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U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by KEVIND: 4:19am On Sep 15, 2023
U.S. court reserves judgement in Atiku records case after Chicago university confirmed female Bola Tinubu transcript.

A befuddled Judge Jeffrey Gilbert of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on Tuesday reserved judgement on the subpoena application for Bola Tinubu’s records, after learning that the Nigerian president’s college transcript, which he used to gain admission into Chicago State University (CSU) in 1977, indicated it belonged to a female.

The judge said he was prepared to rule on the matter when he scheduled a hearing for September 12, but he needed additional time to digest his decision after learning that there was a transcript bearing Bola A. Tinubu released by CSU under a separate court subpoena that carried the owner’s gender as female.

The female issue was raised by Mr Tinubu’s lawyer, Christopher Carmichael, who tried to use it to demonstrate the frivolity of the case before the court, dismissing it as a fishing expedition based entirely on a conspiracy theory being peddled in Nigeria by Mr Tinubu’s political detractors.

‘It is like Donald Trump coming up in 2010 to claim that Barack Obama was not born in the United States,” Mr Carmichael said.

But Alexandre de Gramont, lawyer to plaintiff Atiku Abubakar, quickly informed the court that the possibility of Bola Tinubu, who attended CSU in the same 1970s, being a woman was first revealed in records produced by the school itself. The school had, in mid-2022, submitted Mr Tinubu’s records in its possession while complying with a state court subpoena.

The records, handed over to Nigerian civil rights lawyer Mike Enahoro-Ebah, showed that Bola A. Tinubu was admitted into CSU in 1977 based on a transcript from Southwest College Chicago that was marked as belonging to a female.

Judge Gilbert became confused after CSU lawyer Michael Hayes confirmed that the school had indeed turned in records to Mr Enahoro-Ebah in 2022, but insisted that Mr Tinubu, the Nigerian president, was the one who attended and graduated from the school.

Mr Hayes, however, said he could not explain the contradictions, and the school’s administrators would not be able to state under oath that the certificate Mr Tinubu has been parading was genuine or otherwise.

“Is the diploma authentic or is it a forgery? My client can’t answer yes to either of those questions,” Mr Hayes said of Mr Tinubu’s certificate that he submitted to be Nigeria’s president.

Consequently, a confused Judge Gilbert said he would need additional time to process the confusion, especially given Mr Hayes’ confirmation of the records released last year by CSU.

“I will have to take this matter under advisement,” the judge said, adding that his court would communicate a new judgement or hearing date with counsel to all parties. The judge said additional documents or clarification about already submitted documents may be required from the parties.

Mr Gilbert’s docket was updated at night on September 12, hours after the judgement, and also confirmed that the matter is “taken under advisement for the reasons stated on the record.”

Judge Gilbert had earlier in the hearing said the court has always taken a liberal and broad view in granting similar requests under Section 1782, a statute that allows the release of documents and evidence domiciled in the U.S. to be obtained and used in a foreign proceeding, especially with countries that have legal reciprocity arrangements with the U.S. like Nigeria.

Mr Abubakar, the plaintiff and presidential candidate of the February polls, seeks the subpoena to clarify outstanding questions regarding Mr Tinubu’s background, particularly the age, gender and citizenship status under which he was admitted to CSU, records he said he wanted to use to prove his case that Mr Tinubu should not be Nigeria’s president because he submitted a forged certificate to electoral office INEC in violation of Nigeria’s Constitution.


https://gazettengr.com/u-s-court-reserves-judgement-in-atiku-records-case-after-chicago-university-confirmed-female-bola-tinubu-transcript/
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by franchasofficia: 4:27am On Sep 15, 2023
cool
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by KEVIND: 4:33am On Sep 15, 2023
So the result Tinubu is parading from Chicago state University is even a diploma certificate. Not even a degree. Wonders oooo

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 4:38am On Sep 15, 2023
certificate forgers
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by tomber(m): 4:40am On Sep 15, 2023
KEVIND:
So the result Tinubu is parading from Chicago state University is even a diploma certificate. Not even a degree. Wonders oooo

