mkmyers45:
I will be quoting from the bible too because we are told to confirm the quran against the bible.

I know you will tell me the tawraat you believe is not the torah in the present bible then ok how do you explain Sura 5:48 and Exodus 21:23-25,

mkmyers45: Sura 21:105 and Psalm 37:29

mkmyers45: Sura 7:40 (ali) and Luke 18:25,Mark 10:25

mkmyers45: Remember Sura 2:130 on the commandment to believe in all scriptures before the quran.

mkmyers45: Also Sura 5:71 clearly authenticates the law,gospel and relevations of the bible

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 21:105
And We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous] mention that the earth will be inherited by My righteous servants.


Psalm 37:29
The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 7:40
"Indeed, those who deny Our verses and are arrogant toward them - the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them, nor will they enter Paradise until a camel enters into the eye of a needle. And thus do We recompense the criminals".

Luke 18:25
For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

now compare what the Quran says about the rich:

Holy Quran 2:274
Those who spend their wealth [in Allah 's way] by night and by day, secretly and publicly - they will have their reward with their Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.

mkmyers45: Now that we have established facts, now kindly explain the context of Uthman compilation of the AQV

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 2:130
And who would be averse to the religion of Abraham except one who makes a fool of himself. And We had chosen him (Abraham) in this world, and indeed he, in the Hereafter, will be among the righteous.

what is the religion of Abraham?

mkmyers45: Ayesha's claim of missing and lost text??

LagosShia: more missionary lies and evil claims to undermine Islam using fabricated hadiths.

so if those verses were lost,how come they knew which verses they were and yet did not include the verses themselves in the Quran? the hadith contains internal contradiction.


When Did A Hungry Goat Eat Your "Verse Of Stoning To Death"?
God states in His fully detailed book, the Quran, that the adulterer and adulteress should be punished by one hundred lashes. The profound verses of Quran do not make any distinction between married and single adulterers (24:1,2).

Whether those who commit adultery are married or unmarried, white or black, rich or poor, their punishment must be one hundred lashes if they are proven guilty by four eye witnesses (24:4). The only exceptions are slaves, whose punishment is half of the free (4:25). This is the law of God who does not run out of words (31:27), is the best law maker (5:50), never forgets (19:64), and has detailed the Quran (11:1). Whoever looks for other sources of law disobeys the messenger (6:114). Believers do not subscribe to any religious source other than God's revelation (45:6).


Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them to the prophet and distorted God's law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to justify the punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. now,if the punishment is found in authentic hadith is a whole different case.but it is not found in the Quran. this law from of stoning is mostly found in the books of the Jews and their idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116).finding a way to smuggle into the Holy Quran the practice of stonning as punishment amounts claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear in 24:1-2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound and clear!!! personally i do not believe the practice of stonning as punishment is justified from the point of view of the Quran.the Quran putting forth flogging as punishment does not discriminate between those married and those unmarried.anyone committing adultery or fornication based on the Quran is to be flogged.


[size=14pt]The Collection and Preservation of the Qur'an [/size]
by Ayatullah Sayyid Abul Qasim al Khui

http://www.al-islam.org/tahrif_quran/

LagosShia:
please what is AQV?

mkmyers45: Also what are your thoughts on Sura 2:106 and the context of a sincere and honest allah?

Let me give you an example on the above:
You are told to learn the alphabets when you are in class 1.when you are in JSS 1,you are no longer taught alphabets and things as when you are in primary school.the school curriculum changes and as you progress you know more and you no longer are in need of the elementary teaching.there is no change of decree but progression.likewise in Allah’s revelation.we see for instance places where Jesus knelt and prostrated to God.but today muslims do those actions in a defined pattern.there is no change in the law that we must worship God even in a particular manner.for instance the jews before were commanded to pray 3 times as at the time of Moses and even Jesus.now we muslims are commanded to pray 5 times.so where is the contradiction in such progression in revelation? Whether 3 times or 5 times,both fall under the decree of worshipping God.that will not change even if you worship Him only once,but you must still worship Him in obedience and accepting Him as your Creator!

