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Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 3:45pm On Feb 11, 2012
I am confused- and I want to make it crystal clear that this post is being put forward by me as a consequence of my confusion and the need for me to get some clarification. Again this is not an attack on anyone or his beliefs. Feel free to check my previous post history for form.

For as long as I can remember, when having religious discussions with my muslim friends, I've been told that the big difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity lost it's way by the corruption of the Bible and our worship of Christ and the trinity concept- which practically all muslims interpret as worshipping three gods. So my understanding is Islam believes there is no divine personality but God ( Allah ) and anything else is heresy. So my understanding is Prophet Mohammed is neither divine nor to be worshipped.
But then I stumbled on this case which has led to my current confusion - so I'm asking again is Prophet Mohammed divine or not - and if not how is this case currently going on justified according to Quoranic and note NOT Islamic teachings. As this is for the sake of education, answers from Muslims and theoretical experts preferred.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 3:46pm On Feb 11, 2012
[QUOTE]The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Hamza Kashgari
has been detained in Malaysia.
He was detained yesterday at
the Kuala Lumpur International
airport, the Journal reports,
citing Malaysia’s state news
service.

Amnesty International has
confirmed that Hamza Kashgari
is being held in Malaysia at an
undisclosed location. He was
arrested Thursday morning,
Malaysia time, as he tried to
board an 8:50am flight to New
Zealand, where friends told the
Daily Beast Kashgari hoped to
apply for asylum.

Cilina Nasser, a researcher in
Amnesty’s North Africa and
Middle East program, tells the
Daily Beast that Kashgari may
be at “imminent risk” of
deportation to Saudi Arabia,
where he could face charges of
apostasy, which is punishable
by death. “We are calling on the
Malaysian authorities to
immediately disclose the
location where Hamza is being
held and to immediately grant
him access to his lawyer,” she
says.

While it remains unclear
whether the Saudi authorities
have made an official
extradition request, Nasser
says, Amnesty believes the
Saudi authorities may have
requested Kashgari’s arrest in
Malaysia. “We call on the
Malaysian government to stop
any deportation proceedings
that may have started,” she
says.

A friend of Kashgari’s, who
asked not to be named, told
The Daily Beast on Wednesday
that she had accompanied him
to the airport and witnessed his
detention. “We were just
watching him, waiting for him
to pass the immigration
checkpoint. Once he submitted
his passport, they asked him to
step away for a few minutes,”
the friend said, still noticeably
shaken. “And suddenly these
two people without uniforms
just arrested him.”
A spokesman for the Malaysian
police confirmed Hashgari’s
detention to Reuters today ,
saying that the arrest was “part
of an Interpol operation which
the Malaysian police were a
part of.”

Last week, just before the
anniversary of the Prophet
Muhammad’s birth, Hamza
Kashgari, a 23-year-old Saudi
writer in Jidda, took to his
Twitter feed to reflect on the
occasion.

“On your birthday, I will say
that I have loved the rebel in
you, that you’ve always been a
source of inspiration to me, and
that I do not like the halos of
divinity around you. I shall not
pray for you,” he wrote in one
tweet.

“On your birthday, I find you
wherever I turn. I will say that I
have loved aspects of you,
hated others, and could not
understand many more,” he
wrote in a second.

“On your birthday, I shall not
bow to you. I shall not kiss your
hand. Rather, I shall shake it as
equals do, and smile at you as
you smile at me. I shall speak
to you as a friend, no more,”
he concluded in a third.


