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Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by ibidapko(m): 7:03am On Feb 29, 2012 |
MY TAKE IS THAT WE SHOULD REFER THIS SELF-SERVICE CONTROVERSY TO THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY? AT LEAST IT WILL GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO. REMEMBER THE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL?? THE LAW MAKERS REALLY ENJOYED THE DEBATE. BUT WAS IT NOT OBVIOUS THAT THEY CONDEMED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THEIR HOMOSEXUAL LOVERS WILL USE THAT TO DEMAND FOR MARRIAGE COMMITMENTS!! YOU WILL BE SURPRISED BY WHAT THEY WILL HAVE TO SAY ABOUT SELF SERVICE! |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by lonamy: 8:02am On Feb 29, 2012 |
FXKing2012: @FXKing2012, you see the problem you have knowing these pastors is the way Christ Embassy is organised; 1. You must not read any other book except your pastor's book, 2. You must not listen to any other messages except your Pastor's message, 3. You must not preach any other pastor's message except listen to Pastor chris message and download it. and so on and so forth. So in a way you have been encaged or rather enslaved unknowingly or better put you are a lawful captive. So you can't know these Pastors and because they don't advertise themselves, as Millions of dollars is spent in Christ Embassy on adverts through different media. If you want to know them, bring yourself out of the cocoon, and free your mind. Someone I know that left Christ Embassy to Winners, saw Pastor Adeboye preached, at winners shilo programme, for the first time in his life and he was amazed compare to the kind of teaching he thought, several years ago, was the best and no other Pastor is better preacher than Pastor Chris. Pastor Chris is a good preacher, I concor, but he is going too hay-wire and needs to be corrected. How can he say Ma$turbation is not a sin with all the level of bible he knows and the presence of Holy Spirit around him. Jesus said I will pray the father that he might send you the Holy Spirit that will teach you all things. Jesus knew that the content of the bible will not be sufficient enough and that in a way there will be controversy on some issues,like this one we are talking about, that is why Holy Spirit was promised. So if Holy Spirit is liveing in you, He will condemn you of your BAD and UNCLEAN habits. So the person that asked the question, may have been condemned in his spirit what he was doing and so Holy Spirit was in action there. So for a man of God, who believes and preaches so much on Holy Spirit, to have gone against what Holy Spirit condemned somebody several miles away, then Pastor must be going against the Holy Spirit himself. I don't like talking in this way, especially when it involves men of God. But I think I will be commiting a sin if I know the truth and choose to be silent. Whoever is reading this thread, and is very close to reach Pastor Chris, should please let him know what is going on here. @JoAgbaje the veterian defender of Pastor Chris, you have not really commented on this topic, your input has been very passive and the bible quotation you said is a food for thought, you need to read the KJV and NIV versions of that quote, that guy was too far away from whatthe bible was saying there, please. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by daregold: 8:37am On Feb 29, 2012 |
Interesting comments by everyone. The Problem is not Pastor Chris teaching, the problem is that we have believers that do not read their bibles even the few that read do not obey what they read by giving themselves reasons for disobedience. Matthew{5:28} But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. If that defiles a man, how much more the so called self-service. He that has ears, let him hear what the Spirit of God is saying. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Nobody: 8:44am On Feb 29, 2012 |
This is the second time Pastor Chris will be enmeshed on the doctrin of sin. The first time was when he said if 2 saints commit sexual sin, it is holy sin ! I will recommend that Chris should study SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY rather than all thses fake bible schools they go to if they attend any before starting ministry. His statement is a reflection of a un-informed pastor in the area of HAMARTIOLOGY (THE DOCTRIN OF SIN). There is no how you do self help service without imagining being with sex mate in fantasy, of course, sin start from the heart. There is a difference between wet dream of puberty age and masturbation. Before someone masturbates, what was on his mind? |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by skillet(m): 8:58am On Feb 29, 2012 |
how many of those pastors blasting rev chris have neva masturbated? how many of them still cheat on their wives? how many of them keep looting the church of God? all of them shuld shut up their mouths. pastor ayo asked christians to live by the sword in the north. he neva said they should rely on God to deliver them and nobody is saying anything becos so called christians are looking for revenge in the name of justice and self defence. and he called it survival of the fittest. is that what the Bible says about persecution? what has fitness got to do with a faith based religion like christianity? who asked you lot to judge? you will be judged yourself by the same measures you judge others. all of you, sorry all of us have masturbated and lusted at one time or the other, so what gives us the effontrey to castigate another man? what gives you the right to know what is sin and what is not? what gives pastor chris the right to know what is sin and what is not? what or who gave pastor ayo the right to ask christians to bear arms? he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. if you try it, i will expose you. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by FXKing2012(m): 8:59am On Feb 29, 2012 |
