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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 12:28pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:I think you are a bit confused about the legal status of the Bab al-Mandeb strait in Yemen. Let me clear it up for you. The Bab al-Mandeb strait is a narrow passage that connects the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean. It is bordered by Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea. It is one of the route for international trade and security, because it links the Mediterranean Sea and the Suez Canal to the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf. Now according to international law, the Bab al-Mandeb strait is not considered international waters, but rather an international strait. An international strait is a waterway that connects two areas of the high seas or exclusive economic zones, and that is used for international navigation. There's what we call the UNCLOS,if you know what that is. They establish the legal regime of international straits, such as the Bab al-Mandeb strait. UNCLOS provides that in straits used for international navigation, all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage, which shall not be impeded by the coastal states. Transit passage means the exercise of the freedom of navigation and overflight solely for the purpose of continuous and expeditious transit of the strait. The coastal states may adopt laws and regulations relating to transit passage, but only in conformity with UNCLOS and other rules of international law. The Bab al-Mandeb strait is not international property, and the coastal states have some rights and obligations, but also have to respect the right of transit passage of other states. This is different from the Suez Canal and the Strait of Bosporus, which are not natural waterways, they are artificial canals that are subject to special agreements and conventions. These coastal states of the Bab al-Mandeb strait cannot claim the whole waterway as their territorial sea or EEZ, nor can they take toll from ships using the place, that would violate the right of transit passage and the freedom of navigation of other states. They can maybe benefit from the natural resources and the economic activities in their respective territorial sea and EEZ. Do you understand now? 1 Like |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 12:34pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem: ![]() Unfortunately for Israel, the so called revenge mission of destroying Gaza and it’s population is called GENOCIDE in legal terms and has brought Israel international condemnation to the extent dat the primary objective of Israel to take the entire Palestine from the indigenous Arab population CAN NOLONGER be achievable. That’s why I say Israel is finished. It’s over! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Whatisurproblem(m): 12:35pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:why agueing with this Ode, small street fight, you go run hide, those Hamas fighters pretending to be doctors, Red cross, humanitarians aid, journalist, Civilians, . moment they noticed IDF is closing in on them, they will quickly change clothes. That's why IDF also target and kill them. |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 12:47pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() ![]() U think if Britain or America or even France were located where Yemen is today, that all this your English will apply about Bab Al mandeb? You think if Yemen were to be located were Turkey is today, you think Bosphorus will not be named an INTERNATIONAL STRAIT?
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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by tym92(m): 12:51pm On Jan 05 |
princeade86:You've taken wrong step by going to police in the first place. 1) The money won't come as expected 2) They will collect the money and be giving you story 3) You won't sha get your money back as expected unless you have your person/blood at the used station.. Best way to resolve this kinda issue is to go to court direct, complain and they'll give you guidelines on how to do it... At the end court will ask the person to payback within a time frame, go to jail or have his/her properties sold in an auction way... |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 12:53pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem: ![]() ![]() |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Whatisurproblem(m): 12:57pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:you have been shouting thunder since you were born we never see thunder, now you are dragging with those manufacturing thunders in real time, you will keep dying oh it's a pity |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by tammyf: 1:03pm On Jan 05 |
aspabay:U could air your views without insult brother . I never insulted you. |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Postinor: 1:06pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem:🤣🤣🤣, israel have mainly killed only civilians, hamas is still very active,till today hamas has still been firing rockets at israel,hamas still has israel captives, kill one hamas leader and they are so many more to take it's position, and this your lie of saying hamas is hiding under civilians has long been discarded as an Israeli lie,a whole god own nation can't defeat small hamas, shame on your false bible 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 1:09pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem: ![]() Something has changed! In October 7, 2023 Hamas wiped-out two brigades of Israel’s finest soldiers called Golani brigade ![]() They even took the commander’s dead body hostage into Gaza as proof they didn’t come for civilians as Israel has been lying about. In addition they took over two hundred hostages with them into Gaza! Who would EVER have believed Hamas could carry dis off 5yrs back? Another 5yrs from now, maybe Hamas will be strong enough to take the entire Knesset hostages. That’s why I say again. Na thunder go fire Israel. Hamas rockets now, get to Tel Aviv. So is like am righting small small. Abi? |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Whatisurproblem(m): 1:16pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:lol, bait to completely destroy everything Palestinian and Hamas fall for the bait 🪤, you are a child, you don't know anything. Currently in front of TV Aljazira. You are there blablin