Twitter quickly flooded with
responses to Kashgari,
registering more than 30,000
within a day. He was accused of
blasphemy, and enraged Saudis
called for his death. By the time
he removed the tweets and
issued a long apology,
backtracking on his comments
and begging for forgiveness, the
danger had already expanded
beyond the Web. Someone
posted Kashgari’s home address
in a YouTube video, and, his
friends say, vigilantes came
looking for him at his local
mosque. The Saudi information
minister banned Kashgari’s local
newspaper column and barred
outlets across the country from
publishing his work. Nasser al-
Omar, an influential cleric,
called for him to be tried in a
Sharia court for apostasy , which
is punishable by death. Other
leading clerics decried Kashgari
on their own, and Saudi
Arabia’s council of senior
scholars issued a rare and
harshly worded communiqué
condemning him and his tweets
and demanding that he be put
on trial. Yesterday, Saudi
Arabia’s leading news site,
SABQ , reported that the king
himself had issued a warrant for
Kashgari’s arrest.

With the pressure mounting,
Kashgari fled to Southeast Asia
earlier today. Hours later, in his
first interview with the press, he
told The Daily Beast that he was
stunned by the turn of events
but resigned to the fact that he
can never return home. “It’s
impossible. No way,” he said.
“I’m afraid, and I don’t know
where to go.” Kashgari says he
is now planning to apply for
asylum abroad.
Though Saudi Arabia has seen
uproars over controversial
newspaper articles or scholarly
works before, no great calls for
Sharia trials have ever sounded
in the kingdom on account of a
few tweets—and the furor has
gone viral, snowballing into a
bigger scandal than anything
the country has seen in the
recent past.

When he caught wind of the
tweets, Fouad al-Farhan , a
respected liberal and Saudi
Arabia’s most influential
blogger , knew Kashgari was in
trouble. He quickly got in touch
with the young writer and urged
him to issue the apology. “Don’t
try to be a hero,” he told him.
“You will lose big time.”
An undated photo of Hamza
Kashgari.
By tweeting about the prophet,
al-Farhan says, Kashgari crossed
a line that even Saudi liberals
won’t dare to touch. Even so,
al-Farhan was surprised by the
level of rage that Kashgari
inspired, and how quickly it
spread. In a span of just days,
the issue came to dominate
social media—from the
onslaught of tweets under the
hashtag #HamzahKashghri to
vitriolic YouTube videos and a
Facebook group, currently
boasting nearly 8,000
members, called “ The Saudi
People Demand the Execution
of Hamza Kashgari”—and
reached all the way to top
clerics and the king. “There was
an amazing anger. I’ve never
seen anything like it in my life,”
al-Farhan says, noting that the
outrage in Saudi Arabia has
exceeded even the levels seen
after a Danish newspaper
infamously published a cartoon
of Muhammad in 2005.
“I think it’s because this is an
extremely unique case. We’ve
never had our own Salman
Rushdie before. We’ve never
had a case as extreme as this
one of someone crossing the
line,” al-Farhan says.

Al-Farhan has been harshly
critical of Kashgari’s tweets.
Even Kashgari’s friends, all of
whom requested anonymity,
say they’re reluctant to come to
his defense—and have even felt
the need to attack him
themselves. “Everyone who
tried to objectively deal with
this case was immediately
stigmatized and labeled an
enemy of the prophet, who
therefore should suffer the
same fate Hamza is awaiting,”
says one.
Adds another: “Right now we’re
not worried about freedom of
speech. We’re worried about
the safety of our friend. And
right now we can only help his
safety if we condemn him, and
[from there] try to rationalize
what he said.”

Kashgari says he never
expected such an outcry—“not
even 1 percent.” But he knows
the mindset of his critics well.
He was raised as a religious
conservative in a traditional
Salafi community, becoming
more liberal and “humanist,” in
the words of one friend, as he
grew older and embraced the
Web. His writing also grew
more provocative, particularly
on Twitter, where he had
attracted the ire of
conservatives who kept a close
eye on everything he wrote.
Ahmed Al Omran, who keeps
the popular blog Saudi Jeans ,
says it’s common for
conservative activists to keep
watch over liberal-minded
social-media feeds. “They wait
for the moment when they say
something controversial to use
it against them. Hamza is
apparently one of the people
they’ve been monitoring,” he
says. “Most people feel strongly
about the situation. But at the
same time, I feel that
conservatives are trying to take
advantage of the situation,
make an example out of him,
and show their strength.”

