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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by integrity16(m): 2:06pm On Feb 08
Kukutenla:


These are the commodities whose price are to be controlled by the price control act. Petroleum products are covered.
It was a 1978 law re-enacted in 2004

Are you aware of the newly enacted Petroleum Industry Act (PIA) that governs both the upstream midstream and downstream sectors? My point is they cannot enforce price control on petroleum products because PIA has already taken care of this.

I am not against control of prices of locally made goods, refined petroleum products are not locally made yet, maybe until dangote refinery comes on stream.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by ufotunang: 2:07pm On Feb 08
Ginik:
How possible will it be please
...that is what I have been asking...how possible
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 2:08pm On Feb 08
ivolt:

You didn't explain how the order can be enforced.

The fact that something is produced locally can't negate economic realities
when the price of a major part of production, energy was tippled.

BTW, who are those you think are making artificial gains?
by using the law that is provided to court. Am not sure how that works am not a law student.



The manufacturers and most at times the Middle men. I know this because I have deal with some of them.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by ufotunang: 2:09pm On Feb 08
How possible...if a bread seller buys bread at 350 naira and sells it at 400 naira to make 50 naira profit ..will the government tell the bread seller to sell the bread at 200 naira...how possible and the bread seller runs in a loss

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by SmartyPants(m): 2:11pm On Feb 08
Kukutenla:

Implied repeal? I don't think it is applicable in Nigeria. If a law is not expressly repealed in Nigeria, the courts view it as still valid. That's why the legislature in Nigeria is usually careful to announce any law they intend to repeal with a new piece of legislation.
Besides, price control act does not conflict with PIA since it is fixing price not setting subsidies. They are two different things

There is a difference between two Acts covering the same subject and two Acts directly conflicting on a particular issue. In the former, the two Acts can coexist but in the latter its a general principle that the latter in time should be applied. I would be most surprised if that is not the position in the Nigerian Courts. That would beg the question, how do they then choose which one to apply?

Also, there is no difference between price fixing and fuel subsidy because in order to fix fuel prices you must subsidise fuel. To ask sellers to sell at your fixed price which would be detrimental to their operations would simply be to crash your economy as no one will sell under such conditions.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by ufotunang: 2:11pm On Feb 08
hisexcellency34:
Bring down Price of Petrol and see prices of other commodities fall. But Tinubu is corn-fused and clueless
..yes that is the solution to reduce the price of fuel, disel, gas and other petroleum products
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by IfnobeGod20: 2:11pm On Feb 08
christistruth01:
Let us Just pray Nigerian Judges will not order River Niger not to flow into the Atlantic ocean again
it's as if you people are living in Arizona and not facing what is going on in the country. Last week I bought a sachet of maggi #120, today I went to buy same sachet, I was told it is now #170. Just a week, an increase in #50 of just a good. And everything is just like that. Common man staple foods are now out of their reach. Garri, yam, beans, pepper, tomato, yam flour, meat, fish, now out of the reach.
Can't you people just seat down and think of the future of this country than playing politics with critical issue of hunger or is it until it turns to unavoidable protest or death before you guys can think.
Let the poor breathe was Mr. President song but today the poor are the most vulnerable set of people in Nigeria.

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Hespee93: 2:14pm On Feb 08
SoNature:
At this point, Nigeria ought to have a price control board. How can people wake up and increase their prices without consequences? It makes no sense!

Even if we have price control board, Nigerians are adamant, they won't listen.

What you'll hear is that are you the one that buy the commodities for me?
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by ufotunang: 2:15pm On Feb 08
Bullfallo:
Fuel subsidy is what is destroying this government.

Diesel deregulation is what buhari use to destroy business and productivity.

Many businesses and factories collapsed. Radio and tv station closes by 6-9pm because they could no longer run on diesel. Hotels hijack price. Food items went above the ceiling.
Hi
Buhari went further to destroy kerosene. The saving grace was gas. He still went further to destroy gas which cause great suffering and hardship to most household.

