difficult to see the logic o!
Very difficult!

Note:
Most of those whose Quran were burnt by Uthman were even the companions of the prophet Mohammed because discrepancies were coming into their MEMORIES: But modern Muslims think that the memory of hafs born 150 years AFTER the death of Mohammed is ACCURATE!?
How!?

TenQ:

You sent me into a reel of laughter!

If you dont have copies of the Quran of Abu Bakr or the copies of the Quran of Uthman, what is the proof that a RECITATION of Hafs is the EXACT copy of these Qurans?
This is mere wishful thinking!

Why would the Muslims decide to CHOOSE a RECITATION rather than the Written Quran to produce a Standardised Modern Quran?

Please don't forget that the Reason Uthman standardised the Quran was that the RECITATIONS were getting Distorted from the Original Quran as revealed to Mohammed. Uthman then got knowledgeable people who were COMPANIONS of the prophet to write the PERFECT andUNIFORM Quran.

Now, you Muslims IGNORE this Uthmanic copy to adopt the RECITATION of a certain Hafs (whoes hadiths cannot even be trusted as you accused Ibn Ishaq) for your modern Quran. It is difficult to see the logic o!
Very difficult!

Note:
Most of those whose Quran were burnt by Uthman were even the companions of the prophet Mohammed because discrepancies were coming into their MEMORIES: But modern Muslims think that the memory of hafs born 150 years AFTER the death of Mohammed is ACCURATE!?
How!?

TenQ:

Beautiful: A 315 year-old copy of the Quran in London!
And the Al-Fathia is the perfect proof that the Quran is identical with the modern Quran: Just as from the Al-Fathia, we can prove that the Warsh Quran and the Hafs Quran are PERFECTLY identical.



Was this Quran also based on the Recitation of Hafs?
AND
Is it easy to Read?

honesttalk21:
Of course one who doesn't know arabic cannot see the verses of Baqarah in that video.

Contact Reid Moon to show you other Surah's in the Quran he displayed or are you scared your folly will be revealed?

honesttalk21:
Do you have a copy of the bible from the 1st or 2nd century? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

honesttalk21:
Of course your poor English comprehension equates most with all.
Still forgetting their memories weren't burnt. What are you studying or did you study? Hope you made a distinction as it seems you need to confirm what was written in your texts all tge time.

honesttalk21:
Read this line of transmission.
Imam Hafs ibn Suleiman ibn al-Mughirah al-Asadi al-Kufi learned from Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud al-Kufi al-Tabi'i from Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami from Uthman ibn Affan, Ali ibn Abu Talib, Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and Zaid ibn Thabit from Muhammad.

TenQ:

If Uthman during the time of the companions could not trust the memories of Muslim reciters, why do you think that suddenly 150 years after them the memory of Hafs should be trusted?

honesttalk21:
Copies of what is recited
as you can't see what they have in memory or can you?
Told you earlier you can find these in Turkey at the Topkapı Palace and the Museum of Turkish-Islamic Arts in Istanbul, there are mushafs from Uthman and Ali's period. One of them was handwritten by Uthman, and the other two by Ali. Re-read the thread as you have forgotten.


You can also find Uthman's quran with the
Muslim Board of Uzbekistan.

honesttalk21:
Can you provide proof of this claim,