Kashgari says he knew he was
being watched online; since the
controversy arose, someone
released a compilation of his
past tweets on the Web. “I
knew I was being monitored. I
considered it a form of
psychological warfare,” he says.
“But I didn’t give it that much
attention, because I didn’t want
them to think I was losing the
battle.”
Kashgari has since deleted his
Twitter account, and he says
some like-minded friends have
done the same. He declined to
comment on his apology and
retraction but insisted his battle
was still not lost. “I view my
actions as part of a process
toward freedom. I was
demanding my right to practice
the most basic human rights—
freedom of expression and
thought—so nothing was done
in vain,” he says. “I believe I’m
just a scapegoat for a larger
conflict. There are a lot of
people like me in Saudi Arabia
who are fighting for their
rights.”[/QUOTE]

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/08/twitter-aflame-with-fatwa-against-saudi-writer-hamza-kashgari.html
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 4:03pm On Feb 11, 2012
Sorry but posting from my phone, thus the unclear nature of some of my text. Honestly to appreciate the story you have to view the link.
Here's the original tweet for those who read Arabic.

Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by davidylan(m): 4:21pm On Feb 11, 2012
its the islamic way. Death to those who dare to disagree with them even though islam is allegedly "peace".
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 5:00pm On Feb 11, 2012
^^^ But the issue here is what are they actually disagreeing about?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Kay17: 7:38pm On Feb 11, 2012
Bad image for Islam
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by mpmp: 8:17pm On Feb 11, 2012
One major poroblem with Islam is that there is a great difference between Quoranic Teachings and the Islamic practice.

Sometimes, I wonder why some muslims still read the quoran and behave in the exact opposite way.

If Mohammed is divine, how come Jesus is merely a Prophet?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Medknight: 10:31pm On Feb 11, 2012
It seems some people think there is no muslims on the earth.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by tbaba1234: 9:15am On Feb 12, 2012
The prophet is not divine. The blasphemy law is applicable to any prophet including Jesus, Moses etc. If he said the same thing about any prophet, it is the same thing. An apology is basically what is required.

It seems there is a lot of emotion involved in this case than common sense. The kid seems to have apologized and repented. I don't think anything will happen to him though, probably a jail sentence to appease the ultra-conservatives.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by davidylan(m): 9:22am On Feb 12, 2012
tbaba1234:

The prophet is not divine. The blasphemy law is applicable to any prophet including Jesus, Moses etc. If he said the same thing about any prophet, it is the same thing. An apology is basically what is required.

It seems there is a lot of emotion involved in this case than common sense. The kid seems to have apologized and repented. I don't think anything will happen to him though, probably a jail sentence to appease the ultra-conservatives.

This is a blatant lie and it galls me to see muslims get away with it time and time again. We have atheists insult Jesus all the time even in Saudi Arabia and nothing gets done. The blasphemy laws in Saudi, Pakistan e.t.c. cover ONLY perceived insults to mohammad. I could put up 200 threads insulting Moses here and NO MUSLIM here would give a damn.

You are also LYING through your dishonest teeth when you try to downplay the issue by saying "an apology is basically what is required". First of all the kid APOLOGIZED on tweeter and deleted his post. However persistent death threats forced him out of Saudi Arabia which already has the death sentence for blasphemy. He has now been arrested in Malaysia and repatriated back to Saudi Arabia where he will definitely meet a gruesome death.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by tbaba1234: 10:05am On Feb 12, 2012
davidylan:

This is a blatant lie and it galls me to see muslims get away with it time and time again. We have atheists insult Jesus all the time even in Saudi Arabia and nothing gets done. The blasphemy laws in Saudi, Pakistan e.t.c. cover ONLY perceived insults to mohammad. I could put up 200 threads insulting Moses here and NO MUSLIM here would give a damn.

