Knight1:

a man can be a prophet and go against God's instruction if he allows his eyes and flesh to mislead him. it's called backsliding. several people do the same today, and we say "oh but he started well". that's why men must be careful not to allow pride, money etc pull them down.
they might still be able to have the "carriage", infact they may still say some things that may come to pass, but then, even a fan doesn't stop the moment you switch it off, it rotates slower and slower until it comes to a complete stop.

we'll move to the next point tomorrow if you don't mind.

These hypocritical enquirers (the elders), though Ezekiel will not give them a comfortable answer, yet hope to meet with some other prophets that will; and if they do, as perhaps they may, let them know that God permits those lying prophets to deceive them in part of punishment: “If the prophet that flatters them be deceived, and gives them hopes which there is no ground for, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, have suffered(allowed=contemporary word) the temptation to be laid before him, and suffered(allowed) him to yield to it, and overruled it for the hardening of those in their wicked courses who were resolved to go on in them.”

Knight1:



i wrote this before now. sometimes you make me believe you don't read anybody's post but yours. how can you claim you read my post and still ask me that question?

LagosShia:

this is the forum i will remain and cleanse from your nonsense and keep being a thorn for you and your likes.

you are the one that will go to where you belong,you fanatical pagan trinitarian!

LagosShia:

bring them coming for exposure!

your nonsense is obvious and we will keep seeing it.

your hide in ambiguity.is that what will lead you to salvation? all your beliefs are haging in the balance and ambiguos the way you explained them.when i show you the plain truth,you reject it and hide in the clouds clinging to your ambigity as facts.

Knight1:

i have noticed that there is just one more 'query' so i'll just try and touch that so we can end once and for all,

what you see in John 12:40 is quoted from Isaiah 6 which you equally queried so they will get the same answer.
here is courtesy Henry's commentaries. (it defeats your queries so well, sometimes i think they were written for just that )
once again i will quote the scripture in proper context for better understanding.

Isa 6:9  And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa 6:10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
Isa 6:11  Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12  And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13  But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.


God takes Isaiah at his word, and here sends him on a strange errand - to foretel the ruin of his people and even to ripen them for that ruin - to preach that which, by their abuse of it, would be to them a savour of death unto death. And this was to be a type and figure of the state of the Jewish church in the days of the Messiah, when they should obstinately reject the gospel, and should thereupon be rejected of God.  Isaiah is here given to understand these  things: -
1. That the generality of the people to whom he was sent would turn a deaf ear to his preaching, and wilfully shut their eyes against all the discoveries of the mind and will of God which he had to make to them (Isa_6:9): .” Isaiah must preach to them, and they will hear him indeed, but that is all; they will not heed him; they will no understand him; they will not take any pains, nor use that application of mind which is necessary to the understanding of him; they are prejudiced against that which is the true intent and meaning of what he says, and therefore they will not understand him, or pretend they do not[b](e.g LagosShia). [/color]They see indeed (for the vision is made plain on tables, so that he who runs may read it); but they perceive not their own concern in it; it is to them as a tale that is told. Note, There are many who hear the sound of God's word, but do not feel the power of it.[/b]
2. That, forasmuch as they would not be made better by his ministry, they should be made worse by it; those that were wilfully blind should be judicially blinded (Isa_6:10): [color=#990000]“They will not understand or perceive thee, and therefore thou shalt be instrumental to make their heart fat, senseless, and sensual, and so to make their ears yet more heavy, and to shut their eyes the closer; so that, at length, their recovery and repentance will become utterly impossible; they shall no more see with their eyes the danger they are in, the ruin they are upon the brink of, nor the way of escape from it; they shall no more hear with their ears the warnings and instructions that are given them, nor understand with their heart the things that belong to their peace, so as to be converted from the error of their ways, and thus be healed.”
Note, (1.) The conversion of sinners is the healing of them. (2.) A right understanding is necessary to conversion. (3.) God sometimes, in a way of righteous judgment, gives men up to blindness of mind and strong delusions, because they would not receive the truth in the love of it, 2Th_2:10-12. He that is filthy let him be filthy still.

Knight1:

i put the answer to that question in blue

they have obstinately and unrepentantly rejected the gospel, they have made themselves willfully blind, because they have a freewill to choose whatever they want (the freewill given by God).

