Ohyoudidnt:
Also a variation assumes one main or central process, theme, or ideology that remains the same.


A difference isolates and emphasises a distinct change.

TenQ:

So you admit that the Qurans are different


So which one of the 26 Quran did Jibril reveal to Mohammed?



Like I said: let's put an end to this.

If you make a post, call me and I will respond!

TenQ:
The Questions had been:

Who deleted the verse of breastfeeding of adult men from the Quran of Allah?

TenQ:

Are you caught in your own web of deceit!?

When it is the Quran, it is translation
BUT
When it is the Bible it is NO translation!


But then I ask the question :
Which one of these Arabic Qur'an was revealed to Mohammed

On a serious note, Let us stop this thread. It is boring as it is.
I will certainly invite you when I make another post about Islam

Stop being mischievous

Ohyoudidnt:
Bibles with Hebrew or Greek alongside the English translation are pretty scarce. I personally haven't seen one or no anyone who has.

Is that cost saving or a deliberate ploy to deceive.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seems an earlier poster sufficiently addressed this.

Ohyoudidnt:
No I did not.
Educating you about the disparity between variation and difference.

You haven't answered why Christians adopted the derogatory name.

TenQ:

Only because you didn't search for it.

Google play store would have helped you if you are interested in knowledge.

Do you speak Arabic fluently?
Or is Arabic just a decoration for you?



Finally, of the 26 different Arabic Qur'an available, which one is the Wuran of Mohammed?



Because you've changed to topic in its entirety


The Questions had been:
Who deleted the verse of breastfeeding of adult men from the Quran of Allah?



Check the meaning of variation and check the meaning of difference. Are they not synonyms?

Again:
So which one of the 26 Quran did Jibril reveal to Mohammed?

TenQ:

You haven't upgraded from the low level attack from Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik.

Which of these Qur'an is not Qur'an?

Sahih International
Pickthall
Yusuf Ali
Muhsin Khan
Shakir
Dr. Mustafa Khattab
Saheeh International
Abdul Haleem
Abdullah Yusuf Ali
Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din al-Hilali and Muhammad Muhsin Khan

Do you need more?
You don't even know that there are up to 70 English translation of the Qur'an?



Okay Abdul,
Which one of these is the true Arabic Qur'an

Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah

Do you need more?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHG8SxmO6xk&pp=ygUXRGlmZmVyZW50IEFyYWJpYyBRdXInYW4%3D

A longer version if you have the patience


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcoMB8nJWmw&t=66s&pp=ygUXRGlmZmVyZW50IEFyYWJpYyBRdXInYW4%3D

TenQ:

No problem. Any one can make typo error.



Who is Israel in the Qur'an?
Wasn't he mentioned by Allah in the Quran?

Ohyoudidnt:
Yes he was mentioned twice. Though 41 times you read about the sons of Israel; Bani israel (descendants of Israel/people of israel)


Surah Al Imran (3), Ayah 93:

كُلُّ ٱلطَّعَامِ كَانَ حِلًّۭا لِّبَنِي إِسْرَاءِيلَ إِلَّا مَا حَرَّمَ إِسْرَاءِيلُ عَلَىٰ نَفْسِهِۦ مِن قَبْلِ أَن تُنَزَّلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةُ ۗ قُلْ فَأْتُوا۟ بِٱلتَّوْرَىٰةِ فَٱتْلُوهَا إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

All food was lawful to Bani Israel except what Israel (Jacob) had forbidden himself before the Torah was sent down. Say, ‘Bring the Torah, and read it, should you be truthful.’

Surah Maryam (19), Ayah 58:

أُو۟لَٰئِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ ٱللَّٰهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ ٱلنَّبِيِّينَ مِن ذُرِّيَّةِ آدَمَ وَمِمَّنْ حَمَلْنَا مَعَ نُوحٍۢ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّةِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْرَاءِيلَ وَمِمَّنْ هَدَيْنَا وَٱجْتَبَيْنَآ ۚ…

They are the ones whom Allah has blessed from among the prophets of Adam’s progeny, and from [the progeny of] those We carried with Noah, and from among the progeny of Abraham and Israel (Jacob), and from among those We guided and chose… (the end of this verse obligates a religious prostration).

