cap28:

Horus is 100% spot on - africans are the only race of people who beg and plead to be allowed to mix their genes with other races - when will you dumb self loathing fools understand that all other races look upon africans with contempt - they dont want to be a part of you - only the rejects and failures amongst them want to be affiliated with blacks and even then they feel they are doing you a favour.

how many affluent whites do you see marrying and having children with black people - even the rich blacks opt for white rejects because most whites feel that they are above black people - blacks have no business mixing their genes with whites especially educated and affluent blacks - KEEP YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND WEALTH WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY JUST LIKE OTHER RACES DO - when was the last time an affluent chinese, arab or indian married a black person?? EVERY OTHER RACE PUTS THEIR OWN PEOPLE BEFORE OTHERS EXCEPT AFRICANS - CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME - LEARN TO PLACE YOUR OWN PEOPLE ON A PEDESTAL RATHER THAN OUTSIDERS WHO HATE YOU.

This man reminds me of Malcolm X.

Not sure why this thread has reached this number of pages.

If that zimbabwe man likes let him and his fiance not move somewhere where interracial couples are the norm.

He should stay his black asss there in kentucky and continue fighting for his right to date a white woman.

Ko seni to ma ko later.

40 members church? what kind of church be that? i wonder how much is in their offering plate.
they all can't even fill my dinner table. . . child's play. the guy should move to better place with great opportunity.

cap28:

imagine comparing intimate deviance with race!!!!

homos.exuality was regarded as a mental illness in the western world up until the late 1960s in the very countries that are now championing it - the white man dictates the agenda and you follow unquestioningly - you should ask yourself the agenda behind the promotion of homo.sexuality - what does it do the moral fabric of society? these are questions you have failed to ask yourself due to unswerving acceptance and allegiance to any garbabe that comes out of the mouth of the white man.

dont you ever compare being black to the sick twisted and abnormal behaviour of hom.osexuals.

africans and people of african descent do not regard homo.sexuality as normal behaviour - european society is now in a state of moral decay due to its encouragement of such perverse behaviour.

You think that I'm in support of homosexuality. What you fail to understand is that I'm against hypocrisy.

That church can also provide a compelling argument to substantiate its stand against interracial marriage and for as long as it believes what it believes in, it will remain right for them. But because what they believe in unfairly discriminates against others it will be hypocritical for them to admonish others who also discriminate albeit differently. Hence I think that this thread titled "Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige" is hypocritical. The "Wtf!" suggests that there is something wrong with a church that discriminates according to race while it's okay for a society to discriminate according to s3xual orientation.

paniki:

You think that I'm in support of homosexuality. What you fail to understand is that I'm against hypocrisy.

That church can also provide a compelling argument to substantiate its stand against interracial marriage and for as long as it believes what it believes in, it will remain right for them. But because what they believe in unfairly discriminates against others it will be hypocritical for them to admonish others who also discriminate albeit differently. Hence I think that this thread titled "Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marraige" is hypocritical. The "Wtf!" suggests that there is something wrong with a church that discriminates according to race while it's okay for a society to discriminate according to s3xual orientation.

well the so called christian church is a hypocritical institution in itself - you should try researcing the history of the vatican church - did you know they funded and supported Hitler's nazi germany?

also the roman catholic church supported the institution of slavery and churches were built above slave dungeons on the west african coast therefore the so called european christian church is not what i would regard as a symbol of righteousness.

homos.xuality is sexually deviant behaviour just as paedophilia is sexually deviant behaviour - therefore there is no basis for putting it on the same footing as any discussion about race.

hypocrisy does not arise here because the two issues are completely different.

there is absolutely no compelling argument that a white person can give that will justify their racism towards blacks given their track record towards the black race.

every evil they have perpetrated against the black race has been motivated out of their desire to promote white supremacy and the need to oppress, subjugate and appropriate our natural resources.

Their pseudo scientific justifications that the black man has no soul and needs to be saved from himself as espoused by Darwin and other racists has been exposed for what it is - a sick lie and an excuse for all of the heinous crimes that they have committed and continue to commit against african people .

we africans have a right to reject the moral bankruptcy of a race of people who still regard african people as an inferior race of people - america's entire foundation was built on rap.e, theft and murder - they are not in a position to stand in judgement on anyone anywhere in the world.

cap28:

Horus is 100% spot on - africans are the only race of people who beg and plead to be allowed to mix their genes with other races - when will you dumb self loathing fools understand that all other races look upon africans with contempt - they dont want to be a part of you - only the rejects and failures amongst them want to be affiliated with blacks and even then they feel they are doing you a favour.

He may be spot on in promoting "african" pride in relation to how other so called "races" view the mixing of African genes with theirs however the  overwhelming fact still remains that populations of people all through history have swapped and continue to swap genes as a function of human survival and human evolution.

