afrodoc2:


Name one great fighter Tyson beat in that fighter's prime?

Tyson was sending out bums in 3 rounds. It was a weak division and this was known even before Tyson arrived, that was why the attention then was already on the middleweights and welterweights..

raumdeuter:

Thats why I am not impressed with Mayweather

chic2pimp:


I'm with you here Doc. As much as I love Iron Mike(easily one of the greatest heavyweights of all time), I'm truly struggling to name a Great Fighter He beat In that Fighter's prime. The Aura Tyson had in those early years was garnered by fighting bums. If we critically look into it, we'll see most of his wins were against your run of the mill average joes any boxer worth his salt would have beaten.

Then came the Hype and let's be honest, we all bought into it. From the Black trunks and Black boots to his shaven head. From the intimidating music to the wearing of No socks we all loved it. And we let our Love cloud our judgement. Tyson in His prime would not have beaten either Lewis or Vitali Klitschko. It's simply not happening. Any tall technically gifted fighter would have caused Tyson endless problems.

PlainJAY:
Pls stop derailing

Smellymouth:
That moment you realise international friendly game is over and you about going to 5th position..


Thank God I didn't say anything..

Ibime:


If we say Ali 'parked the bus' against Foreman, would that make you more comfortable?

Smellymouth:
That moment you realise international friendly game is over and you about going to 5th position..


Thank God I didn't say anything..

Nihilstjnr:
But Tyson dey beat Lennox Lewis in their sparing days na?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amclZ9nvfo0
88 Tyson was dat guy

Nihilstjnr:


But Tyson dey beat Lennox Lewis in their sparing days na?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amclZ9nvfo0

88 Tyson was dat guy

chic2pimp:

Nah the Hype did not match the substance on the ground. Had Cus not died so early in His career,Had He not gotten himself involved with Don "Parasite" King, Had He been fully committed and dedicated to the art that is boxing.....Lawd knows what He would have achieved. He had the aggression and fighting style of a street brawler whilst being an extremely skilled Boxer too.

Ibime:


No mind dem jare.

As if Foreman did not take 10 years out of the game.

As if Ali was not forced out for 3 years.

All manner of excuses for Tyson. This is someone who lost to Buster Douglas before he went to jail sef. When he came back beating Bruno and knocking out Seldon in under 2 minutes, we heard Iron Mike is back in form, until Holyfield reset his brain, then we started hearing he is past his prime.

Ibime:


The way Foreman beat Smoking Joe in Kingston should let niggas know wargwan. Foreman woulda murdered Ali in rematch but I heard Ali was ducking.

Fury would beat AJ if he regains fitness.

afrodoc2:


That rope-a-dope has been overhyped. It was nothing magical, it was just Ali betting his iron chin against Foreman's suspect stamina. He allowed Foreman to punch himself out and get exhausted, betting that Foreman would get tired before he (Ali) got knocked out.
In essence the rope-a-dope was based on the premise that Foreman had suspect stamina.
Skill and stamina can be worked on and the kind of stamina needed to fight the ferocious battles of the 70's was not required in the 90's.
Chin and punching power are God given.

Taking nothing from Foreman, he is one of the greatest ever heavyweights, likely 2nd only to Ali in terms of modern heavyweights. Had he not retired at 28 he might have gone down as the G.O.A.T

Ibime:
Tyson could beat Ali on a good day, but Foreman would flog him like he flogged Frasier.

We've already seen the Tyson-Foreman match up stylistically pre-enacted by Frasier-Foreman. Tyson would be out of there in 2 rounds.

A40:
Boxing is not mathematics but there were many Tyson's before Tyson. Foreman was Tyson on double portion of knockout anointing. Ali go too kpokpo am

chic2pimp:


Nah I would say Smoking Joe was Tyson before Tyson.

chic2pimp:


Nah I would say Smoking Joe was Tyson before Tyson.

Ibime:


Tyson was Joe stylistically with knockout power of Sonny Liston and chin of Frank Bruno.

A40:
In terms of stature. I'm talking straight explosive KO power

afrodoc2:


If you consider that Cooper was not a great boxer he gave Ali problems compared to some other greater boxers. For example Ali knocked Foreman out and Foreman could not knock him down, while Cooper knocked Ali down and Ali was so dazed that Angelo Dundee had to use underhand tactics to save Ali. Cooper fought Ali twice and Ali could not knock him down (both fights stopped by the ref due to cuts under his eye).
I would say Cooper was the 3rd most difficult opponent for a prime Ali after Smoking Joe and Ken Norton.

afrodoc2:

Foreman was slow moving and lumbering so he was ponderous. His 2 gifts were 1) his toxic punch (probably top 3 in boxing history) and 2) his chin which was an underated aspect of his skill set.

afrodoc2:

Back to AJ and Wilder i actually believe AJ will win don't get it twisted, however i think you are wrong about Wilder. He definitely has more power or 1 knockout power than AJ. Check the knockouts of both of them. AJ has more of them from cumulative punishment finished of with deadly COMBINATIONS, Wilder is the one that has the deadly single punch knockouts. Remember Wilder is not a precise puncher so few of his combinations actually land. Wilder takes fewer LANDED DIRECT HITS to knockout an opponent than AJ that is why i know he has the more dangerous single punch KO ability.
What i have explained above is why i believe AJ has to be extra careful cos even though he is obviously the better boxer and more likely to win, if the fight is to be decided by one single/lucky punch it is more likely to be Wilder swinging it.

jonsnow92:
Alli knew Foreman lacked Stamina frankly..In Foreman's fight against Frazier,in the 2nd round or so after Foreman had knocked Frazier out like the 5th time in 2 rounds, Foreman placed his hands on the ropes as though resting..Angelo dundee later said in a later interview many years later that Alli was watching that fight and murmured NO Stamina to him..So its safe to say Alli knew all along,

jonsnow92:

Also Foreman's opponents looked like idiots because Foreman had great punching power and was very domineering..Infact i dont think Foreman ever trained for his fights to go the distance,maybe thats why he always tried to get the knockout punch quickly..Alli knew all this and thats why Alli kept ducking and taunting so the fight would go the distance and eventually tire Foreman out.

chic2pimp:


Haha Frank Bruno's chin had me.

Nihilstjnr:


All this one is story. Your argument is that Mike Tyson did not fight Top Class Opposition.

I don't need him to fight top class opposition to predict who he would have beat.

His Legacy is different from a theoretical matchup between two fighters.

I'm looking at the technique and his style in the late 80s and comparing it to Mohammed Ali's style and I'm confident, Ali would have been bagged up like Weed.

Tyson switched up his style in the 90s and went off the rails. Went to jail a couple of times, and struggled with mental illness.

Ring magazine will look at his entire career including these dark times where he was skipping training sessions in camp to go and party.

I'm looking at a very specific era. A very specific year.

1988 Iron Mike was GOD. That 20 year old will have killed ANYBODY. Ali especially would have been finished like Mo Salah

Nihilstjnr:


Tyson was at his peak in 1988. By the time he fought Buster Douglas 2 years later he was already on Bipolar medication. By 91 he would be in court for rape. He wouldn't fight again till 95 and by then his personal life was more or less in chaos. His fighting style changed significantly when he came out of jail and in effect 88 Tyson and 90s Tyson are 2 completely different fighters who happen to share a name.

I don't really care who he fought post 88 or maybe even 89 when he destroyed Frank Bruno. The point is that 88 was his peak period, and that kid would have beaten any gaddem person.

A40:

Top 10 all-time heavyweights Tyson can never smell that list

neezar:

Madt man...where u enter since??