Tinubu came in and destroy petrol. Imagine enugu to lagos is 25k-30k how much is minimum wages? From lagos to adamawa you should be budgeting 70k. Transport of 300 - 400 went up to 1k and above. School fees doubles and expenses tripled
..that is why if our refineries ate working and all these petroleum products are refined and produced in nigeria all these fuel, disel and petroleum products will be cheap and affordable

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by porthouse7(f): 2:19pm On Feb 08
surgical:
you wey no go school and lack the ability to understand is calling somebody foolish,government cannot and will not fix prices ,its outside their control, its only fuel they can fix the price because they are directly incharge of that one
go sch small, government fix price in Russia and china, Nigeria only need to enact a law
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by advanceDNA: 2:19pm On Feb 08
ufotunang:
How possible...if a bread seller buys bread at 350 naira and sells it at 400 naira to make 50 naira profit ..will the government tell the bread seller to sell the bread at 200 naira...how possible and the bread seller runs in a loss

The only way government can fix price is to pay subsidy.....
And this is why pple have been saying ....the two major exchange rate and fuel that drives this economy...government shouldn't have removed subsidy completely on both..


They removed it..claimed they saved money only to give it to state government who end up embezzling...masses are suffering from two angles..

We are a nation heavily dependent of importation..... Exchange rate cannot be fvcked with.....it will lead to problem...

.and that's why this inflation will never stop until government returns their control in the dollar market and fix exchange rate...

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 2:20pm On Feb 08
JuanDeDios:

It's frivolous. The government can't fix the prices of anything it doesn't produce.
It not!


Yes the government can't outrightly but they know what is the cause and what needed to be done. Again they can determine if u are making too much gain or not. If they are sincere and honest they can even if it technical.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 2:22pm On Feb 08
advanceDNA:


The only way government can fix price is to pay subsidy.....
And this is why pple have been saying ....the two major exchange rate and fuel that drives this economy...government shouldn't have removed subsidy completely on both..


They removed it..claimed they saved money only to give it to state government who end up embezzling...masses are suffering from two angles..

We are a nation heavily dependent of importation..... Exchange rate cannot be fvcked with.....it will lead to problem...

.and that's why this inflation will never stop until government returns their control in the dollar market and fix exchange rate...

Good but not only through subsidy.


The best is to Subsidize production cost.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Johnjustice: 2:24pm On Feb 08
Nigerians should rally round Sir Falana, people like this are who Nigerians should amplify and support, not supporting mediocres and those who steal from them. This Tinubu system seems to be benefiting the rich only, he removed subsidy, fuel price increase, general food stuff increase, the politicians are buying vehicles with billions, wasting money with the people's revenue, while the poor gain nothing.

It's a shame that the government can not create a system of subsidy or concession for the people that can not be hijacked by government workers and their criminal cronies...in these days of advanced technology, there are a lot of ways government can affect the poor and masses directly, government can discount cost of fuel for the poor, by issuing fuel cards, with which fuel is subsidized for every Nigerian directly...each citizen will have it's quota of subsidized fuel directly, this can be issued through banks, verified by BVN. Government can not throw away the baby and bathwater, government must think, politicians must think and work for the nation, this is what they collect large amounts of allowances, constituency allowances, bogus contracts, etc, etc for...make una work not just to be gluttons, Mr politicians. 80% of Nigerians survive via the informal sector and this sector formed the nucleus our local economy...high costs of fuel, food, housing, transportation, will kill this sector of economy and general population will feel the brunt, and this naturally will lead to venting of hunger, frustrations and anger by the people, in form of protests and demonstration.

Politicians do not get carried away by enjoyment, time is ticking, Nigerians of yesterday not the same of today. Work for the people now!

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by faceland: 2:25pm On Feb 08
Ginik:
How possible will it be please

Sounds like gimmick (impractical).
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by surgical: 2:26pm On Feb 08
porthouse7:
go sch small, government fix price in Russia and china, Nigeria only need to enact a law
That's the problem with you guys ,you don't look at the context,you just do copy and paste,Nigeria situation do not permit that,the way things are structured
I will take back my words when and if government decides to fix prices,even military with all their powers did not do,
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 2:27pm On Feb 08
IfnobeGod20:
it's as if you people are living in Arizona and not facing what is going on in the country. Last week I bought a sachet of maggi #120, today I went to buy same sachet, I was told it is now #170. Just a week, an increase in #50 of just a good. And everything is just like that. Common man staple foods are now out of their reach. Garri, yam, beans, pepper, tomato, yam flour, meat, fish, now out of the reach.
Can't you people just seat down and think of the future of this country than playing politics with critical issue of hunger or is it until it turns to unavoidable protest or death before you guys can think.
Let the poor breathe was Mr. President song but today the poor are the most vulnerable set of people in Nigeria.
Gbam!!!
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by advanceDNA: 2:38pm On Feb 08
khattab02:
Good but not only through subsidy.