What constitutes "desirable' phenotypical traits or genes is constructed by 'social" engineering  influenced by the history between so called "white" people vs so called 'black" people.

cap28:


how many affluent whites do you see marrying and having children with black people - even the rich blacks opt for white rejects because most whites feel that they are above black people - blacks have no business mixing their genes with whites especially educated and affluent blacks - KEEP YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND WEALTH WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY JUST LIKE OTHER RACES DO - when was the last time an affluent chinese, arab or indian married a black person?? EVERY OTHER RACE PUTS THEIR OWN PEOPLE BEFORE OTHERS EXCEPT AFRICANS - CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME - LEARN TO PLACE YOUR OWN PEOPLE ON A PEDESTAL RATHER THAN OUTSIDERS WHO HATE YOU.

You buffons can continue to huff and puff about how we need to uphold the race' but the scientific fact still remains that as a part of natural selection and human evolution ,It is necessary to continue to  diversify genotypes with all the pools of gene sequencing that exists inthe world today regardless of what a few social evolutionist continue to propagate and humans will continue to do it regardles of social boundaries. It is inevitable because it is nature.

In other words you are free to run off to some island or some comunnity or church some where and engineer your kind by seperating yourself from the rest of humanity in the name of some idealistic agenda of upholding your "race"  but pleae by all means do not try to convince us  that this thought process constitues any sort of scientific or natural truth. It is no more than social engieering and should remian in that realm.

FACTS TRUMP SENTIMENTS ANY DAY!

cap28:


Their pseudo scientific justifications that the black man has no soul and needs to be saved from himself as espoused by Darwin and other racists has been exposed for what it is - a sick lie and an excuse for all of the heinous crimes that they have committed and continue to commit against african people .

Wow! I didn't know Darwin espoused that theory. Fascinating. Can you direct us to the source in his origins of the species?

cap28:

homos.xuality is sexually deviant behaviour just as paedophilia is sexually deviant behaviour - therefore there is no basis for putting it on the same footing as any discussion about race.

How can relate homosexuality to paedophilia? A homosexual relationship goes beyond the physical(I would suggest that you stop basing your assumption of homosexuality on the lesbian blue movies you watch). A homosexual relationship is consentual, emotional as well as physical, the patner wishes to see his patner grow, nurtured and suceed. Does a paedophile have any emotional feelings(love) towards a child? Is the relationship consentual? Does the paedophile nurture the child? No, paedophiles are evil beasts, that use children for their own pleasure and place all shame on the child to relieve themselves of guilt. They are parasites, that benefit to the detriment to the other party. Homosexual relationships between consenting adults are filled with the same nurturing you find with heterosexual relationships. I see absolutely nothing wrong with them.

once again, as usual, a discussion about black dating or s.exual habits, becomes a discussion about homos.exuality only.

ok.

**shrugs**

Horus:


This theory of the environment and gene is theorynot a Fact. The polar bear analysis that was done by the Discovery Channel helps prove my point.  If you shave the hair off a polar bear, the skin beneath is black.  In nature the skin of the polar bear is black to absorb as much heat and light as possible to keep the arctic animal warm in its environment.  It is also true for the Eskimo (Inuit) who have a lot of melanin even in a very cold environment. (Do your own research to find out)

I don't know what that example above is trying to conclude as regards polar bears or Inuits or if you are aware of what you say when you say gene mutations is theory. if you are trying to say that people who live in colder climates are inherently able to  produce melanin then you are correct. Hoever there will be varying degrees of such production levels and certain population will always have higher levels than others. It is not a coincidence that populations that inhabit tropical regions retained more melanin producing abilities as a function of evolution compared to populations that inhabit colder regions. The evidence is in the fact that an inuit is not as dark as an African  because of varying levels of ultra violet ray exposure as a function of gene interactons with the enviroment ergo Mutations.


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Horus:

ere again you deal with beliefs, not facts. All phenotypes exist within the black family. Asian people are only the semi-recessive descendants of their ancestors who were a black African tribe with slanted eyes. The man on left (Picture) is the original Chinese of China. The man on the right (Picture) is the Chinese of today. White people are the albinos of a specific group of Africans and have inherited those people’s phenotypes.  They try to imply that their phenotypes were originally theirs and that if you see people of African descent with these features, they inherited them from white people. Nothing is further from the truth.  Blacks are the genetic parents. And yes "caucasians" cannot produce anything other than themselves. A couple of caucasians with blond hairs and blue eyes cannot produce a dark skinned African with whooly hair and big lips. (Do your research). Don't deal with beliefs, deal with Facts only.

