It's long overdue, styrofoam takes forever to decompose

Then we go back to our days of nylon useage or come with yr cooler

fergie001:


Tokunbo Wahab
Commissioner for Environment & Water Affairs, Lagos State

Misplaced priorities is what I call this. Shame on you Lagos government

libertyfather:
wahala, many thing just come conveniently to destroy the eco system..see this pack and bottle water plastic eeehn!

So they will ban bottle water too.

well lagos is synonymous with trash, so this may help a bit.

madridguy:
The Lagos State Commissioner for Environment & Water Affairs should calm down and take things easy. This is peoples solely source of income and I believe there should be time frame to this.

Why with immediate effect. Give some time like 3 months for businesses to adjust

EreluRoz:
It won't still work, the only solution to the all Lagos wahala is to decongest Lagos by dredging of River Niger is the major solution.


How do people live, work and survive in Lagos is still a mystery to me.

What's the dredge the River Niger solution?

PureFace1:


Hard drugs is also some people major source of income does that mean it mustn't be ban ?

As long as the harm it is causing to the general population and environment is more than the good, then it deserve to be ban without any warning or time frame or what's the timeframe for ? so the dealers can have more time to dispose it and cause more pollution ?

Many people survive on dealing with so many illegal things like drugs, fake goods etc does that mean the government should let them continue causing damage and continue to tolerate it because it is some people source of income and they may not survive otherwise ? even Okada that has been banned in Lagos recently is a major source of income for a lot of people too.

Nothing wrong banning it but a time frame is needed. This isn't military era where senseless fiats were prevalent.

Is it that they don't know that single-use plastics include:

1. PET bottles - ottled water, coke and all fizzy drinks in plastic bottles
2. Nylon bags for packaging in the markets
3. Drink straws
4. Styrofoam packaging
5. Polythene bags - Pure water etc.
6. Cling films for food

They should ban plastic drinks and can too now...thinkin as if they ar controlling their home

This govt will just come up with one ban without considering the consequences on people who Benefits from its use.

PureFace1:


Hard drugs is also some people major source of income does that mean it mustn't be ban ?

As long as the harm it is causing to the general population and environment is more than the good, then it deserve to be ban without any warning or time frame or what's the timeframe for ? so the dealers can have more time to dispose it and cause more pollution ?

Many people survive on dealing with so many illegal things like drugs, fake goods etc does that mean the government should let them continue causing damage and continue to tolerate it because it is some people source of income and they may not survive otherwise ? even Okada that has been banned in Lagos recently is a major source of income for a lot of people too.

Pure faced stvpidity

You won't blame the government for not providing recycling centres, or providing a working trash disposal system, or creating incentives to encourage proper disposal of trash, you'd rather use this dull analogy to justify a thoightless governmental order.

Yes, ban it. But u can't say the government has done the bare minimum to provide a proper trash disposal system for everyone.

Do you see Styrofoam littered on Victoria island to lekki phase 1? Because there are good roads. Good roads encourage trash disposal trucks to provide their services to people there.

Are there good roads on the mainland that have this Styrofoam menace?

Think b4 u type stvpid things on the Internet.

dazzlingd:


How’s this a clamp down on the poor?

Think local restaurants and the stock of Styrofoam they have to provide affordable take outs for their customers.

Mind u, I think it costs 100/150ngn per Styrofoam pack rn. 300ngn per plastic pack. Same time last year, Styrofoam packs cost 50ngn per pack, and 100/150ngn for plastics.

Now those local restaurants will have to dispose off their stock. What do you think will happen to the wholesale price of plastics if the cheaper alternative is immediately eradicated?
What do you think will happen to the price of the plastic takeaway packs that local restaurant sells?

Now lagos has approx 20 million people. I can assure you that about 500 thousand visit different local restaurants daily.

Those 500 thousand would get to local restaurants and be met by a new price increment. They've been facing new price increments every week since the inception of this new govt. And now they're facing a new one, because of a thoughtless Styrofoam ban.

Before you type anyhow reply, just read my reply to another anyhow response about this ban immmediately above this one

jmaxjohn:



Think local restaurants and the stock of Styrofoam they have to provide affordable take outs for their customers.

Mind u, I think it costs 100/150ngn per Styrofoam pack rn. 300ngn per plastic pack. Same time last year, Styrofoam packs cost 50ngn per pack, and 100/150ngn for plastics.

Now those local restaurants will have to dispose off their stock. What do you think will happen to the wholesale price of plastics if the cheaper alternative is immediately eradicated?
What do you think will happen to the price of the plastic takeaway packs that local restaurant sells?

Now lagos has approx 20 million people. I can assure you that about 500 thousand visit different local restaurants daily.

Those 500 thousand would get to local restaurants and be met by a new price increment. They've been facing new price increments every week since the inception of this new govt. And now they're facing a new one, because of a thoughtless Styrofoam ban.