You are also LYING through your dishonest teeth when you try to downplay the issue by saying "an apology is basically what is required". First of all the kid APOLOGIZED on tweeter and deleted his post. However persistent death threats forced him out of Saudi Arabia which already has the death sentence for blasphemy. He has now been arrested in Malaysia and repatriated back to Saudi Arabia where he will definitely meet a gruesome death.

That is the truth, you don't have to like it, The law covers insults to any prophet/messenger of God. I can't speak about the application in these countries.

Like i have said most of the reaction is dictated by emotion not reason. Once there is a retraction of a 'blasphemous' statement the accused is allowed to go. This has been practised for centuries in muslim empires.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by frosbel(m): 11:11am On Feb 12, 2012
tbaba1234:

That is the truth, you don't have to like it,  The law covers insults to any prophet/messenger of God. I can't speak about the application in these countries.

Like i have said most of the reaction is dictated by emotion not reason. Once there is a retraction of a 'blasphemous' statement the accused is allowed to go. This has been practised for centuries in muslim empires. 

What a bare faced LIE !!.

Even after he retracted his statement, they are still calling for his head, Saudi authorities have used Interpol to order his arrest , and he will soon be extradited from Malaysia to Saudi to face Beheading.

Also , having lived in the North, Northern Nigeria by the way, I have never heard about or witnessed a riot because someone blasphemed Jesus or Moses. On the other hand , countless thousands have been killed because of Muhammed.

Admit it, you guys do not worship Allah but Muhammad, a mere man, to whom you ascribe divine like status, what utter blasphemy.

Quit the lies, before we start another merry go round !!!
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Judek2(m): 7:42pm On Feb 12, 2012
tbaba1234:

That is the truth, you don't have to like it, The law covers insults to any prophet/messenger of God. I can't speak about the application in these countries.

Like i have said most of the reaction is dictated by emotion not reason. Once there is a retraction of a 'blasphemous' statement the accused is allowed to go. This has been practised for centuries in muslim empires.

Did he insult Mohammad .His statements is just a simple and modest compliment.

And, lying to refute is not realy necessary. Just a simple mis-handling of the Koran by a tagged infidel Christian can cause a massive onslaughter by Muslims on any infidel,and cause unspeakable violence sad

Btw. does the law cover insults on Jesus too?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by davidylan(m): 7:48pm On Feb 12, 2012
tbaba1234:

That is the truth, you don't have to like it, The law covers insults to any prophet/messenger of God. I can't speak about the application in these countries.

Like i have said most of the reaction is dictated by emotion not reason. Once there is a retraction of a 'blasphemous' statement the accused is allowed to go. This has been practised for centuries in muslim empires.

grin grin grin grin grin We'll see. What a lying sack of potatoes.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Sweetnecta: 8:04pm On Feb 12, 2012
@Samstradam: « on: Yesterday at 03:45:21 PM »
[Quote]I am confused- and I want to make it crystal clear that this post is being put forward by me as a consequence of my confusion and the need for me to get some clarification. Again this is not an attack on anyone or his beliefs. Feel free to check my previous post history for form.

For as long as I can remember, when having religious discussions with my muslim friends, I've been told that the big difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity lost it's way by the corruption of the Bible and our worship of Christ and the trinity concept- which practically all muslims interpret as worshipping three gods. So my understanding is Islam believes there is no divine personality but God ( Allah ) and anything else is heresy. So my understanding is Prophet Mohammed is neither divine nor to be worshipped.
But then I stumbled on this case which has led to my current confusion - so I'm asking again is Prophet Mohammed divine or not - and if not how is this case currently going on justified according to Quoranic and note NOT Islamic teachings. As this is for the sake of education, answers from Muslims and theoretical experts preferred.[/Quote]Some people protect the image of their beloved. Some over protect. Yet others, like yourself dont care enough about their beloved to be annoyed when lies are told about them. I was alive when Murtala Muhammad died in Nigeria. Obasanjo and all the members of the Supreme Military Council almost strung up Fela Anikulapo for his "lies" against Murtala.