The above simply demosntrates that you really are not familar with what you are trying to imply. Ancient African groups that lived 100,000 years ago did not look like Contemporary African groups. As populations move and interact with their enviroments, they bottle neck and begin to form similar genotypical and phenotypical traits. Subsequent movements carry certain genotypes with them which form additional variations as they continue to interect with the environment. The traits that sustain and promote survival will be retained by the populations. There is a reason why an Arid dwelling African would exhibit predominat traits of longer limb proprotions and a slimmer build in comparison to a more robust rainforest farming African. There a reason why an arctic dwelling wolf woul exihibit white fur skin compared to a savannah dwelling Wolf which would retain fur that is adapeted to its enviroment.

This is not beleif my space man friend. Your melanin arguemnt is flawed as regards animals

paniki:

You shouldn't get emotional. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of this thread; I'm not passing judgement on Nigeria. You say same-sex marriage is not part of your culture: PERIOD!!! All well and good. But you must also consider that maybe interracial marriage is not part of that churches culture: PERIOD!!! Therefore you must also except that and not open or engage in a thread titled "Wtf! US Church Bans Interracial Marriage"

You then go on to ramble on how Boers have eroded our culture by influencing same-sex tolerance in our society. This just displays your limited understanding of even the basics. You clearly don't know that it is the whites, especially the church going whites, who were most opposed to the legalisation of same-sex marriage. Even black people conducted marches and protest against the civil union bill.

Same-sex marriage is only legal in South Africa because the Constitutional Court ordered parliament to make it legal based on the constitutions section 9 (3) which reads "The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, s3xual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4487756.stm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/01/AR2005120100583.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_South_Africa

In most countries were same-sex marriage is legal it is usually because of judicial interference based on fundamental human rights of non-discrimination

Then stick to topic. Anytime you come on here with your preconceived notion about Nigeria on any issue whatsoever, you will be called to order.

I cannot engage in a constructive and logical argument with you. Because your reasoning and approach to issue is biased to begin with. Your syntax is a testament to that.  To redirect your thinking faculty, never equate Homosexuality with Interracial marriage. You need to rediscover yourself. You are simply lost.

morpheus24:

Wow! I didn't know Darwin espoused that theory. Fascinating. Can you direct us to the source in his origins of the species?

actually that was the conclusion of his followers - the european  ruling classes who financed and supported the transatlantic slave trade and later colonialism (including the roman catholic church)  - they needed a justification for the atrocities they were committing against african peoples and the based their justification on Darwin's pseudo scientific "theory" that black africans belonged to a lower species of the human race - As a matter of fact Darwin espoused something far worse than his followers - here is what he said in his book The Descent of Man:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes,  will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. 2


Darwin regarded blacks (negroes) and australian aborigines as being closer to gorillas than caucasians  -he prophesied that a time would come when the more civilised race (the caucasians) would do away with blacks and aborigines once and for all.

He beleived that blacks will eventually be eliminated by natural selection.

Eugenics or race hygiene as it came to be euphemistically known by white american "scholars" is based on Darwin's beleif that blacks are members of an inferior race - Eugenics states that certain groups in society (blacks, man-loving-men and the mentally unstable) shoudl be exterminated to make way for a super race (the caucasian race) - try researching Eugenics - Adolf Hitler based his beleif in the ubermensch (superman) on this "theory".

some of Obama's current advisers are staunch followers of this doctrine.

zolzlolz:

How can relate homosexuality to paedophilia? A Same-sex relationship goes beyond the physical(I would suggest that you stop basing your assumption of homosexuality on the lady-loving-lady blue movies you watch). A Same-sex relationship is consentual, emotional as well as physical, the patner wishes to see his patner grow, nurtured and suceed. Does a paedophile have any emotional feelings(love) towards a child? Is the relationship consentual? Does the paedophile nurture the child? No, paedophiles are evil beasts, that use children for their own pleasure and place all shame on the child to relieve themselves of guilt. They are parasites, that benefit to the detriment to the other party. Same-sex relationships between consenting adults are filled with the same nurturing you find with heterosexual relationships. I see absolutely nothing wrong with them.

there is nothing wholesome or loving about an.al penetration

when i look at the lifestyles of gay men in the UK they do not come across as content and happy, many of them engage in "cruising" or hunting for anonymous s.ex in parks and public toilets - is that your idea of a loving, fulfilling emotional relationship?

everything about them is based on superficiality - the gay community revel in shallow, trivialities - their very existence is unnatural - what you have failed to understand is that they are a major threat to the very fabric of society - what you are advocating is for society to be turned on its head - where men can now openly cavort with other men and where the family unit is relegated to the dustbin of history - we will not tolerate such an assault on our cultural values in africa.

i equate homo.sexuality to paedophilia because both involve sexually abnormal behaviour and shoudl both be condemned.

morpheus:

Racism and Darwinism

[b]The greatest influence in the sudden development of racism in the 19th century Europe was the replacement of the Christian belief that "God created all people equal" by "Darwinism". By suggesting that man had evolved from more primitive creatures, and that some races had evolved further than others, it provided racism with a scientific mask.

