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Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 4:59pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Seun: Reply BetaThings: 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by ifenes(m): 5:22pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Free speech is your birth right regardless of where you are 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 6:43pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Where are the athiest at, you seem to have all caught cold. 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Nobody: 7:29pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Se.un is not an atheist, not a xtain..yet to make up his mind about Islam. He's still dwelling in confusion. The last time i commented on an Islamic thread, i was banned..till 2020 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Nobody: 8:58pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Seun said "Freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend". The respondent replied as though Seun said that "Freedom of speech is freedom to offend". 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by hopefulLandlord: 6:02am On Apr 10, 2017 |
Akdegreat: thank you, OP is just being dishonest 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 7:22am On Apr 10, 2017 |
Akdegreat: Oga reframing the issue in what everyone can use their own 2 eyes to see is does not cut it at all, The respondent to seun claims is simply, if freedom to offen is part and parcel of freedom of speech why is he stocking nairaland with moderators? Of what use are they? If he actually believes what he posted then he should be quick to practice it, these are their words: Seun: There's no value in freedom of speech if it's only limited to things that won't offend anybody. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend. Betathings: Yet I cannot, as a researcher, go across Europe an say based on my studies the Holocaust did not take place, I would be jailed So where is the capacity to tolerate dissent and offence BTW What is the benefit in offending people? What is the benefit in having moderators on Nairaland if it is nice to offend people 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 7:23am On Apr 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: boy o boy, you felt like you were backed into a corner! |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by hopefulLandlord: 9:25am On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool:WatDeElIsdis? |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 9:50am On Apr 10, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: WatDeElUIsLooking! 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Seun(m): 12:59pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
Akdegreat:That's actually what I said initially. The freedom to say what is not offensive to anybody is not a right that needs to be defended. It is just a fact of life. Even in North Korea and Saudi Arabia, nothing you say will cause you harm if nobody is offended by it. Freedom of speech must include the freedom to say things that other people find offensive in order to have meaning. Thus, it is essentially the freedom to say offensive things. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by HyDef(m): 2:54pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool: Dude, what the frack are you saying? [s]No one would be jailed for claiming the holocaust didn't happen. They'd just be subject to public destruction.[/s] Same way racists aren't jailed. Someone can admit to being a member of the KKK, but that's not basis enough to jail such an individual. It's only in our flawed system where you can be arrested for such things. Kemi Olunloyo wouldn't have been arrested in any saner society. Nairaland needs moderators because it's on the Internet. It's a forum and it has its rules. Think of it as a club. Clubs have rules. Moderators enforce those rules. Rules are to keep things civil. Nairaland would be one constant Flame War without mods. Anonymity makes everything worse. If you want people online to be kept in line, you'll need rules, or you'll end up with 4chan. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 3:03pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
HyDef: Two question Has anyone been jailed for holocaust denial? Does nairaland rules restrict freedom of speech? 2 Likes |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by HyDef(m): 3:11pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool: There are laws against Holocaust Denial. That I've learnt, so I rescind that point. Yes, within reasonable limits. But that's basically same as every other Internet forum. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by cooncudee(m): 3:38pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
it seems you missed his (seun's) reply, or you decidedly ignored it https://www.nairaland.com/3731598/why-these-muslim-countries-peaceful/1#55441875 I coundn't quote and bring it here because of the oath. op needs a crash course on what freedom of expression is. remember we are talking about the law here. how it is supposed to be, what the law says, and not what your holy book says or how you feel it should be 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 3:43pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
HyDef: That is the point of the op, if Freedom of Speech is soo unlimited then why is seun a major proponent moderating this forum so closely. It is not about what other forums are doing but seun putting what he believes into practice. As you can see even in Europe they jail people who say things that goes against the officially accepted version of an event. nairaland without regulations curtailing limits of freedom of expression will represent what can possibly go wrong if freedom of speech goes beyond acceptable limits of human behavior. 2 Likes |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Nobody: 3:51pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
So free speech should be limited? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 3:52pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
cooncudee: huh did you not check his time of reply and the time this thread was started almost 18 hrs after he was responded to. And please ask him why he skipped the part that said why he is moderating this forum? You post is bit incoherent. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 3:53pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
LightandDarkness: Shine some light on this thread and you will get your answer. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by cooncudee(m): 4:14pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool:the mods are here to enforce the 22 rules up there. what the essence of having rules when you have no means of enforcing them. nd im sure you saw the reply. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by oaroloye(m): 4:51pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
SHALOM! vedaxcool: It is an actual fact that THE HOLOCAUST, which is the basis of the seizure of Palestine by Whites claiming to be Jews, NEVER HAPPENED. There was no SIX-MILLION MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD Massacre: IT IS A "BIG LIE." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acPfPG457cw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mylBZHPw3_A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwYnVJniTaI How many Palestinian Men, Women, and Children have died, because there was no Freedom-of-Speech in Europe? For those new to the idea that THE HOLOCAUST was a LIE, everything hinges on ONE question: HOW WERE THE ALLEGED SIX MILLION BODIES DISPOSED-OF? Everything unravels from there. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 4:53pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
cooncudee: Why would you have rules if freedom speech is unlimited? Seem like seun you can't still get argument. 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 4:55pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
oaroloye: This thread is not about the veracity of holocaust it is about freedom of speech. 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by cooncudee(m): 5:05pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool:and who said freedom of speech is unlimited. There's no value in freedom of speech if it's only limited to things that won't offend anybody. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend does not mean freedom of speech is unlimited, do you have a problem comprehending that?! |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 5:13pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
cooncudee: Seun is that you? lol The question remains unanswered: vedaxcool: |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by cooncudee(m): 5:23pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
vedaxcool:I give up! and BTW this is not seun. |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Seun(m): 5:04pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Seun: 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by Mcowubaba: 6:43pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Seun:You said no Belief should have the privilege of NOT being mocked or criticised, Isn't that Ironic since we can't criticise Muslims in their section, without us taking an Oath.. The Obviously have Privilege of not being criticised/mocked by other beliefs. I know you will come up with how delicate and fanatic Muslims could be, that the could go on a Carnage, Jihad or holocaust... Why should they be allowed to carry on with such mentality, that people fear them nd can't confront them nd their archiac Beliefs. Here on Nairaland, Muslims mock Christians in their section, It's okay, that's freedom of Speech, Christian try to do the same, It's not Okay, you Christians will offend our muslim brothers to start killing people I watched a 'funny' video clip of people impersonating Shekau (Boko Haram leader), can you believe that the used the Bible nd Bible verses, instead of Quran, the were obviously scared of the supposed 'backlash' the would get from Muslims I will quote what Asari Dokubo once said 'Nobody has monopoly of violence' |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 7:47pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Seun: Lol see damage control vedaxcool: 1 Like |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by omohayek: 7:49pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
The people on here who are criticizing Seun for not allowing untrammeled freedom of speech on Nairaland clearly don't understand the difference between public and private forums. "Freedom of speech" as a concept means the freedom to air one's views without fear of being punished or censored by a government, not the right to use someone else's private property as a means of publicizing one's opinions. Being able to decide what is tolerated on Nairaland is Seun's freedom of speech; those who don't like how he exercises this freedom are equally free to start their own forums, where they can say what they like (libel and incitement laws permitting), secure in the knowledge that Seun won't be able to interfere with what they tolerate on their own platforms. 16 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Nairalander Easily Debunks An Atheists Claims Of Free Speech by vedaxcool(m): 7:50pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Mcowubaba: Ask seun where he got his ideas from ....ignoramus vedaxcool: 1 Like |
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