hensben: bro you have a very low football knowledge no offence, chelsea just rise to stardom and you expect them to win ucl just like that...you think say ucl na moi moi . Sir alex ferguson spent 27 years at man united and won just 2 ucl says a lot about the tournament.

Coming from you, I take absolute no offence whatsoever. Your footy knowledge is limited to the English league and even at that i don't even think you know much about the league anyways

Del Bosque won it twice in 3 seasons. So did Pep
Ancelotti has won it three times now. So why use Fergie as the yardstick.

Katsumoto:

First - I don't see the difference between what you stated and how I phrased you. The key point to note in your statement is that box-to-box is given license to bomb forward while anchor isn't given that license.

Second - a defender can operate as a center forward ..... with varying levels of efficiency off course (your words and logic). Since the level of efficiency is not so important, I wonder why coaches don't replace strikers with defenders when the strikers are not delivering. Why not switch the roles of Torres and Cahill? Just a thought.

If you of course agree that efficiency is important do you mind explaining why Vieira was selected more times than Makelele for France? Or why Davids started more games than Aron Winter when both were in the Dutch Team?

Well technically anybody can play anywhere... We've all seen Luiz play in Midfield, Bale play Upfront, Yaya Toure play in defence, and Terry in Goal.

However, the roles in contention today are the box-to-box and anchor man positions. Both positions are in central midfield, both have defensive duties, and both are passive roles by default in relation to ball posession. Like I said, the only difference between a B2B and Anchor Man is the license to go forward and join attacks. The B2B is not the main creative force of the team, and he is not required to be the chief orchestrator of attacking moves. The only major thing the B2B does different to the anchorman is arrive late in the box for cutbacks and crosses...A la Ramsey and Yaya Toure.

Are you saying that an Anchor man does not have the ability to run to the edge of the box and kick or head the ball in the direction of the goal post?

Linking this argument back to your earlier ludicrous assertion that Makalele was a limited footballer, Are you saying the man you saw in Ibime's video could not run into the box and score a header/tap in?

Katsumoto....You need Jesus.

A40:
This is one of the biggest myths and urban legends in football. You would be suprised at just how many people think Makelele invented or perfected the DM role I can't help but chuckle each time I see it

Absolutely one of the biggest myths in Footy History.
As I keep saying what did Makalele do that hasn't been done before?

Nihilist:

Well technically anybody can play anywhere... We've all seen Luiz play in Midfield, Bale play Upfront, Yaya Toure play in defence, and Terry in Goal.

However, the roles in contention today are the box-to-box and anchor man positions. Both positions are in central midfield, both have defensive duties, and both are passive roles by default in relation to ball posession. Like I said, the only difference between a B2B and Anchor Man is the license to go forward and join attacks. The B2B is not the main creative force of the team, and he is not required to be the chief orchestrator of attacking moves. The only major thing the B2B does different to the anchorman is arrive late in the box for cutbacks and crosses...A la Ramsey and Yaya Toure.

Are you saying that an Anchor man does not have the ability to run to the edge of the box and kick or head the ball in the direction of the goal post?

Linking this argument back to your earlier ludicrous assertion that Makalele was a limited footballer, Are you saying the man you saw in Ibime's video could not run into the box and score a header/tap in?

Katsumoto....You need Jesus.

That there is the crux of the debate - why was Makelele unable to that when he played for Madrid and Chelsea? Your position, based on what you are stating, is that Makelele didn't do it because he was given instructions. I posit that Makelele didn't do it in the tougher leagues because he was limited. Paul Ince wasn't even a box-to-box DMF but he scored many goals for united; why couldn't Makelele do that? Ditto for Hamann at Newcastle and Liverpool.

And yes, I do have Jesus.

After seeing the video, they claimed it was in an easier league. Forgetting the same Makelele led his team to UCL semifinal.

Abeg tell me how a team from soft league reached UCL semifinal.

The 90s was not like today where you have major disparity in quality of league.

Whilst Manure failed to go anywhere in UCL until 1999, teams like Monaco, Marseille and Nantes were dominating in UCL. regularly reaching semifinals and winning it in Marseille case.

So shebi French league na backwater league, if so what would we call EPL?

Shouldn't we be debating why fat Wayne Rooney was given a higher FIFA 15 rating than Gotze and Diego Costa?

Katsumoto:

That there is the crux of the debate - why was Makelele unable to that when he played for Madrid and Chelsea? Your position, based on what you are stating, is that Makelele didn't do it because he was given instructions. I posit that Makelele didn't do it in the tougher leagues because he was limited. Paul Ince wasn't even a box-to-box DMF but he scored many goals for united; why couldn't Makelele do that? Ditto for Hamann at Newcastle and Liverpool.