[b]In short, Darwin is the father of racism. His theory was taken up and commented on by such 'official' founders of racism as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, and the racist ideology which emerged was then put into practice by the Nazis and other fascists. James Joll, who spent long years as a professor of history at universities such as Oxford, Stanford, and Harvard, explained the relationship between Darwinism and racism in his book Europe Since 1870, which is still taught as a textbook in universities:

Charles Darwin, the English naturalist whose books On the Origin of Species, published in 1859, and The Descent of Man, which followed in 1871, launched controversies which affected many branches of European thought… The ideas of Darwin, and of some of his contemporaries such as the English philosopher Herbert Spencer, …were rapidly applied to questions far removed from the immediate scientific ones… The element of Darwinism which appeared most applicable to the development of society was the belief that the excess of population over the means of support necessitated a constant struggle for survival in which it was the strongest or the 'fittest' who won. From this it was easy for some social thinkers to give a moral content to the notion of the fittest, so that the species or races which did survive were those morally entitled to do so.[/b]

The doctrine of natural selection could, therefore, very easily become associated with another train of thought developed by the French writer, Count Joseph-Arthur Gobineau, who published an Essay on the Inequality of Human Races in 1853. Gobineau insisted that the most important factor in development was race; and that those races which remained superior were those which kept their racial purity intact. Of these, according to Gobineau, it was the Aryan race which had survived best… It was,  Houston Stewart Chamberlain who contributed to carrying some of these ideas a stage further… Hitler himself admired the author (Chamberlain) sufficiently to visit him on his deathbed in 1927. [2]

The evolutionist German biologist Ernst Haeckel is one of the most important of Nazism's spiritual fathers. Haeckel brought Darwin's theory to Germany, and prepared it as a program ready for the Nazis. From racists such as Arthur Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain Hitler took over a politically-centred racism, and a biological one from Haeckel. Careful inspection will reveal that the inspiration behind all these racists came from Darwinism.

http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/thesocial.htm

cap28:

there is nothing wholesome or loving about an.al penetration

A man loving a man goes beyond intimacy, don't you get that?

cap28:

when i look at the lifestyles of man-lover men in the UK they do not come across as content and happy, many of them engage in "cruising" or hunting for anonymous s.ex in parks and public toilets - is that your idea of a loving, fulfilling emotional relationship?

Maybe they are not content and happy, because of the stigma and the intolerance by others that comes with being homosexual. A lot of these men go on the 'down low' because of the fear of backlash from their communities

cap28:

what you are advocating is for society to be turned on its head - where men can now openly cavort with other men and where the family unit is relegated to the dustbin of history

I am advocating equality and justice. Who said gay men or women can't start families? Just because they cannot procreate doesn't mean they don't the right to care for children. And no, the children won't be gay.

cap28:

i equate homo.sexuality to paedophilia because both involve sexually abnormal behaviour and shoudl both be condemned.

oh good, you're a glorified bigot

cap28:

there is nothing wholesome or loving about an.al penetration

A man loving a man goes beyond intimacy, don't you get that?

cap28:

when i look at the lifestyles of man-lover men in the UK they do not come across as content and happy, many of them engage in "cruising" or hunting for anonymous s.ex in parks and public toilets - is that your idea of a loving, fulfilling emotional relationship?

Maybe they are not content and happy, because of the stigma and the intolerance by others that comes with being homosexual. A lot of these men go on the 'down low' because of the fear of backlash from their communities

cap28:

what you are advocating is for society to be turned on its head - where men can now openly cavort with other men and where the family unit is relegated to the dustbin of history

I am advocating equality and justice. Who said gay men or women can't start families? Just because they cannot procreate doesn't mean they don't the right to care for children. And no, the children won't be gay.

cap28:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes,  will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. 2

Clever boy!. You use the same excerps conspicuously out of context that most propagandist use in reference to Darwins theories. Riddle me this though. Why would the same person that made those statements make these same statements as well

[b]I will not even allude to the many heart-sickening atrocities which I authentically heard of; -- nor would I have mentioned the above revolting details, had I not met with several people, so blinded by the constitutional gaiety of the negro as to speak of slavery as a tolerable evil. Such people have generally visited at the houses of the upper classes, where the domestic slaves are usually well treated, and they have not, like myself, lived amongst the lower classes. Such inquirers will ask slaves about their condition; they forget that the slave must indeed be dull, who does not calculate on the chance of his answer reaching his master's ears.