God did not make anyone a thief or a murderer etc, it is a man's choice to do good or evil. he cannot now say he has been turned into that or misled into that by God.
this thing is simple understanding

Judek2:

Let me give you MY OWN explanation on the Trinity.

Its like a Tree which stands on its own, the Tree contains the branches,leaves,flowers,fruits and so on. They are all seperate but they are from the Tree. The Fruits falls off and are eaten as food,the leaves also fall off and can serve as decorations,but the Tree remains and gives out these things.

Now,God is the Tree.I can call Jesus the fruits and the Holy Spirit the leaves.
NOTE,the Tree has many(more than three) parts,thus God can choose to express himself uncountably and more than three.

Because of Gods love for mankind,for redemption and salvation,he made a part of him to come to us as God,in human form,thus Jesus has two forms, Divine and human. He was Divine to show his authority as God,and human to show us his love for his creations.(if you want to befriend Children,you must do like kids do) I mean,if he want to come tn human beings,he must be human.
So he hungered,slept,suffered, eats just like human beings,yet performed miracles,raised the dead,forgives sins,recieves worships etc. Just like God.

The Tree also lets down its leaves,to use it as the Holy Spirit which was described as "the spirit of God" in Gen.1:2.
A part of God as a gift to manking for teaching and understanding.

The Fruits and the Leaves represents the Tree as when you pick the fruits or use the leaves,you can as well point to the Tree as the source,if not for the Tree,no fruits for you. So when you eats the fruit,your mind is always on that Tree that gives it.
We enjoys the fruit from the Tree,

So the trinity is more like it, God exists in Three persons,He is God the Father,then the Son and the Holy Spirit,and this three are One.

hey people!

the christian god is now a "tree with branches producing fruits"-Judek2!!! muhahahaha

they dont want to wake up that trinity is pagan and not found even in their bible.they want to accept everything because of their yeye religion.the Quran says to christians:"Do not say Trinity.stop!it is better for you!!!

"Judek's" christian trinitarian god with his branches and fruits lookis like this (pagan hindu trinitarian god called shiva with branches)  :

Judek2:

What do you know about salvation? You realy dont know anything about it cos you'll never gain it.

golamike:

Be not deceived; God is not mocked:
 
For whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. Here are some men and women who mocked God :
 
  John Lennon (Singer):
  Some years before, during his interview with an American Magazine, he said:
     ' Christianity will end, it will disappear. I do not have to argue about that. I am certain.
       Jesus was ok, but his subjects were too simple, today we are more famous than Him ' (1966).
  Lennon, after saying that the Beatles were more famous than Jesus Christ, was shot six times.
 
Tancredo Neves (President of Brazil ):
During the Presidential campaign, he said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, [b]not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died.

[/b]Cazuza (Bi-intimate Brazilian composer, singer and poet):
 
During A show in Canecio ( Rio de Janeiro ), while smoking his cigarette, he puffed out some smoke into the air and said: ' God, that ' s for you. '
He died at the age of 32 of LUNG CANCER in a horrible manner.
 
 
The man who built the Titanic
After the construction of Titanic, a reporter asked him how safe the Titanic would be.
 With an ironic tone he said: ' Not even God can sink it '
  The result: I think you all know what happened to the Titanic
   
Campinas (IN 2005)
 
In Campinas , Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend,
 
The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:
' My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You. '
 
She responded: ' Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here, It ' s Already Full '
Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died,
the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.
 
The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken

Christine Hewitt (Jamaican Journalist and entertainer)
said the Bible (Word of God) was the worst book ever written.  In June 2006 she was found burnt beyond recognition in her motor vehicle.

<sup>You are asking the poster not to blaspheme against one so called God that doesn't seem to exist anywhere but claimed to be existing somewhere describe as heaven that doesn't exist also -- and because of this same God you people have been blaspheming against Satan , whatever name u call him and his demons just to promote that sadist God .

STOP accusing and blaspheming against the name of SATAN too ---</sup>

Kx:

@Poster, pls dont blaspheme againts God pls.

Kx:

@Poster, pls dont blaspheme againts God pls.