LagosShia:

here is an answer given a while back by myself:

https://www.nairaland.com/99773/mohammed-plagiarism-other-stories/6#10077326

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 5:71
And they thought there would be no [resulting] punishment, so they became blind and deaf. Then Allah turned to them in forgiveness; then [again] many of them became blind and deaf. And Allah is Seeing of what they do.

mkmyers45:

How does this answer me? Are you accepting the fact that some text were actually lost or eaten by a goat? Why was the compilation based on the recitation accounts of only 2 of the 4 reciters and faithful of the "Great Prophet"

LagosShia:

my friend,if you are deliberately trying to be annoying or looking for argument,then i would leave you alone.if you want to ask and know the answers,then as i have already done in your thread,i will answer you.

i have provided you with an answer i supplied previously on the allegation of a purported hadith by Aisha that a goat ate a verse of the Quran known as the "verse of stonning".i have provided an answer which denies any verse was lost.so please read the answer.

and you have not waited at all for me to complete my replies for your enquiries before you post back and even going ahead to argue.may be you are idle because its holiday ( "good friday" ) so you are looking for a way to pass time.

mkmyers45:

Correlation someone? Anyway, so the Bible is not the scripture to confirm the Qur'an with? then which scripture is refereed to in Sura 10:94, "If you have any doubt regarding what is revealed to you from your Lord, then ask those who read the previous scripture."

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 2:106
"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"

here is my reply in another thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/820495/christians-perspective-contradictions-quran#9723741

mkmyers45:

LagosShia

Are you trying to run away? Its ok if you do. I was never talking about the verse of stoning but about Qu'ranic compilation in reference to the perfect presentation of the words of Allah as pure and never changing or am i wrong?

mkmyers45:

Authorized Quaranic Version

LagosShia:

are you saying it is the bible that confirms the Quran or it is the Quran that confirms the bible? i do believe the bible confirms the Quran as a whole because the Quran was a book revealed by God to one man at a particular time.

the Quran on the other hand does not confirm the bible as a whole because it is a book of books written by different men at different times spanning over a 1000 years.

there are parts of the bible which undoubtedly can appeal even to a muslim because we believe the bible contains of the previous revelations.but the bible itself as a book is not revelation nor a book compiled by God or His messengers.the book was compiled by fallible men;what to add in it and what books were to be rejected was decided by councils of the early church fathers and even through voting!

if we believe as muslims that there are previous scriptures,certainly traces of the previous scripture can be found in the bible.the bible itself is not tawrat,zaboor or injil.but the bible contains traces from those past books that were revealed to the prophets of God.what found its way into the bible was what men around the prophets of God wrote or orally transmitted to others who wrote the accounts.the Prophet Muhammad (sa) was the only man who wrote what was revealed to him,instrcuted his followers to memorize the revelation and preserve it.

LagosShia:

my friend,there is nothing by any christian starting with the pope,your preachers of the highest order and organizations that can make me run away.just dont try to be stupid.

what you cited on Aisha's purported hadith is about a so called verse called "verse of stonning" that went missing and that i refuted.

mkmyers45:

So its OK for Allah's standards to change? I know even you are not convinced with the "Western Education" example you just gave. So its ok for everyone to be told to pray facing the east then later told to face anywhere after pressure from Arabs and later back to facing the east after the Arabian conquest?

mkmyers45:

Fallible men? Its your say but clearly the Qur'an was compiled by a man too and you think the memorized related everything exactly as they heard? How did the Sunni/Shi'ite division begin?

mkmyers45:

I said and i will repeat.....I am NOT a Christain or any religious adherent for that matter. I will expect the courtesy when talking to me.

LagosShia:

yes,you said you are not.but in practice you sound like one.when you present the cliches christians repeat and repeat,then you'd be treated accordingly based on those false allegations.

but a critical follower of the holy books so im here for mature discussion with Muslims on the wonders of the Qur'an.

mkmyers45:

So its OK for Allah's standards to change? I know even you are not convinced with the "Western Education" example you just gave. So its ok for everyone to be told to pray facing the east then later told to face anywhere [b]after pressure from Arabs [/b]and later back to facing the east after the Arabian conquest?

LagosShia: and this is what you call "mature discussion"?:



the muslims first faced jerusalem.then makkah and that never changed.what pressure and how many change you are talking about only is in your imagination.