It is often attempted to palliate slavery by comparing the state of slaves with our poorer countrymen: if the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin; but how this bears on slavery, I cannot see; as well might the use of the thumb-screw be defended in one land, by showing that men in another land suffered from some dreadful disease. Those who look tenderly at the slave owner, and with a cold heart at the slave, never seem to put themselves into the position of the latter; what a cheerless prospect, with not even a hope of change! picture to yourself the chance, ever hanging over you, of your wife and your little children -- those objects which nature urges even the slave to call his own -- being torn from you and sold like beasts to the first bidder! And these deeds are done and palliated by men, who profess to love their neighbours as themselves, who believe in God, and pray that his Will be done on earth! It makes one's blood boil, yet heart tremble, to think that we Englishmen and our American descendants, with their boastful cry of liberty, have been and are so guilty:
- The Voyage of the Beagle; Charles Darwin, 1839[/b]

@Cap 28

how about this excerp from the same book. What does that conclusion allude to. Hmmmm?

[b]The western nations of Europe, who now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors, and stand at the summit of civilization, owe little or none of their superiority to direct inheritance from the old Greeks, though they owe much to the written works of that wonderful people.

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The more efficient causes of progress seem to consist of a good education during youth whilst the brain is impressible, and of a high standard of excellence, inculcated by the ablest and best men, embodied in the laws, customs and traditions of the nation, and enforced by public opinion. It should, however, be borne in mind, that the enforcement of public opinion depends on our appreciation of the approbation and disapprobation of others; and this appreciation is founded on our sympathy, which it can hardly be doubted was originally developed through natural selection as one of the most important elements of the social instincts.
- Charles Darwin; The Descent of Man, 1871

Important as the struggle for existence has been and even still is, yet as far as the highest part of man's nature is concerned there are other agencies more important. For the moral qualities are advanced, either directly or indirectly, much more through the effects of habit, the reasoning powers, instruction, religion, &c., than through natural selection;
- Charles Darwin; The Descent of Man, 1871

The moral faculties are generally and justly esteemed as of higher value than the intellectual powers. But we should bear in mind that the activity of the mind in vividly recalling past impressions is one of the fundamental though secondary bases of conscience. This affords the strongest argument for educating and stimulating in all possible ways the intellectual faculties of every human being.
- Charles Darwin; The Descent of Man, 1871[/b]

^^^^

There's even more:

[b]My wife has just finished reading aloud your 'Life with a Black Regiment,' and you must allow me to thank you heartily for the very great pleasure which it has in many ways given us. I always thought well of the negroes, from the little which I have seen of them; and I have been delighted to have my vague impressions confirmed, and their character and mental powers so ably discussed. When you were here I did not know of the noble position which you had filled. I had formerly read about the black regiments, but failed to connect your name with your admirable undertaking. Although we enjoyed greatly your visit to Down, my wife and myself have over and over again regretted that we did not know about the black regiment, as we should have greatly liked to have heard a little about the South from your own lips.

Your descriptions have vividly recalled walks taken forty years ago in Brazil. We have your collected Essays, which were kindly sent us by Mr. Conway, but have not yet had time to read them. I occasionally glean a little news of you in the 'Index'; and within the last hour have read an interesting article of yours on the progress of Free Thought.
- Letter from Darwin to Thomas Higginson, February 27, 1873[/b]

^^^

and even more and more

I was told before leaving England that after living in slave countries all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the negro character. It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him; such cheerful, open, honest expressions and such fine muscular bodies. I never saw any of the diminutive Portuguese, with their murderous countenances, without almost wishing for Brazil to follow the example of Haiti; and, considering the enormous healthy-looking black population, it will be wonderful if, at some future day, it does not take place.
- Letter from Darwin to J.S. Henslo, March 1834

^^^^

last one, I promise

[b]Fitz-Roy's temper was a most unfortunate one. It was usually worst in the early morning, and with his eagle eye he could generally detect something amiss about the ship, and was then unsparing in his blame. He was very kind to me, but was a man very difficult to live with on the intimate terms which necessarily followed from our messing by ourselves in the same cabin. We had several quarrels; for instance, early in the voyage at Bahia, in Brazil, he defended and praised slavery, which I abominated, and told me that he had just visited a great slave-owner, who had called up many of his slaves and asked them whether they were happy, and whether they wished to be free, and all answered "No." I then asked him, perhaps with a sneer, whether he thought that the answer of slaves in the presence of their master was worth anything? This made him excessively angry, and he said that as I doubted his word we could not live any longer together. I thought that I should have been compelled to leave the ship; but as soon as the news spread, which it did quickly, as the captain sent for the first lieutenant to assuage his anger by abusing me, I was deeply gratified by receiving an invitation from all the gun-room officers to mess with them. But after a few hours Fitz-Roy showed his usual magnanimity by sending an officer to me with an apology and a request that I would continue to live with him.
- Charles Darwin; The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin, 1887[/b]

morpheus - there is nothing in any of those quotations which indicates that he felt blacks were EQUAL to whites - all he is demonstrarting is feelings of guilt and who wouldnt feel guilty at being the beneficiary of such terrible evil?

