Dayo, use thís Gerrard video hold yourself.

Thís is not his bloopers video, just a compilation from a single England match to show what a headless chicken he is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYHggzKlAi4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

coogar:

so you don't agree uncle claude was a specialist?

Your arguement was that he was the best ever DM and my arguement was that He is far from it.

chic2pimp:
Your arguement was that he was the best ever DM and my arguement was that He is far from it.

if he's not the best, why was the role named after him?

coogar:

if he's not the best, why was the role named after him?

And I keep telling you it was none other than the English journos(Alan Hansen probably started it on MOTD) that called it just that.

Ibime: Dayo, use thís Gerrard video hold yourself.

Thís is not his bloopers video, just a compilation from a single England match to show what a headless chicken he is:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYHggzKlAi4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Na now your head correct Fatbime

Instead of spitting opata say na Makelele be first DM ever. He was a good DM in his time and thats it, Naming it after someone means nothing.

it probably means thats the first time English media are seeing a decent player

chic2pimp:
And I keep telling you it was none other than the English journos(Alan Hansen probably started it on MOTD) that called it just that.

keane won a treble, vieira won the double & even went unbeaten. there was gilberto silva in the league too. let's even assume these english pundits don't have the means to watch UCL & they are blind selectively when european clubs come to england to play......

you mean hansen just chose makelele out of the more than 20 super world class midfielders the english league had produced before 2003? hansen must be shaggïng makelele then to name-role him while ignoring hoddle, scholes, robson, petit, etc.

biko, look for another excuse.

One of those clueless jounos told us 2 German players would make the English lineup in 2010

raumdeuter: One of those clueless jounos told us 2 German players would make the English lineup in 2010

LOL that thing dey pain you sha!
But una don flog them since na ,so u suppose don forget am by now

afrodoc2:

LOL that thing dey pain you sha!
But una don flog them since na ,so u suppose don forget am by now

Some opata yarns define a generation and that was one, similar to saying Godwin Okpara would win Ballon D or

raumdeuter: One of those clueless jounos told us 2 German players would make the English lineup in 2010

on paper, that assertion was the truth!

not even german fans believed they would go far in that tournament - they were a buncha kids that just won under-21 european championships but then the germans defied the odds by proving experience can be overrated.

coogar:

keane won a treble, vieira won the double & even went unbeaten. there was gilberto silva in the league too. let's even assume these english pundits don't have the means to watch UCL & they are blind selectively when european clubs come to england to play......

you mean hansen just chose makelele out of the more than 20 super world class midfielders the english league had produced before 2003? hansen must be shaggïng makelele then to name-role him while ignoring hoddle, scholes, robson, petit, etc.

biko, look for another excuse.

Chale you'd have to go ask Hansen why he decided to call it the Makalele Role. No other country's journalist calls it that. Maybe unlike their British counterparts, other countries journos have been fortunate to have seen better DM who knows. All I know was the short man was far from the being best DM ever

coogar:

on paper, that assertion was the truth!

not even german fans believed they would go far in that tournament - they were a buncha kids that just won under-21 european championships but then the germans defied the odds by proving experience can be overrated.

On paper

English journos have always believed their teams have been good enough to win most tournaments. Its the same thing every two years; hope followed by disappointed. I don't believe England will ever win a top tournament unless they get a coach like Mou and win like Greece did in 2004.

coogar:

on paper, that assertion was the truth!

not even german fans believed they would go far in that tournament - they were a buncha kids that just won under-21 european championships but then the germans defied the odds by proving experience can be overrated.

On paper there was Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Klose, Neuer, who were senior players and better than anything England had in those positions

You cant be claiming the experience of Joe Cole would beats the inexperienced talent of Neymar. Then you would end up with a bloodied nose like in South Africa

chic2pimp:

Chale you'd have to go ask Hansen why he decided to call it the Makalele Role. No other country's journalist calls it that. Maybe unlike their British counterparts, other countries journos have been fortunate to have seen better DM who knows. All I know was the short man was far from the being best DM ever

But Hansen, and by extension coogar, is right about the Makelele role

Makelele Role - for those midfield anchors who can't join attack or are instructed not to join attack.