And yes, I do have Jesus.

For the same reason why Carrick doesnt do it at Manyoo, Busquets doesnt do it at Barca, and Arterta doesnt do it at Arsenal.

Tactical Discipline.

These are players that can read the game to make the all important interceptions, the technical skills and vision to launch either defence-splitting 45 yard pass or simple 3 yard pass, the football intelligence to know exactly what to do at the right time, and the discipline to play to the manager's instructions.

All the players listed above play in the Makelele role, which one of them is technically limited?

Katsumoto:
That there is the crux of the debate - why was Makelele unable to that when he played for Madrid and Chelsea? Your position, based on what you are stating, is that Makelele didn't do it because he was given instructions. I posit that Makelele didn't do it in the tougher leagues because he was limited. Paul Ince wasn't even a box-to-box DMF but he scored many goals for united; why couldn't Makelele do that? Ditto for Hamann at Newcastle and Liverpool.
And yes, I do have Jesus.

i disagree with you....
makelele didn't do it not because the little man was limited. he wanted to be a destroyer & since the other prima donnas in the galactico never bothered to track back, makelele threw down the gauntlet & became a one man wrecking crew giving the opposition nightmare.

claude makelele
“It’s the ultimate honour to have it (The Makelele Role) named after me, I suppose it shows that I have achieved everything I have worked for, I really learnt how to play that role at Real Madrid where, if we were losing 1-0, we would say ‘Right, lock up shop’. The four at the back and the one in front of them – me – would concentrate only on defence and let the others go and do what they had to up front. They would take the risks, I would take care of the opposition’s attacks.


In every team you need to know what your role is and one of the keys to my role is to keep the balance of the team right. So when Didier [Drogba] goes here, I do this. When Frank [Lampard] goes there, I go there. Same with Michael [Ballack]. When one person moves out of position, then someone else comes in and covers for them.

When you play in my position you have to enjoy it. You can’t be thinking: 'I don’t get any goals’. You just enjoy it, you enjoy playing football, tackling, giving the ball. Just enjoy it. When you are small you have to tackle at the right moment. He might be tall, he might be strong but if you tackle at the right moment you’ll win it. It’s about timing.”
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makelele has the ability to do anything required, he just wanted to be a football assassin at the back & help the team win.

AirborneLacer: Shouldn't we be debating why fat Wayne Rooney was given a higher FIFA 15 rating than Gotze and Diego Costa?

Class is permanent that why

SIRcumalot:
Class is permanent that why

What has Class got to do with current form?

Gotze and Costa shits on Rooney at the moment.

Maybe you should explain this ya class theory

AirborneLacer:

What has Class got to do with current form?

Gotze and Costa shits on Rooney at the moment.

Maybe you should explain this ya class theory

Your answer below

To know how good a player is, you shouldn’t look to his rating. It only shows, generally, how popular he is, allowing you to compare him with the others. The overall rating is NOT an average or an reflection of the all attributes. It isn’t derived from the actual technical, mental and physical attributes. It represents the players’ reputation. EA Sports assigned the ratings to the players according to the league that they play, the club, the performances and the role they have in their teams.

www.fifauteam.com/fifa-14-ultimate-team-players-guide/

AirborneLacer:
What has Class got to do with current form?

Gotze and Costa shits on Rooney at the moment.

Maybe you should explain this ya class theory

rooney is a more marketable asset....
what does it matter though? it's only a game....a meaningless stat made by EA sports. the stats are even editable on the game....all my online friends pump all their players to 100 anyways.

coogar:

rooney is a more marketable asset....
what does it matter though? it's only a game....a meaningless stat made by EA sports. the stats are even editable on the game....all my online friends pump all their players to 100 anyways.

It's that bad!

coogar:

rooney is a more marketable asset....
what does it matter though? it's only a game....a meaningless stat made by EA sports. the stats are even editable on the game....all my online friends pump all their players to 100 anyways.

AirborneLacer:

It's that bad!

when is the game launching sef?

Nihilist:

Your answer below

www.fifauteam.com/fifa-14-ultimate-team-players-guide/

So going by the explanation, we should expect Costa to hit the highest of ratings soon?

God is good

AirborneLacer:

What has Class got to do with current form?

Gotze and Costa shits on Rooney at the moment.

Maybe you should explain this ya class theory

am sure their Overall rating as increased from FiFa 14 now if they maintain this level of performance they deserve to be rated below Rooney.
is Balotelli still above 80 ?
And how did you get the game so fast ?

coogar:

when is the game launching sef?

This month, dunno the particular date.