He MAINTAINS his beleif that the white race are superior to blacks throughout his life and his "theories" are later absorbed and even taught in various so called elite institutions in europe and america.

cap28:

morpheus - there is nothing in any of those quotations which indicates that he felt blacks were EQUAL to whites - all he is demonstrarting is feelings of guilt and who wouldnt feel guilty at being the beneficiary of such terrible evil?

He MAINTAINS his beleif that the white race are superior to blacks throughout his life and his "theories" are later absorbed and even taught in various so called elite institutions in europe and america.

Right right.
Please do not misconstrue the "hijacking" of the concepts of survival of the fittest, natural selection and Equality of "races" with darwins theory of evolution.
Darwin acknowledges the advancement of western civilizations in comparison to so called "negro' races and this is clearly alluded to in the excerps. However what is never implied is the "inequality in the mental or physical abilities of one so called "race" over the "other" which is clearly alluded to in the excerps.

Darwins works were hijacked by 18th and 19th century social evolutionary scientists to propagate race science and eugenics.
In the origin of species the concept of Survival of the fittest is biological not social

^^^^
[b]Our naturalist would likewise be much disturbed as soon as he perceived that the distinctive characters of all the races were highly variable. This fact strikes every one on first beholding the negro slaves in Brazil, who have been imported from all parts of Africa. The same remark holds good with the Polynesians, and with many other races. It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant. Savages, even within the limits of the same tribe, are not nearly so uniform in character, as has been often asserted. Hottentot women offer certain peculiarities, more strongly marked than those occurring in any other race, but these are known not to be of constant occurrence. In the several American tribes, colour and hairiness differ considerably; as does colour to a certain degree, and the shape of the features greatly, in the Negroes of Africa. The shape of the skull varies much in some races; and so it is with every other character. Now all naturalists have learnt by dearly bought experience, how rash it is to attempt to define species by the aid of inconstant characters.

But the most weighty of all the arguments against treating the races of man as distinct species, is that they graduate into each other, independently in many cases, as far as we can judge, of their having inter-crossed. Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory St. Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty-three, according to Burke. This diversity of judgment does not prove that the races ought not to be ranked as species, but it shews that they graduate into each other, and that it is hardly possible to discover clear distinctive characters between them.
- Charles Darwin; The Descent of Man, 1871[/b]

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[b]Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, &c., yet if their whole structure be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these are of so unimportant or of so singular a nature, that it is extremely improbable that they should have been independently acquired by aboriginally distinct species or races. The same remark holds good with equal or greater force with respect to the numerous points of mental similarity between the most distinct races of man. The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans are as different from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Feugians on board the "Beagle," with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate.

He who will read Mr. Tylor's and Sir J. Lubbock's interesting works can hardly fail to be deeply impressed with the close similarity between the men of all races in tastes, dispositions and habits. This is shown by the pleasure which they all take in dancing, rude music, acting, painting, tattoing, and otherwise decorating themselves; in their mutual comprehension of gesture-language, by the same expression in their features, and by the same inarticulate cries, when excited by the same emotions. This similarity, or rather identity, is striking, when contrasted with the different expressions and cries made by distinct species of monkeys. There is good evidence that the art of shooting with bows and arrows has not been handed down from any common progenitor of mankind, yet as Westropp and Nilsson have remarked, the stone arrow-heads, brought from the most distant parts of the world, and manufactured at the most remote periods, are almost identical; and this fact can only be accounted for by the various races having similar inventive or mental powers. The same observation has been made by archeologists with respect to certain widely-prevalent ornaments, such as zig-zags, &c.; and with respect to various simple beliefs and customs, such as the burying of the dead under megalithic structures. I remember observing in South America, that there, as in so many other parts of the world, men have generally chosen the summits of lofty hills, to throw up piles of stones, either as a record of some remarkable event, or for burying their dead.

Now when naturalists observe a close agreement in numerous small details of habits, tastes, and dispositions between two or more domestic races, or between nearly-allied natural forms, they use this fact as an argument that they are descended from a common progenitor who was thus endowed; and consequently that all should be classed under the same species. The same argument may be applied with much force to the races of man.