That’s what they call certificate in the US. You can’t actually say Diploma certificate. It’s PhD diploma, Master diploma etc. Sometimes it might be called degree certificate.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Raskimonojendor: 4:44am On Sep 15, 2023
KEVIND:
So the result Tinubu is parading from Chicago state University is even a diploma certificate. Not even a degree. Wonders oooo
🤦🏾‍♂️
Certificates are often called diplomas in North America. It doesn't matter if it's a 2 year diploma, 3 year diploma, associate degree, degree or masters.
The attorneys on both sides have been using degree certificate and diploma interchangeably.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Raskimonojendor: 4:46am On Sep 15, 2023
KEVIND:
U.S. court reserves judgement in Atiku records case after Chicago university confirmed female Bola Tinubu transcript.

A befuddled Judge Jeffrey Gilbert of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on Tuesday reserved judgement on the subpoena application for Bola Tinubu’s records, after learning that the Nigerian president’s college transcript, which he used to gain admission into Chicago State University (CSU) in 1977, indicated it belonged to a female.

The judge said he was prepared to rule on the matter when he scheduled a hearing for September 12, but he needed additional time to digest his decision after learning that there was a transcript bearing Bola A. Tinubu released by CSU under a separate court subpoena that carried the owner’s gender as female.

The female issue was raised by Mr Tinubu’s lawyer, Christopher Carmichael, who tried to use it to demonstrate the frivolity of the case before the court, dismissing it as a fishing expedition based entirely on a conspiracy theory being peddled in Nigeria by Mr Tinubu’s political detractors.

‘It is like Donald Trump coming up in 2010 to claim that Barack Obama was not born in the United States,” Mr Carmichael said.

But Alexandre de Gramont, lawyer to plaintiff Atiku Abubakar, quickly informed the court that the possibility of Bola Tinubu, who attended CSU in the same 1970s, being a woman was first revealed in records produced by the school itself. The school had, in mid-2022, submitted Mr Tinubu’s records in its possession while complying with a state court subpoena.

The records, handed over to Nigerian civil rights lawyer Mike Enahoro-Ebah, showed that Bola A. Tinubu was admitted into CSU in 1977 based on a transcript from Southwest College Chicago that was marked as belonging to a female.

Judge Gilbert became confused after CSU lawyer Michael Hayes confirmed that the school had indeed turned in records to Mr Enahoro-Ebah in 2022, but insisted that Mr Tinubu, the Nigerian president, was the one who attended and graduated from the school.

Mr Hayes, however, said he could not explain the contradictions, and the school’s administrators would not be able to state under oath that the certificate Mr Tinubu has been parading was genuine or otherwise.

“Is the diploma authentic or is it a forgery? My client can’t answer yes to either of those questions,” Mr Hayes said of Mr Tinubu’s certificate that he submitted to be Nigeria’s president.

Consequently, a confused Judge Gilbert said he would need additional time to process the confusion, especially given Mr Hayes’ confirmation of the records released last year by CSU.

“I will have to take this matter under advisement,” the judge said, adding that his court would communicate a new judgement or hearing date with counsel to all parties. The judge said additional documents or clarification about already submitted documents may be required from the parties.

Mr Gilbert’s docket was updated at night on September 12, hours after the judgement, and also confirmed that the matter is “taken under advisement for the reasons stated on the record.”

Judge Gilbert had earlier in the hearing said the court has always taken a liberal and broad view in granting similar requests under Section 1782, a statute that allows the release of documents and evidence domiciled in the U.S. to be obtained and used in a foreign proceeding, especially with countries that have legal reciprocity arrangements with the U.S. like Nigeria.

Mr Abubakar, the plaintiff and presidential candidate of the February polls, seeks the subpoena to clarify outstanding questions regarding Mr Tinubu’s background, particularly the age, gender and citizenship status under which he was admitted to CSU, records he said he wanted to use to prove his case that Mr Tinubu should not be Nigeria’s president because he submitted a forged certificate to electoral office INEC in violation of Nigeria’s Constitution.


https://gazettengr.com/u-s-court-reserves-judgement-in-atiku-records-case-after-chicago-university-confirmed-female-bola-tinubu-transcript/
Sensational news. Much ado over a clerical typo.