The best is to Subsidize production cost.


U can't subsidize production cost without fixing exchange rate and directly subsidize cost of important raw materials...

In many good countries subsidy exist on many products that all citizens use directly or indirectly....e.g fuel, sugar, wheat flour...
Azerbaijan, Morocco, algeria, Tunisia, Georgia provide subsidy on flour because almost everyone eats bread, pizza, burgers etc...so they end up controlling the prices of good mades with flour

It's only Nigeria that the useless, embezzling government want to remove all subsidy so they can have more to steal....

for their empty brain...once they build road and round about they have distributed the common wealth
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Kukutenla: 2:48pm On Feb 08
integrity16:


Are you aware of the newly enacted Petroleum Industry Act (PIA) that governs both the upstream midstream and downstream sectors? My point is they cannot enforce price control on petroleum products because PIA has already taken care of this.

I am not against control of prices of locally made goods, refined petroleum products are not locally made yet, maybe until dangote refinery comes on stream.
PIA does not remove price controls, it only remove subsidy.
Majority of goods listed in the Act are not locally made. Check again
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by oyatz(m): 2:51pm On Feb 08
hisexcellency34:
Bring down Price of Petrol and see prices of other commodities fall. But Tinubu is corn-fused and clueless

Don't worry, the court is likely to give judgement that petrol stations should start selling petrol at #200 per Litre
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Kukutenla: 2:52pm On Feb 08
SmartyPants:


There is a difference between two Acts covering the same subject and two Acts directly conflicting on a particular issue. In the former, the two Acts can coexist but in the latter its a general principle that the latter in time should be applied. I would be most surprised if that is not the position in the Nigerian Courts. That would beg the question, how do they then choose which one to apply?

Also, there is no difference between price fixing and fuel subsidy because in order to fix fuel prices you must subsidise fuel. To ask sellers to sell at your fixed price which would be detrimental to their operations would simply be to crash your economy as no one will sell under such conditions.
Implied repeal is not applicable in US courts as well.
They choose the one that is most in conformity with the Constitution of the general principles guiding the sector under review.
There is. Subsidy implies selling goods below actual cost by paying part of the cost. Price fixing involves fair pricing mechanism which sometimes is determined by prevailing market conditions. It's supposes to guard against unfair pricing to kill competition and such other market practice. It can actually go both ways
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by JuanDeDios: 2:54pm On Feb 08
khattab02:
It not!


Yes the government can't outrightly but they know what is the cause and what needed to be done. Again[b] they can determine if u are making too much gain or not[/b]. If they are sincere and honest they can even if it technical.
They can't. Prices are determined by market forces. Only thing government can do is bring back subsidies, which will reduce transport fares and thus reduce food prices. But this option is fraught with problems too.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by tj2018: 2:55pm On Feb 08
Are you still calling Buhari? Tinubu should just fix the mess he has created. He wanted to please the west, now he is stuck on what to do. This whole problem started with the floating of currency, you can not float the dollar when you are importing more than you are exporting. even Buhari refused to further devalue the naira when he realized himself....... What is happening to Naira is lost of Confidence in Naira, so everyone wants dollar at any cost.
Bullfallo:
Fuel subsidy is what is destroying this government.

Diesel deregulation is what buhari use to destroy business and productivity.

Many businesses and factories collapsed. Radio and tv station closes by 6-9pm because they could no longer run on diesel. Hotels hijack price. Food items went above the ceiling.

Buhari went further to destroy kerosene. The saving grace was gas. He still went further to destroy gas which cause great suffering and hardship to most household.

Tinubu came in and destroy petrol. Imagine enugu to lagos is 25k-30k how much is minimum wages? From lagos to adamawa you should be budgeting 70k. Transport of 300 - 400 went up to 1k and above. School fees doubles and expenses tripled
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 3:04pm On Feb 08
JuanDeDios:

They can't. Prices are determined by market forces. Only thing government can do is bring back subsidies, which will reduce transport fares and thus reduce food prices. But this option is fraught with problems too.
see the government make policies and decisions. They know what to do.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 3:11pm On Feb 08
advanceDNA:



U can't subsidize production cost without fixing exchange rate and directly subsidize cost of important raw materials...