As it is improbable that the numerous and unimportant points of resemblance between the several races of man in bodily structure and mental faculties (I do not here refer to similar customs) should all have been independently acquired, they must have been inherited from progenitors who had these same characters.
- The Descent of Man; Charles Darwin; 1871[/b]

zolzlolz:

A man loving a man goes beyond intimacy, don't you get that?Maybe they are not content and happy, because of the stigma and the intolerance by others that comes with being Same-sex. A lot of these men go on the 'down low' because of the fear of backlash from their communitiesI am advocating equality and justice. Who said man-lover men or women can't start families? Just because they cannot procreate doesn't mean they don't the right to care for children. And no, the children won't be man-lover.

You Black South Africans are a disgrace. No wonder, 9% of the white population controls most of the wealth and land. What you guys are skilled at is lynching your fellow black African brothers.  The only black people in the world who developed a Neo Nazi mindset by being xenophobes and think they are SUPERIOR to other Africans.  It thus shows how these Boers mentally damaged you all; while they pillage the land with impunity.   

The first was Apartheid.

The second was the Aids epidemic. Have you ever asked yourself while Aids infection skyrocketed after the fall of Apartheid?  Has it ever occurred to you that it was planned to reduce your population and put stigma on you folks?

The 3rd was to allow free flow of drugs, in turn causing violence and crime amongst you black folks.

Now you have embraced HOMO- SEXUAL bullshit.  A sign that you people desperately need mental evaluation. You are not yourself but remote controlled by the people who have always owned you.  And you come here to justify what is simply a mental disorder by screaming consent, equal right and tolerance.

When you see these F.a.g.g.o.ts, it is obvious that they are losers who seek attention and wants to belong.   They will never be accepted in our culture. It either they get the message the simple way or the HARD way.   Maybe you are one of them.

@ the darwinists

of course darwin would put blacks next to monkeys on his evolutionary scale.

hope yall arent trying to prove otherwise?

Olodostein:

You Black South Africans are a disgrace. No wonder, 9% of the white population controls most of the wealth and land. What you guys are skilled at is lynching your fellow black African brothers.  The only black people in the world who developed a Neo Nazi mindset by being xenophobes and think they are SUPERIOR to other Africans.  It thus shows how these Boers mentally damaged you all; while they pillage the land with impunity.   

The first was Apartheid.

The second was the Aids epidemic. Have you ever asked yourself while Aids infection skyrocketed after the fall of Apartheid?  Has it ever occurred to you that it was planned to reduce your population and put stigma on you folks?

The 3rd was to allow free flow of drugs, in turn causing violence and crime amongst you black folks.

Now you have embraced HOMO- intimate bullshit.  A sign that you people desperately need mental evaluation. You are not yourself but remote controlled by the people who have always owned you.  And you come here to justify what is simply a mental disorder by screaming consent, equal right and tolerance.

When you see these F.a.g.g.o.ts, it is obvious that they are losers who seek attention and wants to belong.   They will never be accepted in our culture. It either they get the message the simple way or the HARD way.   Maybe you are one of them.

You obviously have deep-rooted issues within yourself which you struggle to resolve. You think that the best way for you to rectify your psychological imbalances is to vent out your frustration in hope that you might get cheerleaders to support your lunacy. You also think that South Africans like me come to this forum to do comparative analysis between our two countries as such you foolishly believe that we are here to brag and belittle you which in turn makes you defensive.

You see a man afar walking towards you. His intention is to visit you and shake your hand but your inferiority complex makes you wrongfully sense danger, you misinterpret everything this man does and you consider him to be against you. You secretly feel that this man is superior to you when in reality his at times inferior to you. Because you don't like this irrational secret feeling, you spend time looking for ways to dismiss it. So far the only way you have found to dismiss this secret feeling is to credit whites for everything but the secret feeling still persists. It's irrational my friend.

Black South Africans experienced the most brutal forms of institutionalised discrimination during the years of Apartheid. Many of us lived through those times and we know first hand how it's like to be discriminated against. As a result, our constitution which was written by blacks prohibits any form of discrimination coz we know it's bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_South_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promotion_of_Equality_and_Prevention_of_Unfair_Discrimination_Act,_2000

morpheus24:

I don't know what that example above is trying to conclude as regards polar bears or Inuits or if you are aware of what you say when you say gene mutations is theory. if you are trying to say that people who live in colder climates are inherently able to  produce melanin then you are correct. Hoever there will be varying degrees of such production levels and certain population will always have higher levels than others. It is not a coincidence that populations that inhabit tropical regions retained more melanin producing abilities as a function of evolution compared to populations that inhabit colder regions. The evidence is in the fact that an inuit is not as dark as an African  because of varying levels of ultra violet ray exposure as a function of gene ininteractionsith the enenvironmentrgo Mutations.