Before you type anyhow reply, just read my reply to another anyhow response about this ban immmediately above this one

You sound so analytical, so you should know the harmful effects of plastics and the foam to both health and environment. So with your analysis, does it worth it really?

The world is talking about sustainability, reducing carbon footprints and environmental pollution. This policy is in the right direction

jmaxjohn:


Pure faced stvpidity

You won't blame the government for not providing recycling centres, or providing a working trash disposal system, or creating incentives to encourage proper disposal of trash, you'd rather use this dull analogy to justify a thoightless governmental order.

Yes, ban it. But u can't say the government has done the bare minimum to provide a proper trash disposal system for everyone.

Do you see Styrofoam littered on Victoria island to lekki phase 1? Because there are good roads. Good roads encourage trash disposal trucks to provide their services to people there.

Are there good roads on the mainland that have this Styrofoam menace?

Think b4 u type stvpid things on the Internet.

This is not about disposal alone

Advanced countries like US, Canada, Germany, UK etc are taking the same step of reducing plastic consumption. You need to be informed please. Your argument is dead on arrival.
Please don’t argue to win desperately, try to know when an argument is not making any meaning and be open to correction and improvement.

Please read from the world economic forum; cutting plastic consumption is one of the major agenda

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/reduce-plastic-pollution-unep/

madridguy:
The Lagos State Commissioner for Environment & Water Affairs should calm down and take things easy. This is peoples solely source of income and I believe there should be time frame to this.

They should take it easy when the source of income is killing people and the environment?

Some things need urgent interventions and policies will surely affect some people but it’s better for the long term benefits and overall good.

There was a time when interpreters were the biggest boys, would you say google translator and AI should slow down to save their jobs? Improvements and developments will always knock some businesses dead but it is inevitable

madridguy:
The Lagos State Commissioner for Environment & Water Affairs should calm down and take things easy. This is peoples solely source of income and I believe there should be time frame to this.

Brendaniel:


Is Nigeria prepared to stop using it?

Most Nigerians are fond of answering questions with questions...

Lagos state is prepared.....

dazzlingd:


This is not about disposal alone

Advanced countries like US, Canada, Germany, UK etc are taking the same step of reducing plastic consumption. You need to be informed please. Your argument is dead on arrival.
Please don’t argue to win desperately, try to know when an argument is not making any meaning and be open to correction and improvement.

Please read from the world economic forum; cutting plastic consumption is one of the major agenda

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/06/reduce-plastic-pollution-unep/

Do you remember the below picture? Image 1. I do. I'm old enough to.

In those 25 years, what has the lagos state government done about effective recycling and trash disposal?

It's even funnier you think I'm not aware of the cop28 conference that just happened

You say this is about the environment. Yes it is.

Are you aware though that the co2 emissions of usa is 25 times higher than ours as at 2019?

I'm all out for banning Styrofoam. It's a physical menace in lagos.

Have you asked why the ban on Styrofoam in certain top tier countries around the world?

Styrofoam is slow to degrade, and if disposed of improperly, leaches chemicals into the environment. Styrofoam manufacturing requires using hydrocarbons, which are released into the air and produce a hazardous pollutant, ground-level ozone.

What else uses hydrocarbons? Check image 2

But take note of the word SLOW TO DEGRADE.

Here's a little statistics for you

According to the EPA, in 2018, the U.S. generated 80,000 tons of polystyrene waste in the form of containers, while less than 5,000 tons of it was actually recycled.

So the usa exceeds nigeria in both co2 emissions and Styrofoam waste. No surprise there.

So why don't they just recycle?

While polystyrene is known to be cost-effective, it's unfortunately very difficult and costly to recycle (despite being stamped with the #6 “chasing arrows” symbol).
Most recycling facilities are unable to process EPS because, unlike other plastics, it's challenging to get back in its base form. Few MRFs and other recycling facilities have invested in the compacting/densifying equipment required to reform foam blocks, and the entire process is time-consuming and expensive.

So they can't recycle it because they'd rather fund wars.
They can't chuck it on a landfill because it's not pretty and it leaks chemicals into the landfill.
And won't litter their environment with it
How about burning it?

Check image 3

That brings us back to they can't fund burning it efficiently because they'd rather fund wars.

So do what? Ban it. They've made enough money from it anyways.

This brings me back to waste disposal.

You ban Styrofoam in Nigeria, you get a rise in other toxic waste materials dumped in the environment causing harm to its people

This is bad for a country with very little efficient waste disposal and recycling systems.

Ban Styrofoam yes. Then what? Won't that increase our dependency on plastic? Do Nigerians know paper plates are a more environmentally friendly option? What happens to our rising landfills? What happens to those smelly corners of waste on streets and estates?

