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Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by plaetton: 8:26pm On May 06, 2012 |
I disagree with this and the grail message's concept of divinity. This idea that god is far too lofty and therefore is far removed from his creation is incongruent to the many hermetic philosophies that view the creator as being completely immersed in creation rather than standing aloof from it. This idea of a lofty god assumes that god is perfection. What is perfection? perfection would be mean a static state of being- something that is mathematically and conceptually impossible. The universe is dynamic, the underlying cause, if any, must also be dynamic. Therefore god is also evolving with universe in the only way possible-by completely immersing itself in and interacting with the universe. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by DeepSight(m): 11:24pm On May 06, 2012 |
^ But when one considers the enigma of eternity, from what point, and to what point would God be evolving? If God itself were evolving, then God could not be self-existent. That would instantly sweep away the God-notion, and also create a great many philosophical problems - such as the enigma of a default state of matter "just existing" - which for me is impossible as matter does not have the properties of self-existent things. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by plaetton: 11:49pm On May 06, 2012 |
Exactly my point, Deepsight. The god notion is always a contradiction no matter from what angle one approaches it. The ceaseless interaction of an all-pervading,purposeless pulsating energy seem more plausible and offers the the least contradictions. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by DeepSight(m): 12:01am On May 07, 2012 |
For strictly physical energy, yes. It cannot explain the obvious spiritual energies inherent in our reality. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by plaetton: 2:18am On May 07, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Energy ,in my view, energy transcends the physical. I think our three dimensional physical reality can be likened to just one channel or station in an infinite radio. What we term 'spiritual' are just higher frequencies, octaves or dimensions of the same energy. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by Kay17: 8:30am On May 07, 2012 |
Outside energy, time, matter, information and space, what else exists? |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 9:39am On May 07, 2012 |
plaetton: hmm - a unified position that makes it all make sense |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by mnwankwo(m): 11:30am On May 07, 2012 |
I am just seeing this last response from you five months after. Excellent explanation. I think it delivers your point to perfection. However let us look at these divine radiations and the fact that they are co-eternal with God itself: does this mean that they eternally spawn creations (which will mean some sort of creations have eternally existed) or that the radiations only coalesce into creations if expressly willed by the mind of the creator?Hi DeepSight. Thanks for your kind words. The answer to your question lies in understanding the meaning of two words: eternity and creation. Eternity is, meaning that it has no beginning nor end. Creation on the other hand began to exist. Thus in reality, creation is not eternal since it began to exist at a "point". Thus in the strict sense of the word, it will be inaccurate to regard the divine realm and beings inhabiting it as creations. The divine realm consists of formed and unformed direct emanations of God, and these direct emanations are eternal. The divine beings are full of activity but these activities have always been and it is impossible to to say that the activities started at this point or the other. The activities of the divine beings is. Thus, it will be wrong to label the activities of the divine beings as creations because these activities have no beginning or end. Now a little digression which may help you get the picture I am painting. It is only within creation where these direct emanations of God have cooled off with the resultant decrease in pressure, an effect of the power of God is it possible to differentiate the end and the beginning. Outside of creation, in the divine realm, in the "proximity" of GOD, the pressure due to the power of GOD have not slackened or cooled down, thus all activities are instantaneous, the end is the beginning and the beginning is the end. In other words it did not begin to exist but has always being, no beginning and no endiing. I know it is difficult to form a mental picture of this but I am sure your spirit will sense what I am trying to say. Yes, we have discussed this before. My position remains that a conscious act of Gods will is compatible with an adamantine and immutable God. Just try to see that a conscious act of Gods will is an immutable but not arbitrary act. The omniscience of God lies in the fact that his adamantine and immutable laws are all encompassing such that it can take care of all possibilities. Thus there are contingencies for known and unknown possibilities within creation. These contingencies are not arbitrary acts as you seem to suggest but a fulfillment of the adamantine and immutable laws of God. Just remember that God is the Living Law. As always stay blessed. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by plaetton: 3:23pm On May 07, 2012 |
Deep Sight: Let me try to answer this in another way. Energy is the only thing that exists. When energy is in a state of equilibrium(perhaps temprory) we call it a state of nothingness.That is when god is said to exist in a state of perfection. When energy interacts(creation or big b.ang),energy is no longer in equilibrium and god is no longer perfect. LeChatelier's principle sets in. Lechatelier's principle states that " when a system is in equilibrium and then one of the factors responsible for the equilibrium is altered, the system will move so as to tend to annull the change and restore the equilibrium". The thermostat on your ac is a typical example. So in this case,once energy was transormed into matter by way of E=MC2 in the big ban.g/creation, the system/energy or god went into disequilibrium and thus began the evolution of both the primordial energy/god and its ofspring(matter) in an attempt to restore the original equilibrium. So everything is eventually evolving towards a state of perfection (nothingness). Just take a look. Stars and galaxies are born and then over time, collapse and die(back to a temporary state of nothing, and then, new stars emerge from the same. So, as it is above , so it is below. Organic life follows much the same cycle of equilibrium(death) and disequilibrium(life). So the starting point of god's evolution would appear to be the big. ba.ng or during creation , as creationist would call it. Let me try another analogy. Once you give off a piece of your self to father a child, your life can never remain the same. From the moment of conception, the child evolves towards you and you evolve towards the child. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by DeepSight(m): 6:39pm On Jun 04, 2012 |
plaetton: I love this. Except the references to "nothingness" - - - that is absolutely NOT what nothingness refers to. It is absurd to describe any energy as nothingness - - - regardless its state. Let me try another analogy. Once you give off a piece of your self to father a child, your life can never remain the same. From the moment of conception, the child evolves towards you and you evolve towards the child. Not quite sure about this. But nice thought. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by UyiIredia(m): 2:19am On Sep 11, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Thak you for your thought-provoking questions. Well said. It so happens my thoughts on God were gravitating towards this. |
Re: Deepsight, Does Your God Create From Ex Nihilo by NairalandSARS: 8:32pm On Aug 05, 2017 |
Choi! See confam topic. |
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