Katsumoto:

But Hansen, and by extension coogar, is right about the Makelele role

Makelele Role - for those midfield anchors who can't join attack or are instructed not to join attack.

Nah so we see am so

Nevermind redefined Maka invented the DM role in footy sef. The likes of Rijkaard and Lothar(in his latter years) have him to thank

chic2pimp:

Nah so we see am so

Nevermind redefined Maka invented the DM role in footy sef. The likes of Rijkaard and Lothar(in his latter years) have him to thank

LOL
To be fair this debate can't be sorted until people's definitions of DM are harmonized. If a DM is defined then we can decide who was the best that ever did it

raumdeuter:
On paper there was Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Klose, Neuer, who were senior players and better than anything England had in those positions

klose better than rooney in 2010? you are a tool! schewini isn't better than lampard & gerrard and lahm at best was ashley cole. so who else do you have apart from kids no one knew how they would turn up in a big tournament like the world cup.

hindsight is a bïtch - stop yapping your mouth.

You cant be claiming the experience of Joe Cole would beats the inexperienced talent of Neymar. Then you would end up with a bloodied nose like in South Africa

you are talking nonsense again.
2010 was the year rooney scored 34 goals in england. you had no striker better than rooney that year. cole was still buzzing too. the rio/terry defensive partnership is better then anything you could come up with.

the only rubbish players england had then were johnson & barry.

Katsumoto:
On paper
English journos have always believed their teams have been good enough to win most tournaments. Its the same thing every two years; hope followed by disappointed. I don't believe England will ever win a top tournament unless they get a coach like Mou and win like Greece did in 2004.

as a team, they are woeful
but if we were to follow the nonsense dayo is spewing here & compare the talents on individual basis, the english players were better than their german counterparts.

the snag is - for england, the sum of the parts is less than the expected output. for germany, the sum of the parts exceeded the expected output by a country mile. what did ozil, muller, podolski, etc achieve before 2010 world cup to compare to gerrard, lampard & rooney?

seriously.....

coogar:

klose better than rooney in 2010? you are a tool! schewini isn't better than lampard & gerrard and lahm at best was ashley cole. so who else do you have apart from kids no one knew how they would turn up in a big tournament like the world cup.

hindsight is a bitch - stop yapping your mouth.



you are talking nonsense again.
2010 was the year rooney scored 34 goals in england. you had no striker better than rooney that year. cole was still buzzing too. the rio/terry defensive partnership is better then anything you could come up with.

the only rubbish players england had then were johnson & barry.



as a team, they are woeful
but if we were to follow the nonsense dayo is spewing here & compare the talents on individual basis, the english players were better than their german counterparts.

the snag is - for england, the sum of the parts is less than the expected output. for germany, the sum of the parts exceeded the expected output by a country mile. what did ozil, muller, podolski, etc achieve before 2010 world cup to compare to gerrard, lampard & rooney?

seriously.....

But it's not about club achievements. I may have agreed with you if the English had done well in previous tournaments but they haven't done anything since euro 96. I just won't rate the English team until it wins or at least loses a major final. Also unnecessary hyping of certain players also ensures that better players are often over-looked in favour of popular players.

chic2pimp:

Wahlai tahlai i dey tell u. Imagine the rubbishes person dey read sef. Maka- lembe lembe o

Not knocking Makelele but top 10 DMs of all-time he no fit smell the list

chic2pimp:

Nah so we see am so

Nevermind redefined Maka invented the DM role in footy sef. The likes of Rijkaard and Lothar(in his latter years) have him to thank

Katsumoto:

But it's not about club achievements. I may have agreed with you if the English had done well in previous tournaments but they haven't done anything since euro 96. I just won't rate the English team until it wins or at least loses a major final. Also unnecessary hyping of certain players also ensures that better players are often over-looked in favour of popular players.

how do players get national invitations? no be their performance for club? we are not comparing germany vs england as a whole here. we are doing individual comparison.

if you were a manager in april 2010(just before the world cup) & you were asked to choose the best 11 players in the squad england & germany had......who would make your top 11. would you choose khedira over gerrard or klose over rooney?

that's the point here.......

coogar:

how do players get national invitations? no be their performance for club? we are not comparing germany vs england as a whole here. we are doing individual comparison.

if you were a manager in april 2010(just before the world cup) & you were asked to choose the best 11 players in the squad england & germany had......who would make your top 11. would you choose khedira over gerrard or klose over rooney?

that's the point here.......