Ohyoudidnt:
https://youtube.com/shorts/aF07AvG4qLQ?feature=share

Ohyoudidnt:
Not talking about a digital bible. There are many hardcopy Quran with both arabic and english translations.

Wuran?

All Arabs did not speak pure Arabic.
What is now called Modern Standard Arabic (Fosha) is basically based on Quranic Arabic, which is the Arabic of the Quraysh tribe.
All the arabs from southern Yemen to modern day Saudi Arabia, the small Gulf states and tribe living in Iraq and parts of Jordan/Syria had their dialects. Even within the Qureysh there are different dialects.
Prophet Muhammads tribe and most dominant in Mekka back in the days.
This is the dialect adopted in the Uthman standard.

Ohyoudidnt:
No. I only state that there was a standard form of Qureysh arabic taken to forestall loss of the actual Quran due to variations.

It is crucial to understand that Ahruf is not a dialect but rather a linguistic variation. The Ahruf system encompasses different linguistic expressions that are used to convey the same message with slight variations to accommodate different audiences.

These variations include differences in pronunciation, wording, or grammatical structure, which are limited to a few letters or words and do not fundamentally change the meaning of the Quran.

Dialects, on the other hand can significantly deviate from the standard language and may require different grammar rules and vocabulary, Ahruf exists within the framework of the Arabic language itself. Recognizing Ahruf as a variation within the language allows for a deeper understanding of the flexibility and adaptability of the Quranic text.

The Quran appears to be of different versions not because the words are different but because the markings to aid pronunciation are different.

The different ahruf are all directly from Allah, and not from the Companions. In all the narrations where the companions differed from each other, it was clear that each one had been taught directly from the Prophet.

Primarily the styles was to enable ease of recitation for the area spread where arabiams lived from Mecca, Medina, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and beyond.

These are multiple styles are all authentic based upon meeting certain conditions and which add to the meaning of the Qur’an while not contradicting one another.

We should compare these variations you mention if you can name or bring them.

Regarding the bibles some of us come from the era before the digital boom and are used to seeing hard copies of religious books in libraries, bookstores, religious shops, schools etc.

TenQ:

There are varying dialects of the Yoruba language as there are modern and ancient Yoruba language. One thing however is that, it doesn't matter which one is used the translation and meaning does NOT change.

I will give you some Examples
A. Imi (excrement)- Oyo
Igbe (excrement)- Modern

B. Irun (Hair)- Oyo/Modern
Ito (Hair) - Igbomina

C. Baba (Father)- Oyo/Modern
Kawu (Father) - Ekiti/Igbomina

Here above are three different Yoruba words due to Dialect differences but meaning EXACTLY the same thing.


So also, differences in Arabic dialects does not cause a change in meaning of words.


I guess you should open the Arabic Warsh and Hafs Qur'an and thus explain the differences in these verses

Quran 2:125
Hafs: watakhizu (you shall take)
Warsh: watakhazu (they have taken)

Quran 2:140
Hafs: taquluna (You say)
Warsh: yaquluna (They say)

Quran 2:184
Hafs: miskeenin (poor person
Warsh: masakeena (poor people)

Quran 3:146
Hafs: qatala (fought)
Warsh: qutila (was killed)

Quran 40:26
Hafs: aw an (or that)
Warsh: wa an (and that)

Quran 43:19
Hafs: ibaad (slaves)
Warsh: inda (with)



Moreover, Hafs has 6238 verses but Warsh 6214.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97rk1rrY9c

Other examples if you care.


https://muslimseekers.com/difference-between-hafs-and-warsh-qurans-2/




I have shown you where to purchase your hard copy Bibles in Hebrew and Greek with their English translations if you want. I gave you the electronic version as this costs you NOTHING.



Sorry, the Quran has been changed. How did Uthman's Qur'an metamorphosed into Quran's with changes in dialects?
How!?