In many good countries subsidy exist on many products that all citizens use directly or indirectly....e.g fuel, sugar, wheat flour...
Azerbaijan, Morocco, algeria, Tunisia, Georgia provide subsidy on flour because almost everyone eats bread, pizza, burgers etc...so they end up controlling the prices of good mades with flour

It's only Nigeria that the useless, embezzling government want to remove all subsidy so they can have more to steal....

for their empty brain...once they build road and round about they have distributed the common wealth
Tor u have said it na..



Again not all products we import raw material.


Rice, garri, sugar, flour, oil, tomatoes etc all these we can produce and have their raw materials. But our government are damn too lazy to look into them. Hence playing politics and embezzling
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Ijaya123: 3:26pm On Feb 08
hisexcellency34:
Bring down Price of Petrol and see prices of other commodities fall. But Tinubu is corn-fused and clueless

Do you know that you can also apply for licence to import petrol and start selling for N200 per litre or cheaper as you desire?

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by integrity16(m): 3:27pm On Feb 08
Kukutenla:

PIA does not remove price controls, it only remove subsidy.
Majority of goods listed in the Act are not locally made. Check again

Have you read the PIA regulation?? I don't think so but I will lessen the burden for you.

There is a provision for cost recovery and pricing under the PIA. On market-based pricing, Section 205 of the PIA mandates that market-based principles determine the prices of petroleum products in the downstream sector.

Section 208 of the Act develops a pricing framework that will ensure reasonable returns to operators in the sector while protecting the interests of consumers.

Section 207 of the PIA provides that the pricing of petroleum products shall be cost-reflective. This means that the price of a product should reflect the cost of producing, transporting, and distributing the product.”

Section 169 of the PIA provides that the prices of petroleum products in the downstream sector align with the pricing framework. The Authority can sanction any operator contravening the pricing regulations.

From the above, you can see that pricing concerns has already been taken care of by the PIA. The Price Control Act can't hold sway in the oil industry
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by Kukutenla: 3:37pm On Feb 08
integrity16:


Have you read the PIA regulation?? I don't think so but I will lessen the burden for you.

There is a provision for cost recovery and pricing under the PIA. On market-based pricing, Section 205 of the PIA mandates that market-based principles determine the prices of petroleum products in the downstream sector.

Section 208 of the Act develops a pricing framework that will ensure reasonable returns to operators in the sector while protecting the interests of consumers.

Section 207 of the PIA provides that the pricing of petroleum products shall be cost-reflective. This means that the price of a product should reflect the cost of producing, transporting, and distributing the product.”

Section 169 of the PIA provides that the prices of petroleum products in the downstream sector align with the pricing framework. The Authority can sanction any operator contravening the pricing regulations.

From the above, you can see that pricing concerns has already been taken care of by the PIA. The Price Control Act can't hold sway in the oil industry


Everything you've written is what price control act also does just that this time, it is the regulator that's expected to carry out such functions.
None of the above means removal of subsidy.
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by DeepNuggets: 3:41pm On Feb 08
As it should be, when no be say na banana republic we dey.
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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by advanceDNA: 3:44pm On Feb 08
khattab02:
Tor u have said it na..



Again not all products we import raw material.


Rice, garri, sugar, flour, oil, tomatoes etc all these we can produce and have their raw materials. But our government are damn too lazy to look into them. Hence playing politics and embezzling

The fertilizers used in planting them is a raw material and it's imported...in 2022 we spent a staggering $302 million on fertilizer import....

We are so heavily dependent on imports that the government should have known not to fvck with exchange rate ....they just thought floating the currency will make it fix itself....

They listen to IMF that doesn't wanna give them loan and also want to buy their oil and other resources for cheap price after destroying our naira

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Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by fabolouz1(m): 3:51pm On Feb 08
There used to be a price control board but the politicians messed up everything .
Re: Court Orders FG To Fix Price Of Goods, Petroleum Within 7 Days by khattab02: 4:02pm On Feb 08
advanceDNA:


The fertilizers used in planting them is a raw material and it's imported...in 2022 we spent a staggering $302 million on fertilizer import....

We are so heavily dependent on imports that the government should have known not to fvck with exchange rate ....they just thought floating the currency will make it fix itself....

They listen to IMF that doesn't wanna give them loan and also want to buy their oil and other resources for cheap price after destroying our naira
Agreed.


We can still produce the fertilizers here. We have some fertilizer companies.



The FG and some cabals knows what they get when they import what we can produce here, they also know what they can get when the mess with the exchange rate.



Beans, soya beans, groundnut, tomatoes, millet, okra, bitter leaves, spinach, cassava, sweet Potatoes and some others do not need fertilizer.

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