Kay 17:

Its not favourable to Christianity to pitch science only to the side of Humanism.

Most Christians I know often stress that humanist values could be found in Christianity.

Don't flatter yourself. Evolution is not science, it doesn't even qualify as a scientific theory not to talk of it being a scientific law. It is the fantasy of the fertile mind. If humanists have any value at all it is down to the fact that God created us in His own image. True science confirms what is written in God's Word.

Jesus is my firm foundation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu1DJVj8vxw

"The Solution"

"And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places:thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in" (Isaiah 58:12).

OLAADEGBU:

Don't flatter yourself. Evolution is not science, it doesn't even qualify as a scientific theory not to talk of it being a scientific law. It is the fantasy of the fertile mind. If humanists have any value at all it is down to the fact that God created us in His own image. True science confirms what is written in God's Word.

True science is what follows the scientific method. Simple, not holy books: that's religion.

Kay 17:

True science is what follows the scientific method. Simple, not holy books: that's religion.

And the scientific method was formulated by a devout Christian who was inspired by that same holy book called the Bible. Simples "

Christ the Foundation

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11)

Defender's Bible Notes:

3:11 foundation. No part of a structure should be built without a strong foundation if it is expected to stand. Similarly creation is the foundation of the life of the cosmos, and Jesus Christ was the Creator before He became the Savior. The record of His creation in Genesis is the foundation of all revelation. Jesus Christ, first as Creator, then as Redeemer, is the foundation of any true and lasting Christian life.

For more . . . .

^^
Pls who was that scientist?

Kay17,
Who was that Prophet/Great Scientist that so defined the solar system as the regulator of TIME: day, night, years, and reasons, that even human hearts must beat faster than 60spm, or there will rush to the ER. Kay, but you sound like you know quite a lot. This Super Genius even mentioned galaxies and constellations. Please honour and respect must go to whom they're due.

Kay 17: ^^

Pls who was that scientist?

Francis Bacon, Lord Chancellor of England. Bacon’s writings are also credited with leading to the founding of the Royal Society of London.

Sir Francis was a devout believer in the Bible. He wrote:

"There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, the volume of the Scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power."

@Olaadegbu

You may find line 9 (especially) of the following amusing.

https://www.nairaland.com/6539/shakesphears-name-king-james-bible/1#10895937

By the way a lawyer joke for you.

A judge was hearing a case in one court one day; in the court next to him Bacon VC was hearing another case. The first judge decided the case against a woman. The woman was unhappy and threw an egg at the judge which missed, fortunately. The judge immediately said: "that must have been meant for my brother Bacon.!"

Enigma: @Olaadegbu

You may find line 9 (especially) of the following amusing.

https://www.nairaland.com/6539/shakesphears-name-king-james-bible/1#10895937

If Francis Bacon was the author of all the works of Shakespeare he must have been a genius who discovered the scientific method from the Bible.

The "Bacon wrote Shakespeare" thing is a known suggestion largely seen as a conspiracy theory. There have even been a couple of documentaries on Shakespeare touching on the subject on TV here years ago.

See also (sorry it's only Nairaland's favourite) here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question

Enigma:

The "Bacon wrote Shakespeare" thing is a known suggestion largely seen as a conspiracy theory. There have even been a couple of documentaries on Shakespeare touching on the subject on TV here years ago.

See also (sorry it's only Nairaland's favourite) here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question

The conclusion in that link shows that it was a conspiracy theory. Thanks for bringing it up.

OLAADEGBU:

Francis Bacon, Lord Chancellor of England. Bacon’s writings are also credited with leading to the founding of the Royal Society of London.

Sir Francis was a devout believer in the Bible. He wrote:

"There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, t[quote author=OLAADEGBU]

Francis Bacon, Lord Chancellor of England. Bacon’s writings are also credited with leading to the founding of the Royal Society of London.

Sir Francis was a devout believer in the Bible. He wrote:

[size=12pt][i]"[color=purple]There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, the volume of the Scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power."

Seriously Ola, Francis Bacon is the founder of Modern Science??!!

What verse of the bible points out the scientific method?

ckkris: Kay17,
Who was that Prophet/Great Scientist that so defined the solar system as the regulator of TIME: day, night, years, and reasons, that even human hearts must beat faster than 60spm, or there will rush to the ER. Kay, but you sound like you know quite a lot. This Super Genius even mentioned galaxies and constellations. Please honour and respect must go to whom they're due.

What puzzles me the most about Christian theology; is that considering their God and his perosnality; why is design in God's creation necessary, as he built all from nothing??