Ohyoudidnt:


Ahruf is not a dialect but rather a linguistic variation

Number of Qur'anic verses may range from 6,212 to 6,250, depending on the system used. The reasons for such differences are varied but is there a difference in the content?
The varyious systems of verse-numbering depend upon varying judgement as to where the rhyme was intended to fall, inclusion or obmission of the Bismillahi in the count.

Ohyoudidnt:

I have attached pictures of hafs and warsh in images shared. Look them up though I know you have done this either here and severally elsewhere.

Are there really differences in the context of what is said?

TenQ:


You said :
You just wrote words without writing out the full verses to see how the meanings changed



I wrote CHANGES in meanings so that you can VERIFY if my claim is TRUE or FALSE!


You didn't say anything about the differences between the Warsh Qur'an and the Hafs Qur'an I gave you. Are These also linguistic variations?


I guess you should open the Arabic Warsh and Hafs Qur'an and thus explain the differences in these verses

Quran 2:125
Hafs: watakhizu (you shall take)
Warsh: watakhazu (they have taken)

Quran 2:140
Hafs: taquluna (You say)
Warsh: yaquluna (They say)

Quran 2:184
Hafs: miskeenin (poor person
Warsh: masakeena (poor people)

Quran 3:146
Hafs: qatala (fought)
Warsh: qutila (was killed)

Quran 40:26
Hafs: aw an (or that)
Warsh: wa an (and that)

Quran 43:19
Hafs: ibaad (slaves)
Warsh: inda (with)



If you don't have the Warsh Qur'an, please download one from the Google Playstore

Note that All these change in meaning is from the Arabic Qur'an. Change of Language (Linguistic Variations or Differences) must not change the meaning of a SENTENCE : Should it?


So my brother,
While the standard Islamic Narratives paint perfect picture of Islam to you Muslims, there are so many underlining LIES and MISINFORMATION within it.
Why do you think Poison is mixed with good food? Is it not to kill the unsuspecting prey?

What is a standard Islamic narrative to you and what poison do you refer to?

[i]My CHALLENGE:
If you are interested in the Truth, Open the Arabic Warsh and Hafs Qur'an, copy the Arabic words and Prove to me that they mean EXACTLY the same MEANING!

Ohyoudidnt:


This truth that you shy away from presenting here
If truly you speak a truth why not share it fully here for me and all to see.

Ohyoudidnt:
Sadly I cannot see the differences. Do oblige me by fully sharing what you have.

Ohyoudidnt:
Those words in absence of the full verses/sentence don't say much.

Write out the full sentences please

Ohyoudidnt:
Lets look at 2:140

Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.

And

Or do they say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do

How have the emboldened affected the meaning of the verses?


These recitations are acceptable; most of the differences in them are either phonetic, or in letter dotting, the application of diacritics, the use of Hamza, the interchange among vowels. The limited slight variations in word meanings are particular to individual words not to the general meaning of the verse.


The Ulama are aware of these variations and they do not change the meaning of the verses.


Do you know there's a special name for a reciter who can master and perform all 10 recitations with their variations; is called Jamial Qiraah (Gatherer of recitations).
They are rare and unlike the tale you try to promote these variations are not novel or unknown.

It actually is something miraculous to recite with these variations and retain the general same meaning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n281Zyywyn4

Ohyoudidnt:

Quran 43:19
ibaad (slaves) = inda (with)
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I actually started here and it betrays your inability to read arabic as Ibaadu (slave) occurs in both hafs and warsh.

Watch your preacher/hero's sweet tongue and do be entrapped in their valleys of deceitful lies.

There isn't anything like inda in any of the styles for this verse.

Ohyoudidnt:
They are both original
Helping me out after I already posted? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
How come it was so difficult to do before?

What essentially is different in the two verses you posted?

Which is outside the revealed?

تَقُولُونَ or يَقُولُونَ is a problem for you? 🤣🤣🤣


Have you crosschecked?
Quran 43:19
Hafs: ibaad (slaves)
Warsh: inda (with)