When a person is dead, his/her integrity must at least be preserved. He or she can't respond to allegations, so those who care enough about him/her will have to take the mantle.

The saudi citizen should know that Saudi Arabia is the land of Muhammad [as]. If there is a prophet of God that God truly gave a land it is Muhammad [as], because everyone will gladly rename Saudi Arabia, indeed the whole of Arabia the land of Muhammad.

It is the love for Muhammad [as] that almost all love to copy almost all that we know about him.

It is his example that I follow that will not allow me to hurt any soul.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by davidylan(m): 8:10pm On Feb 12, 2012
Sweetnecta:

@Samstradam: « on: Yesterday at 03:45:21 PM »Some people protect the image of their beloved. Some over protect. Yet others, like yourself dont care enough about their beloved to be annoyed when lies are told about them. I was alive when Murtala Muhammad died in Nigeria. Obasanjo and all the members of the Supreme Military Council almost strung up Fela Anikulapo for his "lies" against Murtala.

When a person is dead, his/her integrity must at least be preserved. He or she can't respond to allegations, so those who care enough about him/her will have to take the mantle.

The saudi citizen should know that Saudi Arabia is the land of Muhammad [as]. If there is a prophet of God that God truly gave a land it is Muhammad [as], because everyone will gladly rename Saudi Arabia, indeed the whole of Arabia the land of Muhammad.

It is the love for Muhammad [as] that almost all love to copy almost all that we know about him.

It is his example that I follow that will not allow me to hurt any soul.


So what is the role of Allah here? Can we conclude then that he is a powerless, rudderless myth who requires his minions to protect the name of his "prophet"?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Sweetnecta: 9:01pm On Feb 12, 2012
^ Good point where reasoning is applied is always flying over your head you son of satan.
Yahweh protected His Quality when the israelites built cow to represent Him. He didn't just kill one person.
He perished 2 generations. [2 generations equal 40 years].

i know He became 'of my own power i can do nothing', later on.

Allah Al Jabbar is neither vengeful nor unable of His Power to do anything.

When Yahweh wanted the Egyptians dead, He sent angels that "only knew" [lol] which houses by spilled blood not on the door posts. Such a dumb concept. He killed them none the less.

He now becoming the weak unable to do anything of his own grown man is the silliest concept, and an outlet for Atheism and Agnostic to abound from your christian rank. Get that into your hard heart. I know you cant even bleed blood but ice water running in your veins.


Allah supported Isa bin Maryam [as] and didnt allow him to be killed by your jewish masters, while Jehovah failed to prevent murder on His son after all the begging, crying, etc at Gethsemane.

You need decisive God go to Allah. You need gods and semi gods, seek everything else to your own peril.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by LagosShia: 9:49pm On Feb 12, 2012
the issue of the saudi tweet was already discussed in another thread:

http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-869129.0.html
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by mazaje(m): 10:39pm On Feb 12, 2012
Why should a person be killed by other people for insulting prophet Mohammed in the first place? These same gons will latr tell you that Allah is just, merciful and compassionate, where the hell is the mercy and compassion, by the way when was the last time any muslim see Allah mete out justice, mercy or compassion to any body or any group of people? Why is it that muslims are always the ones fighting for Allah? Why is it that muslims are always he ones upholding his name and the name of his prophet and killing those that violate his laws and killings his alleged enemis? When will Allah strike dead those that blaspheme against him?. . .Why is it that its muslims that have to do EVERYTHING for Allah? When will Allah ever do ANYTHING for himself? Is it because he is imaginary and hence can NEVER do anything for himself?. . . .
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Kay17: 1:30am On Feb 13, 2012
Islam uses State power to gain and keep its followers in line. Free thought is being stamped out, the State jails and hangs people for personal harmless beliefs! An Islamic state is more or less a prison which extends to the mind. Saudi Arabia has a thought police with a fancy name, bars women from being independent, prevents them from driving, deprives them control over their lives, they can't vote, they are nobodies