goshen360: Tunde Bakare is a politician, he can say anything to gain the support of the majority so I dont reckon with whatever opinion he's got. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by mabell: 9:04am On Feb 29, 2012 |
@ poster who told you it was a pastor that asked the question? |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by EEngineer1(m): 10:31am On Feb 29, 2012 |
@freecocoa, e be like sey u dey do am wel wel, dis one u r vehemently defending d man |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Melinde: 11:10am On Feb 29, 2012 |
fitzkenny: Gbam, !!!! Let me ask all those people that are asking for the bible verse. Don't you have conscience? Every human being has conscience that will judge each and everyone of us. Let your conscience judge you if it is sin or not. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by mbaemeka(m): 11:37am On Feb 29, 2012 |
The level of hypocrisy amongst Christians is befuddling. Jeez! Did you listen to the message at all? What is the Mans stand on Masturbation: that is unclean and a bad habit. what is his verdict: that it shouldnt be endorsed. what is prescribed therapy: Just stopping it. Getting hold more of your body. Bringing it to subjection of your spirit. Is it a SIN: NO. What the problem is? (intended lazy american english) What is Gods stand on smoking: (errrrmm, i dont know but using my conscience i would say it is a SIN), i ask such a person are you OK? Has God standard become subject to your conscience? Are you aware that Adolph Hitler killed Jews on saturday and would be the first in Church the following day? Do you know why he could do that? yes you guessed right. It was because his CONSCIENCE approved it! This isnt a matter of conscience or endorsement. It is plain and simple. IS IT A SIN? if yes, Please provide supporting scriptures let us learn. IF they dont exist.(and they dont) let it rest. You dont score points with God by telling people what SIN is or isnt. HYPOCRITES! Many of you that are really against it are the lots that practise it the most. You based it as a reason why you are running away from God (afterall i'm sinning why should i go to church?) Gods word has told you- YOU CAN STOP IT, BUT GOD ISNT HOLDING IT AGAINST YOU! so what does satan do? as usual, he fights the word, wrestles it out of weak hearts and supplants confusion and hypocrisy. Take a chill pill. Please. AND as for which pastor endorsed what and what- it doesnt really count. Paul said "when he met the who and who from the first christians that most of messages added nothing to him. . . . for God doesnt judge people by who and who endorsed them (seriously paraphrasing) Pastor Chris is a very balanced and bold teacher. He knew this would generate the controversy its generating but he still said the TRUTH. Theres no were in scripture that expressly or otherwise addresses masturbation as a SIN. let us not call a SIN what God hasnt. Dont be guilty of the same hypocritical act the folks that wanted to mob the woman that was caught committing adultery were guilty of. Jesus didnt endorse her act but he didnt condemn her either. (Even though the case of Adultery is/was lucid and express in scripture as a SIN) 1 Like |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by daviesmania(m): 12:38pm On Feb 29, 2012 |
Touch not my anointed & do my prophet no harm. Bor iffiok. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by coderXO(m): 1:35pm On Feb 29, 2012 |
Don't take whatever is uttered by your pastor as fact. Read your Bible or did he dare you ever disagree his teaching? We need to be discerning Christians. Hear and read the word and chew on it in our hearts and minds. Let me give you common-sense Christianity. i. If you are trying to look it up (whether or not it is a sin), it probably is. ii. If you are trying to find justification of something you do (that you publicly wouldn't admit), don't it. Simples! Praise God. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Socratez20(m): 3:39pm On Feb 29, 2012 |
why is it dt we all knw d tuth n shy away from it, it is obvious even from natural reasoning dt self service is nt ryt, let alone a highly renowned gospel preacher sayin is nt a sin, to all dosee supportin him knw dt d BIBLE says in d book of Romans dt 'who knowing d judgement of GOD dt de wch do such tinz r worthy of death nt only do desame bt av pleasure in dem dt do dem'.Dnt follow d multitude to commit evil. Stay +ve alwas! |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Nobody: 8:56pm On Feb 29, 2012 |
Pls ma fellow brethren, we ar turning dis thread into argument. Pls read up 2 Tim 2:23 and Titus 3:9. Let's jst pray dat God shud take control of this matter and open our eyez 2 knw d real truth, |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Amacaco: 11:12am On Mar 01, 2012 |
So what we are being told today is that any evil or wrong habit not specifically mentioned in the new testament by the name it is known is not sin. So every christian can now take cocaine, heroine, cigarettes, traffic in women and children, money laundering, and all such criminal activities all of which are repugnant to human mind simply because the Bible or New Testament did not say anything about it. I used to think that the work of the Holy Spirit is to bring us into the knowledge of all truth. The Spirit makes the letters of the Bible active and alive and brings us to appreciate the full meaning of God's word even in all generations. Let the Spirit of God direct us in our understanding of the bible instead of interpreting it like a Law Book or an Act of the National Assembly. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by coderXO(m): 11:29am On Mar 01, 2012 |