A manager that follows the media hype would choose those English players while a manager who follows the players ability would pick the Germans

Why is this sum total of English players always less than the so called total? Its either the individual components are not what they claim to be or something is wrong with Mathematics

If you fail in one tournament its one thing to have Germany do better than you in every single tournament since 2006 when you claim to have this great individuals show something wrong

And no one would blame coaching since you have gone through like 5 coaches since then with the same fail

coogar:

how do players get national invitations? no be their performance for club? we are not comparing germany vs england as a whole here. we are doing individual comparison.

if you were a manager in april 2010(just before the world cup) & you were asked to choose the best 11 players in the squad england & germany had......who would make your top 11. would you choose khedira over gerrard or klose over rooney?

that's the point here.......

I would pick Klose over Rooney any day.

Gerrard over Khedira (in 2010 that is) - but not Gerrard over Schweinsteiger. If I picked a team, it would have been overwhelmingly German; and I have never supported Germany.

Why is that in England, players get picked as soon as they move to Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea?

raumdeuter:

A manager that follows the media hype would choose those English players while a manager who follows the players ability would pick the Germans

Why is this sum total of English players always less than the so called total? Its either the individual components are not what they claim to be or something is wrong with Mathematics

If you fail in one tournament its one thing to have Germany do better than you in every single tournament since 2006 when you claim to have this great individuals show something wrong

And no one would blame coaching since you have gone through like 5 coaches since then with the same fail

why is it so difficult for you to apply common sense? is it that you don't have the ability or you just love to troll?

so the english players who have mostly won champions league title or played in the final as at 2010 were overhyped but the german players who were mostly kids would be chosen over seasoned vets?

i reiterate, hindsight is a bïtch!

Katsumoto:
I would pick Klose over Rooney any day.
Gerrard over Khedira (in 2010 that is) - but not Gerrard over Schweinsteiger. If I picked a team, it would have been overwhelmingly German; and I have never supported Germany.
Why is that in England, players get picked as soon as they move to Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea?

not even dayo - a chronic nazi - would choose klose over rooney in 2010. that was the year rooney made the top 5 in the ballon d'or awards. there was hardly any european ground he didn't desecrate that season - a brace at san siro & a goal at allianz arena before he got himself injured.

for about a period of 3 months that season, he was the best centre forward in europe!

coogar:

why is it so difficult for you to apply common sense? is it that you don't have the ability or you just love to troll?

so the english players who have mostly won champions league title or played in the final as at 2010 were overhyped but the german players who are mostly kids would be chosen over seasoned vets?

i reiterate, hindsight is a bïtch!

Thats why despite their various Champions leagues they still get their assess handed to them in major tournaments

Simply because they are not good enough. When Barca players were winning CL they won the World cup, WHen Bayern players were winning the CL they won the world cup but English players who we have been hearing are all world class since 2000 cant even make a major semi finals since

You have to deploy your reasoning when folks claim everyone in the English team is world class, better than their German counterparts yet a bunch of rookies beat them like a drum

In 2 different world cup they have struggled vs Algeria, Slovenia Coats Rica and demolished by Germany Italy and Uruguay.

With all their world class players.

Until they look inwards and see that all they have are overrated piece of garbage they would continue to be the butt of jokes.

This same set couldnt even qualify for Euro 2008

coogar:
not even dayo - a chronic nazi - would choose klose over rooney in 2010. that was the year rooney made the top 5 in the ballon d'or awards. there was hardly any european ground he didn't desecrate that season - a brace at san siro & a goal at allianz arena before he got himself injured.

for about a period of 3 months that season, he was the best centre forward in europe!

This is the English team the lunatic English journalist claimed 2 Germans would make?