No one wants to live in a State whereby all other religions are suppressed and where No human rights are guaranteed.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by mazaje(m): 1:50am On Feb 13, 2012
^^

What kind of useless society is that?. . Imagine people getting killed for blasphemy, why does Allah not strike those that insult him or his prophet dead himself, I thought they said he is alive? NONSENSE. .  .
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by diluminati(f): 9:21am On Feb 13, 2012
what beats me is why the U.S a free state as they say still maintain close ties with the evil Saudi Arabia.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Judek2(m): 1:42pm On Feb 13, 2012
Sweetnecta:

^ Good point where reasoning is applied is always flying over your head you son of satan.
Yahweh protected His Quality when the israelites built cow to represent Him. He didn't just kill one person.
He perished 2 generations. [2 generations equal 40 years].

i know He became 'of my own power i can do nothing', later on.

Allah Al Jabbar is neither vengeful nor unable of His Power to do anything.

When Yahweh wanted the Egyptians dead, He sent angels that "only knew" [lol] which houses by spilled blood not on the door posts. Such a dumb concept. He killed them none the less.

He now becoming the weak unable to do anything of his own grown man is the silliest concept, and an outlet for Atheism and Agnostic to abound from your christian rank. Get that into your hard heart. I know you cant even bleed blood but ice water running in your veins.


Allah supported Isa bin Maryam [as] and didnt allow him to be killed by your jewish masters, while Jehovah failed to prevent murder on His son after all the begging, crying, etc at Gethsemane.

You need decisive God go to Allah. You need gods and semi gods, seek everything else to your own peril.

In all your coarse write ups, we can only see Yahweh fighting for his people, destroying the enemies of his people, and not the people fighting for Yahweh.
They never fight in the cause of Yahweh,rather Yahweh fights for his own cause, and they only have to glorify him.

Jesus never ordered anyone to fight for him. He even told the women not to cry for him,but for themselves and their children.

No man fights for a living God.
[Matthew 26:53] Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

[John 18:36] Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it
were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."


Allah is weak and dead, SO, MUSLIMS MUST FIGHT FOR HIM,AND KILL ANYONE WHO BLASPHEMS AGAINST HIM.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Sweetnecta: 2:39pm On Feb 13, 2012
@Judek2: « #23 on: Today at 01:42:16 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 09:01:23 PM
^ Good point where reasoning is applied is always flying over your head you son of satan.
Yahweh protected His Quality when the israelites built cow to represent Him. He didn't just kill one person.
He perished 2 generations. [2 generations equal 40 years].

i know He became 'of my own power i can do nothing', later on.

Allah Al Jabbar is neither vengeful nor unable of His Power to do anything.

When Yahweh wanted the Egyptians dead, He sent angels that "only knew" [lol] which houses by spilled blood not on the door posts. Such a dumb concept. He killed them none the less.

He now becoming the weak unable to do anything of his own grown man is the silliest concept, and an outlet for Atheism and Agnostic to abound from your christian rank. Get that into your hard heart. I know you cant even bleed blood but ice water running in your veins.

Allah supported Isa bin Maryam [as] and didnt allow him to be killed by your jewish masters, while Jehovah failed to prevent murder on His son after all the begging, crying, etc at Gethsemane.

You need decisive God go to Allah. You need gods and semi gods, seek everything else to your own peril.

In all your coarse write ups, we can only see Yahweh fighting for his people, destroying the enemies of his people, and not the people fighting for Yahweh.
They never fight in the cause of Yahweh,rather Yahweh fights for his own cause, and they only have to glorify him.

Jesus never ordered anyone to fight for him. He even told the women not to cry for him,but for themselves and their children.