Kay17,
Sir, would you now finally admit that Bible never, from page one, even remotely implied that the sun revolves sound the earth, as touted by those that rely on humanism. There 're so many scientific truths received by INSPIRATION, when the Egyptian scientists were worshipping the sun. But Christians will not begin to debate these facts with people who intentionally resort to pedestrian chicken and egg arguments. THE MOST HIGH GOD, is The God of Peaceful Harmony. That's why there's perfect order in His design. There is also another that desires to be god, but ends up setting confusion in his wake.

Kay 17:

Seriously Ola, Francis Bacon is the founder of Modern Science??!!

What verse of the bible points out the scientific method?

Start reading from the book of Job.

Here is another teaser.

Jesus And The Scientific Method

" . . . and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached" (Luke 7:22)

These were difficult times for John; he soon was to be martyred and sought assurances that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah of God. In response, Jesus used the scientific method. According to the Old Testament at the time of the Lord’s coming, the blind and deaf would see and hear (Isaiah 35:5), the lame and mute would leap and shout (Isaiah 35:6), and the gospel would be preached to the poor (Isaiah 61:1; cf. Luke 4:18.) This is precisely what was happening with Jesus’ ministry. His works proved His claims.

Two thousand years ago, some were critical because Jesus healed a blind beggar on the Sabbath (John 9:16), but the fact that the man was begging was an indictment against them! The Law stated that God’s people should be generous in their dealings with the poor of the land (Deuteronomy 15:7,8.)

Jesus, by way of contrast, imparted joy to the man. Christ spat on the ground, formed mud, and placed it on this man’s blind eyes. He released him from the bondage to blindness and also fulfilled the Law by opening His "hand wide unto" the same (Deuteronomy 15:8.)

Some religious spokesmen today attempt to diminish Jesus and His works. Denying that He was and is God in human flesh, they also try to cast doubt on the testimony about His miracles. The teaching elsewhere in Scripture seems to apply here as well: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22).

Many poor people today have lives radically changed by Jesus, but others remain spiritually blind. May the same Lord continue to apply His life-transforming mercy to many more today. PGH

For more . . . .

OLAADEGBU: Here is another teaser.

Jesus And The Scientific Method

" . . . and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached" (Luke 7:22)

These were difficult times for John; he soon was to be martyred and sought assurances that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah of God. In response, Jesus used the scientific method. According to the Old Testament at the time of the Lord’s coming, the blind and deaf would see and hear (Isaiah 35:5), the lame and mute would leap and shout (Isaiah 35:6), and the gospel would be preached to the poor (Isaiah 61:1; cf. Luke 4:18.) This is precisely what was happening with Jesus’ ministry. His works proved His claims.

Two thousand years ago, some were critical because Jesus healed a blind beggar on the Sabbath (John 9:16), but the fact that the man was begging was an indictment against them! The Law stated that God’s people should be generous in their dealings with the poor of the land (Deuteronomy 15:7,8.)

Jesus, by way of contrast, imparted joy to the man. Christ spat on the ground, formed mud, and placed it on this man’s blind eyes. He released him from the bondage to blindness and also fulfilled the Law by opening His "hand wide unto" the same (Deuteronomy 15:8.)

Some religious spokesmen today attempt to diminish Jesus and His works. Denying that He was and is God in human flesh, they also try to cast doubt on the testimony about His miracles. The teaching elsewhere in Scripture seems to apply here as well: "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22).

Many poor people today have lives radically changed by Jesus, but others remain spiritually blind. May the same Lord continue to apply His life-transforming mercy to many more today. PGH

For more . . . .

So this is the scientific method you were talking about?! I'm flabbergasted!

ckkris: Kay17,
Sir, would you now finally admit that Bible never, from page one, even remotely implied that the sun revolves sound the earth, as touted by those that rely on humanism. There 're so many scientific truths received by INSPIRATION, when the Egyptian scientists were worshipping the sun. But Christians will not begin to debate these facts with people who intentionally resort to pedestrian chicken and egg arguments. THE MOST HIGH GOD, is The God of Peaceful Harmony. That's why there's perfect order in His design. There is also another that desires to be god, but ends up setting confusion in his wake.

But in the book of Joshua, Joshua stopped the Sun and the implication is the sun moves!

^^ He told you that the founder of the scientific method was Francis Bacon --- a Christian.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon

Extract

Bacon has been called the creator of empiricism. His works established and popularised inductive methodologies for scientific inquiry, often called the Baconian method, or simply the scientific method. His demand for a planned procedure of investigating all things natural marked a new turn in the rhetorical and theoretical framework for science, much of which still surrounds conceptions of proper methodology today.

Yes, Joshua stopped the sun from setting. That is miracle, which no one can explain. I have also seen a miracle in Nigeria that I cannot explain.