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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 1:19pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:I'm afraid you missed the point. I did not merely reflect the position of the west, but the facts and the law. Lol You see, the legal status of the Bab al-Mandeb strait is not based on the location or the power of the coastal states, but on the definition and the criteria of an international strait. I told you, an international strait is a waterway that connects two areas of the high seas or exclusive economic zones, and that is used for international navigation. The Bab al-Mandeb strait meets these conditions, as it links the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean, and is used by ships and aircraft from all over the world. In other words, it is an international strait, regardless of who controls the shores. The same logic applies to the Strait of Bosporus, which is also an international strait, as it connects the Black Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and is used for international navigation. The fact that Turkey is a powerful and influential country does not change the legal regime of the strait, which is governed by the Montreux Convention of 1936. The convention grants the right of passage to all civilian and military vessels, subject to some limitations and regulations. Turkey has the right to control and protect the strait, but not to block or charge it. Your hypothetical scenarios are irrelevant and unrealistic. It does not matter if Britain, America, or France were located where Yemen is today, or if Yemen were located where Turkey is today. The Bab al-Mandeb strait and the Strait of Bosporus would still be international straits, and the coastal states would still have to respect the right of transit passage of other states. This is not a matter of opinion or preference, but a matter of principle and practice. I hope this clarifies your confusion. Cheers! 1 Like |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Whatisurproblem(m): 1:19pm On Jan 05 |
Postinor:are you guys watching Ajazira at all? Even Lebanon dey collect, you kids are just bablin. |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 1:24pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem: ![]() Exactly what Al Jazera is doing right now. Baiting international sympathy for Gaza. Palestinians are ahead on media victories while IDF is dancing away their destiny on TikTok and Israel political leaders are roping themselves with genocidal rhetorics in the media Btw me and u, Gaza is far from gone. In 2016 Israel bombing Lebanon killed 20,000 Lebanese equally and took the country back to the Stone Age according to IDF. But fast forward to today. Does Lebanon look like Stone Age? Dey whyn! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Postinor: 1:29pm On Jan 05 |
Whatisurproblem:🤣🤣🤣, how are lebanon's collecting,at the most hezbollah attacks israel and then israel retaliates,if israel is that strong why don't they go and attack lebanon with full force |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 1:30pm On Jan 05 |
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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 2:18pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:Did you just chicken out of our previous conversation just to do this under this dude's comment? Lol |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 2:30pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() Thank God they didn’t come to Africa as Europe initially intended. The west has no right to dump their waste on us. Israel should be returned back to sender as they don’t know how to co-exist with Arab neighbors and continue to exhibit the same toxic behavior that cause Hitler to slaughter 6Million of them |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 2:32pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:Deviating much, eh? You didn't respond to the previous conversation about the international waters blah blah blah. Ran out of idea, or you straight clueless? |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 2:35pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() I catch your meaning now ![]() U yourself just admitted Turkey can close or open the Bosporus. The Houthis should be able to close or open the Bab Al mandeb too. I know, where Yemen very powerful nation, international law will be skewed to favor dem. I know u will disagree |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 2:39pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() My point right from onset is dat No one considers Yemen as having some right to open or close their strait |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 2:44pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:It's obvious you aren't too smart or you outrightly refused to read what I wrote up there or you have a problem understanding what i wrote. I did not admit that Turkey can close or open the Bosporus. I said that Turkey has the right to control and protect the strait, but not to block or charge it. That's because the strait is subject to the Montreux Convention. Turkey has to respect this international agreement, or else it will face legal and diplomatic consequences. The Houthis do not have the same right to close or open the Bab al-Mandeb. That's because the strait is subject to the UNCLOS, which grants the right of transit passage to all ships and aircraft, which shall not be impeded by the coastal states. Plus, the Houthis are not a recognized state, but a rebel group that controls part of Yemen's territory. They have no legal authority or legitimacy to interfere with the international navigation in the strait. Their attacks on commercial shipping are illegal. If you aren't well read or can't say anything factual then don't bother to respond. It's obvious! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 2:44pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:Read mate!!!! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 3:08pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() 1. The Houthis and Yemen position on attacking ships heading to or fro Israel is identical. Yemen is officially at war with Israel. 2. Take a look at the Strait of Dover. It belongs to Britain and France. They have all the say so on matters concerning the English Channel passage. On the strait itself, both countries took 3miles each for themselves, leaving only 14miles as international waters. Bab Al mandeb is same widths with Dover, yet Yemen and Djibouti has no national waters in the strait? Why? 3. I am well aware Turkey close the strait Bosporus wen it likes.
