gohf:

Being under a son of God is dominion, being a wife to a child of the devil can be oppression.

PulsingPurple:
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Steep

Going through my opinion again, I'm not sure I made the impression that men and women are equal.

Steep:

I thank God you Said your opinions, however, you got it all wrong about Christian leadership. It is not about being domineering it is about care and direction as well as service for the good and well being of the church or family as the case maybe.

Secondly, you were wrong that Adam only became the leader as a result of sin, no, God made Adam and held him responsible and it was not the man that was created for the woman but the woman was created for the man. 1cor 11vv9.

The point wasn't that Adam became a leader due to sin, but that Adam was given dominion over his wife after she sinned.

Thirdly, leadership in the church and family is primarily for the males, this is to reflect God's original order which is God- man- woman, even in the church and family it is God- christ- the man - woman, it has nothing to do with education status or wealth or other worldly qualification.
After Adam and eve sinned the leadership of a man became a quest to constantly subdue the woman because man became a fallen creature as well as woman.
But that curse is removed when the man is subject to christ as well as the woman, that is why Christians are advised not to marry unbelievers because unbelievers are not subject to christ.

Blakjewelry:
Men gave dominion men dominion over women because men wrote the rules including the Bible.

PulsingPurple:

Did God Actually Give Man Dominion Over Woman?
Did God Tell Males To Dominate The Females?
Are Men Overdoing Themselves And Exerting Unnecessary Authority Over Women?

Gift96:


It's not just because the Bible has apportioned dominance, it's because nature has deem it fit that way. Feminism is against NATURE

PulsingPurple:

It is here that we see an introduction to huge changes that shifts the Dominion Balance.
The man and woman still have dominion over Earth, but the Earth has been commanded to struggle with the man in particular, the Earth has been ordered to stress him up before feeding him.

Veecruz:


Where did you see the bible say a man dominates a woman?

PulsingPurple:

Do we see that this is where God finally gives man dominion over woman?
Wait, that's a lie! God didn't do that.
He actually instilled in the woman the desire to have/be with a husband, and then gave the husband dominion over the wife.

Steep:
The error in this taught process is the view that leadership is about dominating others...

Steep:
So many errors and twisting in order to advance an agenda.
Abeg where was it written that the earth would struggle under Adam? Or is it not that Adam will toil and the earth would not yield its strength?

gohf:
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Being under a son of God is dominion, being a wife to a child of the devil can be oppression.

Gift96:


Where did you see the Bible say a man does not dominate woman?

Steep:
same feminism nonsense who told you Paul said women should keep quiet because the women were less educated?
The reason why a man is preferred to be a pastor is explicitly stated 1 tim 2vv12, it is not because of lack of education it is because a woman is not suppose to exercise authority over a man.
Deborah became a judge over Israel because Israel has fallen, it was a judgment on Israel, and moreover, the church is not Israel, Israel had kings that were polygamous but a church is not to have a polygamous man as overseer it has nothing to do with education or status.

Veecruz:


And no where did the bible give nor say men have dominion over women.

It rather Said, There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Blakjewelry:

It doesn't need to explicitly spell it out, you can see that all the importance task are assign to men, we are talking about intentions here.

Veecruz:


A Leader dominates.

Steep:
That is for world leadership not Christian leadership.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Veecruz:


It clearly spelt it out that we had dominion ovet the earth.

Anyway, i have explained, in answer to the op why and what basis there is an imbalance and inequality.

truespeak:


Note that Paul stated "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."

Meaning his opinion on the matter and not God's. For he very well knows God can use anyone even babes as He pleases, as He used Deborah and no man could fault God's choice.

Men do not have dominion over a woman, women simply fell from their place due to their sins which has given the men the advantage. But all it takes is for a woman to be righteous from her youth up and you would find no man has any advantage over her.

PulsingPurple:
The point wasn't that Adam became a leader due to sin, but that Adam was given dominion over his wife after she sinned.

Blakjewelry:

Why was it stated that women shouldn't speak in church according to Corinthians 14:34–35.
Abi you want make begin bring tons version to show you that women are relegated to the background?

Veecruz:


True! But i think ye appreciate that the domination by politicians cannot be compared to the sweet and gentle and friendly domination which christ exerted over His disciples hence the parable of the servant who treated his fellow seevants wickedly and harshly. Mathew 24:48-51

Truth is Leaders have power and they dominate (rule) but, there are good leaders and 98% of people are evil leaders, both male and female.

Steep:
if a woman is righteous she would know that she ought to submit to the leadership of her husband.

Paul as an apostle had the authority to speak and set doctrine for the church, as you can see below.
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

truespeak:
■ Note that Paul stated "I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet." Meaning his opinion on the matter and not God's. For he very well knows God can use anyone even babes as He pleases, as He used Deborah and no man could fault God's choice.
■ Men do not have dominion over a woman, women simply fell from their place due to their sins which has given the men the advantage. But all it takes is for a woman to be righteous from her youth up and you would find no man has any advantage over her.

Kobojunkie:
1. Exactly!! But the average religionist does not even realize this at all.

2. What God said in Genesis 3 vs 16 applies only to the woman to the particular man. She was cursed in marriage and her husband with her as as a result. Unmarried women were not included as part of that particular curse but that hasn't stopped even the married man from attempting to assert his rule over even women not married to him. That is to show that what you see, especially amongst the religious, has more to do with the wickedness of the hearts of men and not of God at all.

truespeak:


Submit is not domination which is my case.

Respectfully, Paul's authority is not in issue so there is nothing to address here.

truespeak:
■ Any woman who deviates from righteousness whether married or unmarried enters into the curse reserved for women which is why she suffers at the hands of men whether husband, brother, boyfriend even male stranger and every woman knows this.
■ Righteousness is the way. Every other way is curse.

27 A large crowd followed Jesus. Some of the women were sad and crying. They felt sorry for him.
28 But Jesus turned and said to the women, “Women of Jerusalem, don’t cry for me. Cry for yourselves and for your children too.
29 The time is coming when people will say, ‘The women who cannot have babies are the ones God has blessed. It’s really a blessing that they have no children to care for.’
30 Then the people will say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us!’ They will say to the hills, ‘Cover us!’
31 If this can happen to someone who is good, what will happen to those who are guilty?” - Luke 23 vs 27 - 31

Steep:
No, you implied it.
Paul also, said 'I' in the verse below, does it also mean it is just his personal opinion?

1 Timothy 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

When Paul use the word 'I say' it means it is not a direct command from the Lord but it is in line with the will of the Lord.

Steep:

christ have the power to dominate us but he does not do so, the same thing with a husband though he has authority over his wife but he does not dominatinate her, this is kingdom leadership. Leadership in the kingdom is an opportunity to serve and self sacrifice, it is not an opportunity for oppression and dominating.
The leadership of the world is not the example a Christian should follow but christ.

truespeak:


There was no implication.

I spoke to the issue you raised in Timothy as your ground and showed you he was speaking as he opined and purposely, knowing God can use anyone. So he spoke carefully as a Lawyer would.

You chose to raise authority which as I answered you is not in issue. For I didn't question Paul's authority so your raising it is off point.

Kobojunkie:
1. Deviate from righteousness? That isn't true at all. That curse is on the heads of every woman who enters into marriage whether righteous or unrighteous. God never said only those who are righteous in marriage will the curse not impact.