Zero awareness. Zero reasoning. Zero education. Zero planning. Zero execution. Just straight up ban. Why? Government say e no good.

No different from the half reasoned declaration of 'subsidy is gone'. Here we are, months after, paying 9 times the price of fuel AND STILL paying subsidy. Do you not realise yet that the rise in electricity tariff is a result of that thoughtless declaration? Guess what? The government is paying subsidy on electricity too.
Did you know subsidy on electricity was quietly removed according to the last administration? Guess who paid more for subsidy in q2 of 2023.

My point? Thoughtless directives like immediate ban on Styrofoam would only put us in deeper sh!t

Reference image 4

CameroonPepper:
So what should be used in their place?

Plastic that you can use several times.

MarketDispatch:


Plastic that you can use several times.

U no get sense.
How many times do you take plastic to that eatery to do takeaway

temielects:
Like the major reason Lagos drainages are always blocked

Styrofoam is the only thing you see inside that gutter abi.

Una just foo!ish like sey God make una without brain.

U no see soil? Nylon? Plastic nko. I can't bliv I'm in this country with these brainless lot

madridguy:
The Lagos State Commissioner for Environment & Water Affairs should calm down and take things easy. This is peoples solely source of income and I believe there should be time frame to this.

will you shut up and stop being unreasonable over the forum,must it be every policy of the government that you find issues with?.

CharleyBright:
Hmmmm.
This is not Good news for those big butts women that use take-away plates to steal party rice in owambe parties.

But Lagos state govt are not even serious. Instead of seeing opportunity in the threat situation, and create mediums thru which they can create wealth and job opportunities by recycling these take-away plastics wastes, they want to kill the industries that manufacture the products.
Our leaders are bereft of innovative ideas that will spur development.
Mumu govt with mumu decision.

if you that have vission had siezed the oppprtunity and started recycling those packs blocking drainages and constituiting nuisance over the city,the government wouldnt have had reasons to ban it.

CharleyBright:
Hmmmm.
This is not Good news for those big butts women that use take-away plates to steal party rice in owambe parties.

But Lagos state govt are not even serious. Instead of seeing opportunity in the threat situation, and create mediums thru which they can create wealth and job opportunities by recycling these take-away plastics wastes, they want to kill the industries that manufacture the products.
Our leaders are bereft of innovative ideas that will spur development.
Mumu govt with mumu decision.

The main problem is how these things are disposed .. Nigerians really do not care about their environment.. Its normal habit of throwing things like this on the street and gutters with reckless abandon. Why cant we dispose garbage properly ! The whole environment is trash because of the way we choose to live . Even if government should provide street waste bin , Lagosians will either steal it or destroy it. We are just to difficult to manage .

Go and tell your uncles at home to shut up.

Lanretoye:
will you shut up and stop being unreasonable over the forum,must it be every policy of the government that you find issues with?.

De suppose bam am nationwide.

Bukola94:
I will like to visit Rwanda,Kenya and Algeria

Rwanda on my mind.
Peaceful and neat.

Lanretoye:
will you shut up and stop being unreasonable over the forum,must it be every policy of the government that you find issues with?.

Must you insult people for their humble opinion?
Everyone can't think like you. Grow up

Lazy govt.
Employ means of keeping the streets clean.
That's the local govt job.

No matter how neat the UK streets tends to be, the council have human and mechanical resources they pay every month to keep the streets clean.
Yep, it costs billions to keep streets clean.
One of the monst important ministeries and one who should have the highest budgetary allocation is the environmental.

omoharry:
The main problem is how these things are disposed .. Nigerians really do not care about their environment.. Its normal habit of throwing things like this on the street and gutters with reckless abandon. Why cant we dispose garbage properly ! The whole environment is trash because of the way we choose to live . Even if government should provide street waste bin , Lagosians will either steal it or destroy it. We are just to difficult to manage .

Govt is not trying.
That ministery should have the biggest allocation ever. For any country that you see clean streets, the govt pays dearly for it as well as put sustainable effort to make the street work by engaging its citizens always and it is continues.
When they tackle this aggressively for like 4 yrs, the pych of the citizens will start changing and even at that, they should never stop with the awareness.

I live outside Nigeria. The first thing I noticed about the city I live in is govt creating awareness in every corner on how to dispose dirt in a friendly manner when I got there. Till date, it has never changed. They have all types of machine they use to keep the streets neat, pack clusters of dirty, wash and sweep streets. Not forgetting the humans employed to pick dirty stuffs all over. People become conscious of littering stuffs around and rather dispose them appropriately at all corners. People are paid to dispose them at some certain days.
Local govts spend billions annually just to keep the environment clean.

Can your govt do that without embezzling the money?

Sleekfingers:



Most Nigerians are fond of answering questions with questions...

Lagos state is prepared.....

What did Lagos state provide as alternative to replace plastic takeaways?