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The above simply demosntrates that you really are not familar with what you are trying to imply. Ancient African groups that lived 100,000 years ago did not look like Contemporary African groups. As populations move and interact with their enviroments, they bottle neck and begin to form similar genotypical and phenotypical traits. Subsequent movements carry certain genotypes with them which form additional variations as they continue to interect with the environment. The traits that sustain and promote survival will be retained by the populations. There is a reason why an Arid dwelling African would exhibit predominat traits of longer limb proprotions and a slimmer build in comparison to a more robust rainforest  farming African. There a reason why an arctic dwelling wolf woul exihibit white fur skin compared to a savannah dwelling Wolf which would retain fur that is adapeted to its enviroment.

This is not beleif my space man friend. Your melanin arguemnt is flawed as regards animals

You are often trying to change my words to make it seem that I said what I didn't said and this is not honesty. Dont go in all kind of directions and stay focused and specific on the subject. In the contrary I am really familar with what I imply because I never said that 100% of animals or humans have developed melanin in cold environment, I only show you that some animals or some groups of human have melanin even in a cold environment. so melanin is not specific to hot emvironmement only. And concerning animals I was not talking about the fur specifically, I was talking about the skin underneath  the fur. I said that :If you shave the hair off a polar bear, the skin beneath is black, even in a cold environment. Now If you shave the hair off a monkey, the skin beneath is white, even in a hot environment. (Do your research). Concerning the black tribe with slanted eyes here again you didn't bother to even look at the picture that I posted. This picture was taken in China and it cleary show you a black original chinese with blue/black skin, whooly hair and big lips.

Olodostein:

You Black South Africans are a disgrace. No wonder, 9% of the white population controls most of the wealth and land. What you guys are skilled at is lynching your fellow black African brothers.  The only black people in the world who developed a Neo Nazi mindset by being xenophobes and think they are SUPERIOR to other Africans.  It thus shows how these Boers mentally damaged you all; while they pillage the land with impunity.  

The first was Apartheid.

The second was the Aids epidemic. Have you ever asked yourself while Aids infection skyrocketed after the fall of Apartheid?  Has it ever occurred to you that it was planned to reduce your population and put stigma on you folks?

The 3rd was to allow free flow of drugs, in turn causing violence and crime amongst you black folks.

Now you have embraced HOMO- intimate bullshit.  A sign that you people desperately need mental evaluation. You are not yourself but remote controlled by the people who have always owned you.  And you come here to justify what is simply a mental disorder by screaming consent, equal right and tolerance.

When you see these F.a.g.g.o.ts, it is obvious that they are losers who seek attention and wants to belong.   They will never be accepted in our culture. It either they get the message the simple way or the HARD way.   Maybe you are one of them.

GBAMM!!!!!

If the majority of blacks in africa think like paniki it will just be a matter of time before the whites succeed in completly exterminating all of us in africa- HIV aids in africa is highest where there are large white settler populations in africa - do you think that is a coincidence? these white parasites are determined to take that land at any cost.

they are using everything in their arsenal: poverty, crime, HIV aids and now they want to decimate the black population even further using homo.sexuality - these are the same methods they are using to decmiate the black population in america and europe.

Why Africans want to be admited in religions that see them as inferior beings?. It’s sad how the Mormons who were founded by a man named Joseph Fielding Smith (1805-1844 AD), and now refer to themselves as The Church of Latter Day Saints, have actually succeeded in deceiving many Africans into joining their congregation without telling them the root and seed of racism in their doctrine. According to them, the only black person in Mormon Heaven is the faithful servant of Joseph Smith, Abel Burns; and Africans can become Mormons, but not priests and neither can they enter Mormon Heaven, how racist. As a matter of fact, when Mr. Abel’s nephew Eugene Burns passed on, a Mormon patriarch, even repeated the Mormon belief, that he, being a Black will not be able to enter Mormon Heaven. This racist thinking is not found anywhere in any of the ancient tablets. Not withstanding, Africans are ignorant as to how they ever came up with the curse of Ham being black people. In light of what the bible says about the curse of Canaan, describing white spots in the skin (Leviticus 13:38) which the Jehovah’s Witness claim in their books, and I quote from them, page 407 of "Did Man Get Here By Creation Or Evolution?", “Black race from Cush, not due to curse of Canaan, whose descendants were white.”

cap28:

GBAMM!!!!!

If the majority of blacks in africa think like paniki it will just be a matter of time before the whites succeed in completly exterminating all of us in africa- HIV aids in africa is highest where there are large white settler populations in africa - do you think that is a coincidence? these white parasites are determined to take that land at any cost.

they are using everything in their arsenal: poverty, crime, HIV aids and now they want to decimate the black population even further using homo.sexuality - these are the same methods they are using to decmiate the black population in america and europe.

This is madness amplified to extreme lunacy. You think that white people are on a mission to exterminate blacks? Get over yourself, white people have better things to do. You need to quickly get rid of your "everybody is out to get us" mentality, it's keeping your mind colonised.