^{Now u are proving from the bible they use still someone is complaining that u are blaspheming ^^ LagosShia dear , dunno mind them jare . so many that claims they're Christians don't even know where they truly belong .}

LagosShia:

this is really new to me.i have never heard that quoting the bible is blaspheming.

LagosShia:

you must truly be the b!tch i used to call you for you to think each time you are Hot you would bring up claims that have been refuted and expect me to refute them one by one.you dont deserve respect because you dont respect others and their intelligence.sitting behind your computer screen does not give you the right to play with nonsense and annoy others.your tactic of wasting my time and distracting me with old stories already dealt with decisively will not stop me from concentrating on new scandalous threads which will expose the falsehood of your false beliefs.

you better go and check the old thread you thick skulls started and find your answers there.each time you are Hot and use repetitition to express yourself you'd be given the same answer and experience.keep chewing the past stories and their answers like the way a goat regurgitates.

LagosShia:

hey people!

the christian god is now a "tree with branches producing fruits"-Judek2!!! muhahahaha

they dont want to wake up that trinity is pagan and not found even in their bible.they want to accept everything because of their yeye religion.the Quran says to christians:"Do not say Trinity.stop!it is better for you!!!

"Judek's" christian trinitarian god with his branches and fruits lookis like this (pagan hindu trinitarian god called shiva with branches)  :

Judek2:

Do you know the way your teacher taught you in nursery and primary school? (Using sticks and stones to demonstrate). Thats the same method I applied.
You may be an aged man,as you claimed that you are married,but you are still an infant when it comes to the Bible,so I took my time to explain it with nature.

Too bad that you even mocked and laughed at yourself because I expected that from you. I just explained it to the level of your Korainic brain for a little understanding.

Why are you so excited at the mention of tree, as I know, Mohammad was so much in love with palm trees that he said that Mary laboured and gave birth under a palm tree. While palm trees never even existed during the time of Mary and Jesus.

Mohammad was a big lier and fairly story teller,even the child spoke to Mary from the womb.

Another big bluff and lie is that Mohammad couldnt even differenciate between Mary,the mother of Jesus from Miriam,the sister of Moses, as he called Mary,mother of Jesus as Miriam. and said, O sister of Moses therefore proving that Moses (an ancestor of Jesus) was the uncle of Jesus.
Mohammad is the greatest fraud in history.

LagosShia:

how can you explain something somewhere when that thing is not found there?
dont even be deceived into thinking even the bible has the trace of the trinity doctrine.this was a doctrine deviced by men.read about Athanasius.this is history.
you are easily deceived by emotions.you dont want to listen so you will remain blind in darkness.
and Jesus hated trees so much that he cursed a fig tree because it didnt bear figs when it was not the fig season

by the way there is a difference between "palm tree" and "date palm".Mary (as) is said to have labored under a date palm and not a palm tree.you dont know your bible and yet you want to teach others their books.how do you think your blindness can do that?

from the womb? you must be reading your bible and dreaming! that again is no where found in the Quran.we are told Jesus spoke from infancy and not in the womb.mumu!

that is how your empty head sees it.Jesus was also called the "son of David".that is also confusion and mixing lineages, wasn't it?

by the way,another failure on your part! Mary,mother of Jesus,was not addressed as "sister of Moses" in the Quran.she is addressed figuratively as "sister of Aron" and not Moses!!!

Judek2:

1)And the SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters
2)I and my Father are one
3)And God said,"let us make man in our image,after our likeness:
the three were present during creation.

Here,the spirit of God(holy spirit), Jesus which is one with God and of God.
The three are One.

And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"

Where is the date palm?

24. But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;
25. "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.
26. "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious,and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"


I tried to be more logical to assert that the voice was from the child in the womb, but its actually from beneat the PALM TREE.
I can rightly assert that the Palm Tree Roots actually spoke to Mary.

I can say (son of,or sister of) any of my ancestors. Jesus,son of David and not Jesus,the Brother of David or any of his ancestors.

Moses and Aeron were brothers. Mary,sister of Aeron and Mary,sister of Moses makes no difference. She is both their sister.

But,was Mary the sister of Aeron?
BLUNDER!!!

LagosShia:

^^^^^^^^^^^

how was the new year? wishing a less ignorant year ahead!