Tval:

i swear....
you would just see agbonlahor & n'zogbia breeze past your top defenders like they aren't there. i just have up playing the classic game.

the fun these days is in the ultimate team feature on the game - you win games, gain credits & use your credits to build a world class team, buy a stadium & play other gamers all over the world.

in 2011 circa, i had one of the scariest teams in the world. i was in the top 200 sef but that ish was too difficult to follow. you listen to podcasts to know when there would be happy hour. shyte was mad fun back then.

SIRcumalot:
am sure their Overall rating as increased from FiFa 14 now if they maintain this level of performance they deserve to be rated below Rooney.
is Balotelli still above 80 ?
And how did you get the game so fast ?

Yet to get it mate.

I doubt I would anyway - This nigger has got way important stuffs on his mind.

Ibime: After seeing the video, they claimed it was in an easier league. Forgetting the same Makelele led his team to UCL semifinal.

Abeg tell me how a team from soft league reached UCL semifinal.

The 90s was not like today where you have major disparity in quality of league.

Whilst Manure failed to go anywhere in UCL until 1999, teams like Monaco, Marseille and Nantes were dominating in UCL. regularly reaching semifinals and winning it in Marseille case.

So shebi French league na backwater league, if so what would we call EPL?

Champions league Winners by Country
Spain - 14
England 12
Italy - 12
Germany - 7
Netherlands - 6
Portugal - 4
France - 1
Scotland - 1
Romania - 1
Yugoslavia - 1

Yes the French league is ultra elite in Europe; so competitive it has won as much ECL titles as Romania and Scotland.

coogar:

i disagree with you....
makelele didn't do it because the little man just enjoyed tackling. he wanted to be a destroyer & since the other prima donnas in the galactico never bothered to track back, makelele threw down the gauntlet & became a one man wrecking crew giving the opposition nightmare.

claude makelele
“It’s the ultimate honour to have it (The Makelele Role) named after me, I suppose it shows that I have achieved everything I have worked for, I really learnt how to play that role at Real Madrid where, if we were losing 1-0, we would say ‘Right, lock up shop’. The four at the back and the one in front of them – me – would concentrate only on defence and let the others go and do what they had to up front. They would take the risks, I would take care of the opposition’s attacks.


In every team you need to know what your role is and one of the keys to my role is to keep the balance of the team right. So when Didier [Drogba] goes here, I do this. When Frank [Lampard] goes there, I go there. Same with Michael [Ballack]. When one person moves out of position, then someone else comes in and covers for them.

When you play in my position you have to enjoy it. You can’t be thinking: 'I don’t get any goals’. You just enjoy it, you enjoy playing football, tackling, giving the ball. Just enjoy it. When you are small you have to tackle at the right moment. He might be tall, he might be strong but if you tackle at the right moment you’ll win it. It’s about timing.”
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makelele has the ability to do anything required, he just wanted to be a football assassin at the back & help the team win.

That's like me saying 'I am not as rich as Zuckerberg because I love working as a ........... (whatever that is)'.

Makelele stats
0 goals - Madrid 94 apps
2 goals - Chelsea - 144 apps
1 goal - .PSG 98 apps
0 goals - France 71 apps

Its no wonder we have to go all the way back to the mid-90s to find footage of attacking play.

Katsumoto:

Champions league Winners by Country
Spain - 14
England 12
Italy - 12
Germany - 7
Netherlands - 6
Portugal - 4
France - 1
Scotland - 1
Romania - 1
Yugoslavia - 1

Yes the French league is ultra elite in Europe; so competitive it has won as much ECL titles as Romania and Scotland.

This is a bit misleading. In the era Makelele was in Nantes the French League was better than the EPL.

In 1993 Marseille won the champions league

In 1994 Monaco got to the semi final

In 1995 PSG got to the semi final

In 1996 Nantes got to the semi final

In fact i believe 1997 was the first year an English team did better than a French team in the champions league and that was the year Makelele left France for Spain.

France had 1 winner and 3 semifinalists in 4 years, England had 2 2nd round and 2 group stage exits in the same 4 years. The Serie A,La Liga and Ligue 1 were top dog in those years

Katsumoto:

Champions league Winners by Country
Spain - 14
England 12
Italy - 12
Germany - 7
Netherlands - 6
Portugal - 4
France - 1
Scotland - 1
Romania - 1
Yugoslavia - 1

Yes the French league is ultra elite in Europe; so competitive it has won as much ECL titles as Romania and Scotland.

Thís is why you are a pseudo intellectual aka Google analyst.

We watch thís shít and you run to Google.

In the 1990s, Makelele was playing in French league, one of the two or three best leagues in Europe as evidenced by their teams always making semifinal or final, whilst Blackburn and Manure were almost always knocked out in first round.

Thís Google analyst would soon tell us Portuguese league is one of the best based on what Benfica did in the 60s.