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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 3:16pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() You believe too much in letters of conventions which powerful nations follow only wen convenient and ignore without consequence wen dey deem! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by eepeepook: 3:41pm On Jan 05 |
Indians are worthless to sea pirates. Na them go feed the Indians come collect little in return. |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 3:46pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:You are making some false and misleading claims that need to be corrected. 1)The Houthis and Yemen are not the same thing. The Houthis are a rebel group that controls part of Yemen's territory, but they are not recognized as a legitimate government by the international community. Yemen is not officially at war with Israel, but the Houthis have declared their support for Hamas and have launched attacks on Israeli targets. 2)The Strait of Dover is not an international strait, but a part of the territorial sea of Britain and France. The two countries have agreed to divide the strait into two zones, each extending 3 nautical miles from their respective coasts, leaving a median line between them. They also grant the right of innocent passage to foreign ships in their zones, subject to some regulations . The Bab al-Mandeb strait on the other hand is an international strait, as it connects two areas of the high seas or exclusive economic zones, and is used for international navigation.The coastal states of Yemen, Djibouti, and Eritrea have their own territorial sea and exclusive economic zone in the strait, but they also have to respect the right of transit passage of other states, as stipulated by the UNCLOS. Turkey does not close the Strait of Bosporus whenever it likes. They only have the right to control and protect the strait, but not to block it. In all sincerity, your arguments are not valid or sound. You are confusing and conflating different legal regimes and political situations. I'd suggest you do more research and learn more about the history and the geography of the region. Cheers! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by tishbite41(m): 4:07pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad:Mr. Man, that fella is telling you with the truth garnished with facts. In terms of geographic definition, the Strait of Dover, the Strait of Bosporus and the Bab al-Mandeb Strait are the same. So, why is the administration of the Yemeni strait different?! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 4:14pm On Jan 05 |
Botragelad: ![]() 2. Thats the Yemen president in the picture. Al-Alimi is in full support of the Houthis clamping down on Israeli ships 3. Turkey is going to block the Bosporus against British ships going to Ukraine, yet Turkey can’t block the Bosporus? How intelligent is the one who, only a moment ago questioned my intelligence? I told you b4 Turkey closes the Bosporus at will. Maybe u need to google the number of times they’ve done so
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Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Krismas(m): 4:32pm On Jan 05 |
tishbite41: ![]() Godbless. |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 4:37pm On Jan 05 |
tishbite41:Read what I wrote up there! |
Re: Indian Navy Vigilant On Hijacked Ship With Indian Crew Near Somalia. by Botragelad: 5:45pm On Jan 05 |
Krismas:You are mistaken again about the English Channel and the Mediterranean Sea. The English Channel is not a conduit for the Atlantic Ocean to flow into the Mediterranean Sea. It's a slim stretch of the Atlantic Ocean that lies between the south coast of England and the north coast of France. The Mediterranean Sea on the other hand is a vast sea that is enclosed by land and linked to the Atlantic Ocean by the Strait of Gibraltar, which is about 900 miles distant from the English Channel. The English Channel is not an international waterway, but a segment of the territorial sea of Britain and France. The two countries have consented to split the strait into two zones, each extending 3 nautical miles from their respective shores, leaving a median line between them. Told ya just now. The English Channel is not a favour to two influential countries, but a consequence of their historical and geographical situation. Lol Your racial remark about the "white boys" is immaterial and insulting. Turkey is not going to obstruct the Bosporus for British ships heading to Ukraine, but only did for two former British ships that were given to Ukraine and planned to cross the strait. These ships were categorised as warships, as they were armed and had military personnel on board. Turkey has the right to regulate the passage of warships through the strait, depending on their tonnage, type, and origin.etc Not like it shuts the Bosporus at whim. |
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