raumdeuter: EPL best Vincent Kompany disgraced once again in Europe

coogar:

it depends on the circumstance. mangala was never in control of the ball when he scored an own goal. he didn't commit an unforced error.

rooney giving the ball away when he had control of the ball is a defensive error. he was completely in possession & his error was not forced. he decided to make a clearance that gave the possession back to the opponents which ultimately led to a goal.



because rio had no control of possession when the goal was scored - that was what i was telling you earlier about british pundits necessity to blame someone for every goal scored. sometimes, you just have to applaud the opponent's ingenuity.

who committed the defensive error when maradona dribbled past 6 defenders and scored in mexico 86. if you are confused, ask dayokanu to help you out.

coogar:

but alaba & lahm weren't disgraced when they conceded 4 unreplied goals at home last season?

Nihilist:

WTF is this rubbish?

The man scored an own goal and kicked a man in his groin inside the box to give away a pen....

And your telling me that's not a defensive error.

Ferdinand failed to mark his opponent that was stood next to to him who subsequently, and you are talking nonsense about 'unforced error'?

Scoring an own goal is not an error, Conceding penalties is not an error. Can you not see that the defensive error stat is not suitable on its own to evaluate defenders?

Seriously do you read the stuff you write sometimes?

Nihilist:
WTF is this rubbish?
The man scored an own goal and kicked a man in his groin inside the box to give away a pen....

And your telling me that's not a defensive error.

Ferdinand failed to mark his opponent that was stood next to to him who subsequently, and you are talking nonsense about 'unforced error'?

Scoring an own goal is not an error, Conceding penalties is not an error. Can you not see that the defensive error stat is not suitable on its own to evaluate defenders?

Seriously do you read the stuff you write sometimes?

raumdeuter:
Half education is coogars problem

Its possible a player scored 3 own goals fouls for 3 penalties and still not have committed an unforced error

What is an unforced error?

Did Mangala kick the ball to where he intended? Yes or No?

Yes then Kudos to him and he should be awarded the goal

If No, that means it was an error. Was it forced or unforced?

coogar:

it's not a defensive error - allow your logic to take charge of you for once. someone must have placed mangala in that situation in the first place. damned if he made contact with the ball, damned if he didn't make contact with the ball & that's a defensive error?



it's not - according to opta!
only unforced errors count as defensive errors. if you are put in a situation where all your options would still lead to a goal, how is that a defensive error? a cynical human being like you should be asking why was the cross allowed in the box in the first place?



opta did not define it as an error - so it's not an error. terry's errors were defensive errors & so be it. go & start your own football statistics organisation & stop crying on the internet.



not every goal scored via own goal is a defensive error. not every penalty conceded is a defensive error. stop putting words in my mouth. each case is judged by it's merits.



unlike you, i apply logic....not emotions. you are too emotional for football.

Nihilist:
The only reason we are discussing this whole 'defensive error' malarkey is because you presented a chart showing Rio had made no defensive errors as proof that "Rio had still got it"

What we are doing is showing you the foolishness of using such a stat in isolation as proof of a defender's ability as you have done.

Statically Rio has no defensive errors, but he is error personified on the pitch....

Nihilist:
Statically Mangala has no defensive errors, yet he scored 1 and assisted 1 against his own team.

coogar:

stop lying.....
the only reason we are discussing this is because you lied rio had made 5 defensive errors this season. OPTA stats proved you are a compulsive liar. they do not have such stats on their data - so next time, name your statistics nihi stats so you don't confuse others with your guguru & epa stats you contrived to pull out from a baboon's arsê



stats are principally for the people who can read it logically, not people like yourself with a bag of emotions. has rio committed any defensive error for QPR this season like you claimed? a reputable organisation tasked to monitor such statistics says no - who the fück are you to dispute it?



statistics are facts!
error personified on the pitch is a matter of opinion. opinions are not facts. so stick to your opinion & i would stick to the facts. we are polar opposites!

Nihilist:
I dare you to reproduce the post where I said Rio had "5 defensive errors" like you claimed.
Now you have been floored by logic, you want to resort to inane pedantry.

What I said, and insist on, is that Rio is directly at fault for at least 5 of the goals QPR have conceded this far.

You are the one that went to start bringing stats you don't understand into the debate

coogar: [size=15pt]
you see - statistics are like shirley07's bikini. what they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal can be very vital.[/size]

afrodoc2: I like Perreira very much but i think things are not stable enough to introduce yet another teenager into the set up.
With Herrera out i believe the next options should be Valencia,Fletcher and Perreira in that order. I want a right footed player on the right side of that diamond that is why i rule out Anderson for that particular position.

coogar:

you can sue opta stats!
if i were you, i would agree statistics are facts but they sometimes do not tell the whole story.

you see - statistics are like shirley07's bikini. what they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal can be very vital.

what i will not have you do is to throw the baby with the bath water like all statistics are rubbish & should be ignored. we would go outside the corner of the street & trade blows if you dare such stunts.

Odunharry: Nice play Nani...Carvahlo tried too by providing cover 4 d centre back bt he gave away the ball many times..

Kudos sporting

coogar:

carvalho looks slow to me. everything he does seems like a task. it's like playing football is not natural to him. i don't rate him at all.

nani was good in parts but he wasn't as good as their last CL game. in fairness, that chelsea side is a strong side. they would take some stopping in europe.

coogar:

carvalho looks slow to me. everything he does seems like a task. it's like playing football is not natural to him. i don't rate him at all.

nani was good in parts but he wasn't as good as their last CL game. in fairness, that chelsea side is a strong side. they would take some stopping in europe.

SailorXY:
true about Carvahlo, his ball distribution sef is not up there with the best i was considering his age & prospects tho, but that lack of agility... chances he wont do well in EPL seem high
we should just look past him, we deserve better! step forward Strootman and Vidal

Odunharry:
ya...i agree he is slow bt he knows how to tackle bt he lost d ball many times to the oppont

SailorXY:
true about Carvahlo, his ball distribution sef is not up there with the best i was considering his age & prospects tho, but that lack of agility... chances he wont do well in EPL seem high
we should just look past him, we deserve better! step forward Strootman and Vidal

Shirley07:
This.
His worldcup performance didn't impressed me either.

coogar:

but then he has pawa
i was already dreaming of having him + phil jones + cattermole in our midfield in january.



i think quality midfielders are scarce everywhere these days. who's the equivalent of scholes & keane in this era? even kroos has been exposed in la liga, vidal's knees are dodgy, strootman rarely plays & fernandinho prefers the blue side of manchester.

Shirley07:
I disagree.
There are quality midfielders out there. Kovacic is an example and Pjanic is another. The likes of Koke, J. McCarthy, A. Iturraspe e.t.c are also quality midfielders that can walk into any top team.

coogar:

coogar:

which of these players can stand next to roy keane in his pomp? the closest player i have seen like that was essien in 2005 circa. a player who can play pretty if the opposition demands it & can go dirty if the opposition wants it. a combative box to box player that will sweat blood for the cause.

my friend, europe lacks such players.