We the football heads were watching footie, he was busy reading Okeke physics, then he'll come 18 years later to argue based on what he researched on Wikipedia.

I brought up Nantes to show that Maka is not limited, he is simply a specialist like Busquets.

I did not need to show his attacking play for at Nantes anyone with an iota of footie intelligence to know he is technically excellent. Football watchers already know he is a playmaker par excellence.

Thís Katsumoto is just a maga who doesn't know jack about footie. We see how his favourite player Gerrard always shows his limited technique when he plays in Maka position. You would either see Gerrard dashing the ball to opposition strikers or failing to control simple bàlls and dashing bàlls to Demba Ba, Henry, Drogba, Zidane and co. when asked to do simple things that Maka does in his sleep.

Get lost fückface!

afrodoc2:


This is a bit misleading. In the era Makelele was in Nantes the French League was better than the EPL.

In 1993 Marseille won the champions league

In 1994 Monaco got to the semi final

In 1995 PSG got to the semi final

In 1996 Nantes got to the semi final

In fact i believe 1997 was the first year an English team did better than a French team in the champions league and that was the year Makelele left France for Spain.

France had 1 winner and 3 semifinalists in 4 years, England had 2 2nd round and 2 group stage exits in the same 4 years. The Serie A,La Liga and Ligue 1 were top dog in those years

We know the footie watchers from the pseudo intellectuals.

You even forgot to add that Monaco were semifinalist in 1997 or 1998, knocking out Manyoo along the way with that David Trezeguet thunder strike.

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Ibime:

We know the footie watchers from the pseudo intellectuals.

You even forgot to add that Monaco were semifinalist in 1997 or 1998, knocking out Manyoo along the way with that David Trezeguet thunder strike.

Really anyone who was truly watching football in the early 90s won't have brought up that table Katz brought up. My excuse for him is that he was trying to mislead those who don't know better.
The French league between 1990 and 1996 was better than the EPL.....Monaco,PSG,Marseille,Nantes,Bordeuax were going to finals and semi finals in Europe.At that time only the Serie A was clearly better than Ligue 1

afrodoc2:


This is a bit misleading. In the era Makelele was in Nantes the French League was better than the EPL.

In 1993 Marseille won the champions league

In 1994 Monaco got to the semi final

In 1995 PSG got to the semi final

In 1996 Nantes got to the semi final

In fact i believe 1997 was the first year an English team did better than a French team in the champions league and that was the year Makelele left France for Spain.

France had 1 winner and 3 semifinalists in 4 years, England had 2 2nd round and 2 group stage exits in the same 4 years. The Serie A,La Liga and Ligue 1 were top dog in those years

How is it misleading? Has France won more than 1 ECL? Was Makelele in the team that won the only French ÈCL title?

The debate wasnt about which league was stronger in the 90s or 80s or 70s. I stated the the french league is 2ns tier and i was being kind. Its more like 3rd tier.

Ibime:

We know the footie watchers from the pseudo intellectuals.

You even forgot to add that Monaco were semifinalist in 1997 or 1998, knocking out Manyoo along the way with that David Trezeguet thunder strike.

Omo i remembered o, i just did not want to mention it . U forget say i be Man Utd fan?
Edge of 18 yrd box bullet shot over Van Der Gouw ( i believe Schmeichel was injured for that match). Ikpeba,Henry,Trezeguet

afrodoc2:

Really anyone who was truly watching football in the early 90s won't have brought up that table Katz brought up. My excuse for him is that he was trying to mislead those who don't know better.
The French league between 1990 and 1996 was better than the EPL.....Monaco,PSG,Marseille,Nantes,Bordeuax were going to finals and semi finals in Europe.At that time only the Serie A was clearly better than Ligue 1

Misleading is an inaccurate term. I didn't restrict my assessment to the 90s or any other decade.

Katsumoto:

How is it misleading? Has France won more than 1 ECL? Was Makelele in the team that won the only French ÈCL title?

The debate wasnt about which league was stronger in the 90s or 80s or 70s. I stated the the french league is 2ns tier and i was being kind. Its more like 3rd tier.

It is misleading cos when Makelele was making all those runs in Nantes it was arguably the 2nd toughest league in Europe, so do not make it seem like he was playing against "otu oshi" players then.
I was just on the side line enjoying the debate anyway and i am not surprised that the NL tendency to twist the facts to win arguments has shown its face.

The quality of the league between 1991 and 1997 was in question i.e the period Makelele was dribbling all those players and making those runs.
A fair comparison would be to compare the results of French and English teams in Europe in that time frame NOT lifting all time records that stretch from when Makelele was not born to when Makelele had retired.
How does the present quality of the French League tell us more about the quality of players Makelele was beating in the video ?