Enigma: ^^ He told you that the founder of the scientific method was Francis Bacon --- a Christian.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon

Extract

Its faulty to say the scientific method was founded by Bacon, cos it wasn't developed by a singular process or a single individual BUT with the contributions of great minds before the Scientific method took its shape.

Aristotle and the other Great Greek philosophers get a big share of the praise for initating such a system in its very basic state: abduction, deduction, induction.

Credit also goes to the scholars of the Golden Age of Islam (before most houses of Islam became bitches) for developing an active systemic aspect: experiment. Al Haytham is often regarded as the architect of the scientific method. He believed the problem has to be defined, an observation of the natural world was necessary, create a hypothesis, experiment, make conclusions.

Roger Bacon came along to promote the inductive method as an integral of science. Then Francis Bacon strengthens it. Newton came and develops scientific method as we commonly know it as. And to mention all the philosophers that have thrown more light into what is known as science: Kopper

I'm not taking away Francis Bacon's role but the development of Science was not the effort of one man. Besides its a system of inquiry which most ppl inadvertently use. Early man had built up his knowledge from merely observation, from understanding the effects of fire, to understanding animal trails, weather to farming/irrigation etc.

I also believe that there are undocumented scholars in civilizations in Africa, South America who had always consciously developed science and applied it.

I also asked Ola for bible verses to support the biblical inspiration for the scientific method.

ckkris: Yes, Joshua stopped the sun from setting. That is miracle, which no one can explain. I have also seen a miracle in Nigeria that I cannot explain.

Joshua stopped the Sun from setting because HE BELIEVED the Sun moved round the earth, it seemed logical to him to freeze it at that spot. Which is contrary to scientific method.

Enigma: ^^ He told you that the founder of the scientific method was Francis Bacon --- a Christian.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon

Extract

Its faulty to say the scientific method was founded by Bacon, cos it wasn't developed by a singular process or a single individual BUT with the contributions of great minds before the Scientific method took its shape.

Aristotle and the other Great Greek philosophers get a big share of the praise for initating such a system in its very basic state: abduction, deduction, induction.

Credit also goes to the scholars of the Golden Age of Islam (before most houses of Islam became bitches) for developing an active systemic aspect: experiment. Al Haytham is often regarded as the architect of the scientific method. He believed the problem has to be defined, an observation of the natural world was necessary, create a hypothesis, experiment, make conclusions.

Roger Bacon came along to promote the inductive method as an integral of science. Then Francis Bacon strengthens it. Newton came and develops scientific method as we commonly know it as. And to mention all the philosophers that have thrown more light into what is known as science: Kopper

I'm not taking away Francis Bacon's role but the development of Science was not the effort of one man. Besides its a system of inquiry which most ppl inadvertently use. Early man had built up his knowledge from merely observation, from understanding the effects of fire, to understanding animal trails, weather to farming/irrigation etc.

I also believe that there are undocumented scholars in civilizations in Africa, South America who had always consciously developed science and applied it.

I also asked Ola for bible verses to support the biblical inspiration for the scientific method.

ckkris: Yes, Joshua stopped the sun from setting. That is miracle, which no one can explain. I have also seen a miracle in Nigeria that I cannot explain.

Joshua stopped the Sun from setting because HE BELIEVED the Sun moved round the earth, it seemed logical to him to freeze it at that spot. Which is contrary to scientific knowledge

Is there any rational reason why Moses should not be recognised for recording the fact that TIME, SPACE & MOTION are regulated by the solar system, Genesis 1:14? And Moses' observations have not been refuted till date, though he preceded the Greeks. Is it because Moses was highly INSPIRED, in addition to his education in Egypt, where they worshipped the sun?

ckkris:

Is there any rational reason why Moses should not be recognised for recording the fact that TIME, SPACE & MOTION are regulated by the solar system, Genesis 1:14? And Moses' observations have not been refuted till date, though he preceded the Greeks. Is it because Moses was highly INSPIRED, in addition to his education in Egypt, where they worshipped the sun?

And the evolutionists had since embarked on a mission to turn all that into allegories. Only the compromisers of truth swallowed their stories hook, line and sinker.

We are still on the sun's movement, and whether biblical "science" is in line with modern science

Kay 17:

We are still on the sun's movement, and whether biblical "science" is in line with modern science

Who told you that the sun doesn't move?

No, in relation to the earth, that its movement regulates day and night.

Kay 17:

No, in relation to the earth, that its movement regulates day and night.

Where did Moses say so?

Kay17,
Genesis 1:14 describes the revolution of the earth round the sun, to TIME the years, and seasons. Then, other Bible verses talked about galaxies and constellations. That's PHYSICS recorded about 3500 years ago. There're still many other solid Biblical foundation of modern science. JESUS IS LORD.

^^ I'm still on joshua mistaken belief that the Sun moved around the earth.

And Genesis didn't state in clear terms.