The same team with Johnson, Defoe, Upson, Barry, Milner LOL

No wonder you got battered 4-1

raumdeuter:

Thats why despite their various Champions leagues they still get their assess handed to them in major tournaments

Simply because they are not good enough. When Barca players were winning CL they won the World cup, WHen Bayern players were winning the CL they won the world cup but English players who we have been hearing are all world class since 2000 cant even make a major semi finals since

You have to deploy your reasoning when folks claim everyone in the English team is world class, better than their German counterparts yet a bunch of rookies beat them like a drum

In 2 different world cup they have struggled vs Algeria, Slovenia Coats Rica and demolished by Germany Italy and Uruguay.

All world class players.
Until they look inwards and see that all they have are overrated piece of garbage they would continue to be the butt of jokes.

This same set couldnt even qualify for Euro 2008

dayo - stop rubbing stüpidity ointment on your body. forget the team, talk about the players individually. if we lay out the uefa champions league team of the year in the last 8 seasons or so, i am sure i would count over 11 english players in them.

how are they overrated if they keep making teams of the year on individual basis? are the players overrated or the sum of the parts are less than the required output? that's the point. terry has graced uefa defender of the year more than 3 times.....how's he overrated? na english media dey nominate them for uefa?

raumdeuter:
This is the English team the lunatic English journalist claimed 2 Germans would make?
The same team with Johnson, Defoe, Upson, Barry, Milner LOL
No wonder you got battered 4-1

you are a pathological liar....
the journalist said so even before the competition kicked off & england lost many important players before the mundial to injury. if rio was fit, upton wouldn't make the squad. carrick was missing too & many more i cannot remember. how does that even look like the typical english team to you?

you lie too much to be taken seriously....

Capello was a fool with that selection, 4 Central midfielders

As soon as a player steps into EPL, he suddenly becomes world class. Until he meets his continental mates they batter him into a pulp the media withdraw their earlier statement

2yrs later, rinse and repeat

coogar:

dayo - stop rubbing stüpidity ointment on your body. forget the team, talk about the players individually. if we lay out the uefa champions league team of the year in the last 8 seasons or so, i am sure i would count over 11 english players in them.

how are they overrated if they keep making teams of the year on individual basis? are the players overrated or the sum of the parts are less than the required output? that's the point. terry has graced uefa defender of the year more than 3 times.....how's he overrated? na english media dey nominate them for uefa?

How come its only England where these phantom sum of parts is less than the total.

a decade of world class players in every position yet no single semi finals either at the world cup or at Euros. While the Germans without these world cup players have since 2006 played every major semi they entered for.

8yrs of consistent semi finals appearance

raumdeuter:
How come its only England where these phantom sum of parts is less than the total.

it happened to real madrid for 12 seasons. the galactico couldn't get past q-finals despite having the best squad season after season.

between 2000 & 2007, spanish clubs won the champions league 3 times....they couldn't transform that success into the national team. why didn't spain win the world cup in 2006?

a decade of world class players in every position yet no single semi finals either at the world cup or at Euros. While the Germans without these world cup players have since 2006 played every major semi they entered for.

8yrs of consistent semi finals appearance

we have addressed this issue. for england, the sum of the parts is less than the expected output. it's got nothing to do with your assertion. i can boldly say germany hasn't produced a defender like terry in the last 20 years.

coogar:

it happened to real madrid for 12 seasons. the galactico couldn't get past q-finals despite having the best squad season after season.

between 2000 & 2007, spanish clubs won the champions league 3 times....they couldn't transform that success into the national team. why didn't spain win the world cup in 2006? .

Between 2000 and 2007 When those Spanish clubs were dominating their key players were always foreigners. In that time if you list these Spanish clubs best 5 players they were always foreigners. The main stars of Madrid Galacticos were Zidane, Figo Raul, Carlos, Ronaldo

E.g in 2006 Barcelona won the CL, In the final only 1 Spanish outfield player started for them, So tell me how that would translate into Spanish NT success

Compare that to 2009 or 2011 CL finals where they had 5 and 6 respectively

When Bayern won in 2013 they had 5 Germans in their starting lineup