Picture 1: Transcript from SW College with the typo F.
Picture 2: Admission application form from CSU indicating correct sex i.e. Male was ticked off.
Picture 3: Academic transcript from CSU.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by ican2020: 4:49am On Sep 15, 2023
Waiting for the real truth to unfold cause you can not demand so much from applicants for various vacancies and allow questionable results holders to occupy highest job in the country.
The real truth is all we need

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Putinofrussia: 5:21am On Sep 15, 2023
Atiku chasing shadows while Igbos jubilate cheesy

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Chibuzoripob: 5:46am On Sep 15, 2023
cool Allow dem chop Atiku 💰💰

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 5:50am On Sep 15, 2023
Atiku is just flogging a dead horse. He would soon ask CSU to provide CCTV footages of Tinubu attending classes and sitting for exams.
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Phantom233: 5:51am On Sep 15, 2023
tomber:


That’s what they call certificate in the US. You can’t actually say Diploma certificate. It’s PhD diploma, Master diploma etc. Sometimes it might be called degree certificate.
story for the gods, Diploma is Diploma, any where in the world. all Tinubu could attend in education was a forge Diploma certificate full Stop. Thank God he messed with the wrong country.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 5:54am On Sep 15, 2023
Atiku can drag CSU for the next 200 years. The university are sticking to their guns on Tinubu graduating from their university.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-state-university-nigeria-bola-tinubu/

Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by OneCandleAway(f): 5:56am On Sep 15, 2023
tomber:


That’s what they call certificate in the US. You can’t actually say Diploma certificate. It’s PhD diploma, Master diploma etc. Sometimes it might be called degree certificate.

There's nothing like PhD diploma.

There is undergraduate diploma which is different from degree program. There is post graduate diploma which is different from masters program. There is undergraduate and postgraduate certificate.

Please share a university link to PhD diploma if I am wrong.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by mycar: 5:56am On Sep 15, 2023
If he can prove that he used to be a female before nko?
Is it that got admitted into the school with forged documents?

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 5:58am On Sep 15, 2023
mycar:
If he can prove that he used to be a female before nko?
That's left for Atiku to go and look for the lost female Bola A. Tinubu. The university registered him as a male.
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 6:01am On Sep 15, 2023
tomber:


That’s what they call certificate in the US. You can’t actually say Diploma certificate. It’s PhD diploma, Master diploma etc. Sometimes it might be called degree certificate.

OneCandleAway:


There's nothing like PhD diploma.

There is undergraduate diploma which is different from degree program. There is post graduate diploma which is different from masters program. There is undergraduate and postgraduate certificate.

Please share a university link to PhD diploma if I am wrong.
Diploma

Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by mycar: 6:05am On Sep 15, 2023
Goodvibes007:

That's left for Atiku to go and look for the lost female Bola A. Tinubu. The university registered him as a male.
Do they have 2 Tinubu, if the university had made a mistake in the document that they gave to Atiku, what stops them from saying so because I don't think that Tinubu was given and he submitted same that portrays him as a female t the INEC or did he notice the error and chose to edit it himself. I think there is something fishy there.
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 6:12am On Sep 15, 2023
mycar:

Do they have 2 Tinubu, if the university had made a mistake in the document that they gave to Atiku, what stops them from saying so because I don't think that Tinubu was given and he submitted same that portrays him as a female t the INEC or did he notice the error and chose to edit it himself. I think there is something fishy there.

The document showing F is the type written SW college transcript he used for admission into CSU. On his admission form, the university correctly registered him as male. As per the descripancy in certificates, CSU had already addressed that as well. Check note 4 well. If possible, read it twice.

I don't really know what Atiku is trying to arrive it. But whatever it is, I wish him good luck.

Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by OneCandleAway(f): 6:13am On Sep 15, 2023
Goodvibes007:



Diploma

This is a program you take when running a normal PhD program. This isn't a 4 year PhD program on its own.

Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by MrsTwrite(f): 6:14am On Sep 15, 2023
Is the Female B for me grin
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Goodvibes007: 6:14am On Sep 15, 2023
OneCandleAway:


This is a program you take when running a normal PhD program. This isn't a 4 year PhD program on its own.
I have used a bad example with McMasters. My mistake.

What I and the guy you replied are saying is that academic certificates in North America are often referred to as Diplomas irrespective of the level of the academic qualification.

The below is from CSU. You can see that they are also using diploma and degree certificate interchangeably.

Also look at my 2nd screenshot from McGill. You can replace diploma language with certificate language,or your diploma or certificate will be printed

Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Auraking: 6:59am On Sep 15, 2023
So Tinubu na bi.
Patronize me on my signature.
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Racoon(m): 7:05am On Sep 15, 2023
The criminality of the person called Bola Adekunle Ahmed Tinubu didn't start today. So no sane person living in the world today should be surprised.

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by fx45(m): 7:10am On Sep 15, 2023
Raskimonojendor:

Sensational news. Much ado over a clerical typo.

Picture 1: Transcript from SW College with the typo F.
Picture 2: Admission application form from CSU indicating correct sex i.e. Male was ticked off.
Picture 3: Academic transcript from CSU.
Baba, you go explain tire!

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by fx45(m): 7:11am On Sep 15, 2023
Racoon:
The criminality of the person called Bola Adekunle Ahmed Tinubu didn't start today. So no sane person living in the world today should be surprised.
The druggie's fall will be loud. That criminal must be exposed for who/what he is

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Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Ofunaofu: 7:32am On Sep 15, 2023
Raskimonojendor:

Sensational news. Much ado over a clerical typo.

Picture 1: Transcript from SW College with the typo F.
Picture 2: Admission application form from CSU indicating correct sex i.e. Male was ticked off.
Picture 3: Academic transcript from CSU.

Raskimonojendor, you are not in the position to say whether it is a clerical typo or not


The matter is already in court

Allow the school and the judge to determine whether it's a clerical typo
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by DiscoverID: 7:34am On Sep 15, 2023
Tinubu defeated them and scuttled their plans of taking over lagos and pushed back their agenda of dominating the Yorubas by 70 years. They hated him because he's the only one that has the capability of doing such.

They won't stop this hysteria and will never like him or any Yoruba person. There's this collectivity in purpose and written consensus from ibos to oppose any strong political leader from other regions by default.

Thus, Tinubu defeating Peter Gringory Obi is the end of their political relevancy, hence you understand the mass hysteria and hatred.

After Tinubu, power goes back to the north then back to south south and then back to the north and back to south west and back to the north. Like announcing lymphoma to a patient the dying days of political relevance of the ibos is in weeks.

They will never like Tinubu , they know that we know !
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by OkCornel(m): 7:49am On Sep 15, 2023
Goodvibes007:
Atiku can drag CSU for the next 200 years. The university are sticking to their guns on Tinubu graduating from their university.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-state-university-nigeria-bola-tinubu/

Makes sense. Hopefully should clear up a lot of things now.
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by Varunpulyani: 7:56am On Sep 15, 2023
Raskimonojendor:

🤦🏾‍♂️
Certificates are often called diplomas in North America. It doesn't matter if it's a 2 year diploma, 3 year diploma, associate degree, degree or masters.
The attorneys on both sides have been using degree certificate and diploma interchangeably.

Your bulaba baba is a certified hardened criminal
Re: U.S. Court Reserves Judgement In Atiku Records Case After CSU Confirmed Female B by mycar: 3:03pm On Sep 15, 2023
Goodvibes007:

The document showing F is the type written SW college transcript he used for admission into CSU. On his admission form, the university correctly registered him as male. As per the descripancy in certificates, CSU had already addressed that as well. Check note 4 well. If possible, read it twice.

I don't really know what Atiku is trying to arrive it. But whatever it is, I wish him good luck.
Then they should forget the matter but I know if any other person had this same issue, our court would have sacked the person with much ado. Former Bayelsa state governor comes to mind

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