Quite astute @amacao. Well said. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by ayodele123(m): 6:29pm On Mar 29, 2012 |
Self service aka m.a.s.t.u.r.b.a.t.i.o.n. is contrary to the Bible in Leviticus 15:16 |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by oba009(m): 11:56am On Mar 30, 2012 |
ayodele123: Self service aka m.a.s.t.u.r.b.a.t.i.o.n. is contrary to the Bible in Leviticus 15:16RIGHT ON TARGET BRO, I LIKE THAT |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by toorich: 12:42pm On Mar 31, 2012 |
funny how those aggrieved by pastor chris's explanation cannot pin a single support from the bible. only God is qualified to determine what is sin or not sin, not your traditional assumptions of what you think is sin. that's why he gave us his laws in the bible. sin is not your moral belief based on your environment, culture, ethnic morality etc. sin is what God says is sin, that is why you have to search the bible to know what and what he calls sin and what he doesn't call sin(even though it may look improper). that something does not morally appeal to you does not give you the authority to call it sin because you are not God (same thing was told peter in a trance Act 10:13-17) its not within our jurisdiction. only God can define what is sin to him, after all it wasn't our idea the word "sin" in the first place. it will amaze you what God sees as sin (as simple as they may seem),e.g do you know eating or drinking too much is a sin? or talking too much? or using an image /symbol/animal/rosset to represent God is sin? Big question is Has God called "self service" sin (even if it may look morally out of place): NO (based on the scriptures) this is exactly what pastor chris has said. however, as Paul said "all things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient" (1cor 16:12)means the fact that something is not a sin doesn't mean you should do it, let alone be subject to it. same way that it is with self service as with every other habit/behavior/tradition/culture/necessity etc. as a christian you should exercise restrain and moderation in whatever area of life(not only in the area of self service). God wants his children to be masters in all mannerism of life by choosing what habit to keep or do away with and not being subject to base things that don't matter to God's kingdom (Heb 5:12). when you get mature in the things of God, you will focus on what pleases God most, then, you won't be entangled in vain arguments of if self service is sin or not. this is what pastor chris is clearly saying. conscience in its untamed state is never a recommended guide by God, that's why he gave us his holy spirit to be our guide. The holy spirit never condemns you (Rom 8:1)of your action rather he teaches and strengthens you to get things right, he never leaves(john 14:16). so if your conscience condemn you after the act and you think that self pity, withdrawal and condemnation is the ritual for your purification, better know that's from the devil not God because God will never condemn you for what Jesus already paid a price for.(john 3:16). rather he says "let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace , that we may obtain mercy and find grace in to help in time of need" (Heb 4:16). after all, he said "for if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things" (1jn 3:20) so the fact that your conscience feels condemned is not a sure proof that it is sin, only God can determine what is sin which He has already shown us in the bible. on the other hand, the fact that you feel good about something (which to you was morally right to do) doesn't mean its not SIN, remember all your actions you thought were right only to end up with terrible consequences. e.g read about Uzza in 1chron 13:9-12 . search the scriptures yourself and stop assuming and false pretense as though you know. |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by charlesbright(m): 1:20am On Aug 19, 2012 |
Hmm.. Its amazing how 'christians' keep arguing on such topic and each side is trying to prove themselves right from the bible.. The two views CANNOT be both right, one is definitely wrong! Well, all I'll say is this: Rev 22 11-14 "11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." God cannot be mocked! Every man will get his reward. Be you Pastor, Bishop, Reverend, Evangelist, Follower or 'Church goer' Everyman for himself! God's standards will never bend for what you believe irrespective of where you learn it from! Do what you know is right! |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by God2man(m): 8:41am On Oct 10, 2012 |
Freksy: The Bible's View of Self-service or Masturbation |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by Deschil: 5:36pm On Aug 11, 2013 |
Read your Bible yourself!!!! Self-service is an abomination before God. dare2think: Religion = Confusion |
Re: self-service Controversy: Pastors Blast Oyakhilome by greatnma: 8:28pm On Jul 22, 2014 |
Umunnem, going to "enigwe" is not going to "enugu".give your life to Jesus and He will give you the holyspirit that will lead you to all truth.One day both you, i and pastor chris will face the jugdement sit of God. |
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