No man fights for a living God.[/Quote]If Jesus was Yahweh thats some coward one you have there running to Egypt if you remember. And all the killing done in Jericho, was that done for baal or Yahweh Who commanded it? What about the laws of apostasy and adultery in the Book of Moses that Jesus like John and Zacharias had to live by? You seem to be writing without any thought behind it; I dont blame you it runs in the christin family.



[Quote][Matthew 26:53] Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

[John 18:36] Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it
were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Allah is weak and dead, SO, MUSLIMS MUST FIGHT FOR HIM,AND KILL ANYONE WHO BLASPHEMS AGAINST HIM.[/Quote]Show me anytime, anyone, anywhere Yahweh came and fight and killed anyone. Just one name. One person because when Yahweh fought Jacob, Jacob overcame Him and you. When Yahweh was intense on killing Moses, a woman hair, Moses wife uncovered her hair to stop the effort. So what are you saying here; you or your Bibles of all of you are lying?
Allah says in the Quran so that you can reflect, if you have ability to think about it; If I make Jesus and all mankind die, who can ask me why? Stop all the silly verses of my kingdom is not of this world, while you say he is the king in this world, especially when you are quoting Isiah and Psalm to justify your confusion. You have to make up your mind, mehn. Or you are just like your father Paul the liar who was a killer also from the beginning like satan.
What a family; killing his only for strangers who still dont recognize him; see atheists and agnostics, mostly former christians.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 6:14pm On Feb 13, 2012
@ tbaba1234
Thank you. You are the only one who has given me the kind of response I was looking for, but if you could add a little more meat to it for e.g. It seems you feel the blasphemy law should be applicable in this case, why (or should I say how has he actually blasphemed)?
@ sweetnecta
Yet others, like yourself don’t care enough about their beloved to be annoyed when lies are told about them.
To the best of my knowledge we are not engaged in an ongoing fight, a discussion on politics or tribe, so I don’t understand why already I’m detecting aggression in your tone towards a response to my post. Yes, if it were to some of the other posts on this thread I can understand, but what have I said that already we have to deal with unnecessary personalisation. Again, for the umpteenth time, I started this because I wanted to be educated, but if you really need a squabble, unfortunately it seems there are many other posters on this thread who will be willing to indulge you. Anyway, on the bolded part, what lie are you accusing the Tweetor of telling?( again this is a question that has no double meaning )

@ LagosShia
With my little knowledge of Islam it seems the Shiites seem to be a more expressive branch- so say this had happened in Iran or so, would the tweets also be offensive to the typical Shiite? Please note I am not asking if an insult on The Prophet is more acceptable to Shiites, but these tweets as expressed, would it be deemed as an insult there to?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by samstradam: 6:31pm On Feb 13, 2012
I think I should come clean on what made me really interested in this topic besides the avenue to learn more about Islamic religion and culture. I indulge in a bit of poetry, and I must admit I find the tweets deeply poetic. Honestly without the poetry in the tweets I would have not started the topic. Now I am not a muslim nor do I read Arabic (another reason why I posted the original tweets in Arabic), so I must say it is the translation of the tweets in English that has caught my attention. Maybe it's the ignorance of looking at the tweets with my African Westernised eyes or my little undertsanding of Islam, but  I detect no offence or insult.


Looking at the first tweet I see nothing that seems negative until the writer complains about the "halos of divinity surrounding the Prophet", and accorrding to Tbaba, there seems to be nothing wrong with him casting that aspersion. He then follows it up with what could be seeen as the most negative statement in that tweet "I will not pray for you"- negative it seems but it seems to flow naturally from the previous line. And by the way do muslims pray for the prophet, I mean akin to the way some Catholics still pray for their dead?


The second tweet's negativity seems to occur at the end, but looking at it as a lover of poetry, the meaning a lot of people are going to get from it is not what I take from it. What I take from it is the "hate" he seems to infer is a direct consequence of him seeing the Prophet everywhere he turns, thus kind of saying he loves, hates and does not undertsand what he sees wherever he turns i.e. the Malud celebration going on that day. If that tweet is read line for line or phrase for phrase, then I can see the possible offence but not if read as a whole which is surely what a writer would intend.


Finally the last tweet's main theme seems to suggest an equal and fraternal love, something all the tweets have been building up to. I'm guessing the issue here would be how appropriate the inference of this is. That I leave for Muslims to discuss.


It's not new that people of the arts find Islam quite attractive. Especially if you are from this part of the world where Islamic writers and poets helped keep our culture  alive and written down in such a beautiful way for generations (Liyongo anyone).  It;s just amazing how different the Islam of then seems to be than that of now, especially when pertaning to the arts.


If this kid had written his tweets in prose or so I might understand the uproar, but in the way it's presented to me at the moment, especially he being a Muslim and a Saudi, I'm struggling to understand this response from the cradle.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by paradise00(m): 3:54am On Feb 14, 2012
Davidylan or didlyn or wat evr ur name is, if God permit u wl route in hell fire.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by davidylan(m): 7:20am On Feb 14, 2012
paradise00:

Davidylan or didlyn or wat evr ur name is, if God permit u wl route in hell fire.

did you mean to say "Allah" here or more precisely, "god"? grin Surah 19:71 already says you are going to hell by an irrevocable decree of Allah anyway. good luck.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by Sweetnecta: 4:55pm On Feb 14, 2012
^^^That verse speaks about you, unless you are not from the man specie.
starts from here verse 67: Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
then walk your way to 71 and see where you belong.
are you man or beast?
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by LagosShia: 7:57pm On Feb 14, 2012
davidylan:

did you mean to say "Allah" here or more precisely, "god"? grin Surah 19:71 already says you are going to hell by an irrevocable decree of Allah anyway. good luck.

that is not what it says.why do you form the habit of lying,then believing it and then repeating it?

everyone shall see what he was saved from as for those who will not enter it.that is it.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by LagosShia: 8:07pm On Feb 14, 2012
samstradam:

@ LagosShia
With my little knowledge of Islam it seems the Shiites seem to be a more expressive branch- so say this had happened in Iran or so, would the tweets also be offensive to the typical Shiite? Please note I am not asking if an insult on The Prophet is more acceptable to Shiites, but these tweets as expressed, would it be deemed as an insult there to?

undoubtedly,it would be seen as offensive.not believing in the Prophet (sa) or Islam is one thing.then issuing irresponsible statements meant to provoke and incite an uproar is another thing.no one is forced to believe but if you dont believe dont use that to offend those who do especially in a muslim country.

so undoubtedly the tweet is insulting.

regarding the judgement that would be passed down on the guy,i cannot say exactly because i am not an Ayatollah to do that.the marji-iiyah could best study this case and pass judgement against the boy or may be pardon him.

for instance if the statement by the guy was because he is naive or inexperienced and young and lacks knowledge,he could be pardoned, and ofcourse brought to understanding and then asked to repent.if not,i am not qualified to say what sort of punishment would be handed down on him.you should also take into consideration that the Prophet (sa) himself forgave his enemies and never sought revenge for personal offense or insult.so the question is,there is dafamation or blasphemy laws in muslim countries and should not be broken.we can now see that it is left for the appropriate authorities to interpret and implement the law.actually,i find it silly for anyone to know that making such statements would land him in trouble and violate a law and still go ahead to make such a statement.it is obvious the person is looking for trouble for himself or may be wants to be infamous.
Re: Questions - Due To Muhammad Tweets by deols(f): 8:40pm On Feb 14, 2012
what does anyone gain by speaking evil of the prophet.

How about David, Jude, frosbel and co being taught by their religion to respect people of other faiths?

THe guy most probably knew what the repercussion is before making such twitter posts.

Like tbaba said, an apology would be fine and there's a great deal of difference between Islam and what Muslims practice. I keep fingers crossed and await the verdict.

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