rbjimoh: [color=#006600][/color]Therefore, if you adopt a male child and change his surname to yours, thereby absolving him as though he is your biological son, by implication, he cannot marry any woma your real bioligical son cannot marry. By that, Islam says he has been denied or he has denied himself or forbids for himself what Allah has made lawful for him

thirty:

hi tbaba,

i never come across this hadith before. the verse of Quran, is it refering to men or women?. islamic law is not about common sense because common is not common. please be very sure of all Fatwah before posting. but sha i love the topic. keep it up.

uzeba: If i comment dem go ban me! I love nairaland and i don't want to b ban!!

Hope2015:
W.salam Ya Akhee! i think you totally misunderstood d entire idea, Islam has neva been abt common sense neither has it been interpreted in d lyt of culture.. but by total submission to the will of Allah, as is made obvious in d Noble Quran n Hadith... Assuming but nt conceeding 2 ur deductions, wat is d Islamic way of saying, e.g Yasmeen, wife of Sadiq? lyk u talked abt 'Ibn' N 'bint'...? Wat i believe is dat as a guwd believer, wen an issue is raised, and u'r presented with Hujjah on it, n u know d sources are authentic, then it has 2 b followed, without tryna bring in2 it cultural sentiments or common sense. Allah is d all-knowing n is d 1 who gave us d sense we tink we have.WA ALLAHU AALLAM!
Wa lahu aalam

Hope2015: Salam alaykum. I found this topic interesting and i'm compelled to make little contributions. Let us not be confused. There is no sin in a woman using her husband name and cannot be interpreted as meaning the wife was born by the husband. It only means she is the wife of the named husband particularly when the word "Mrs" is attached. If the hadith or quran verses quoted are to be adhere to to the latter then women should use exact fathers' names & not even the father's family name or surname because by direct interpretation, the family name is not the father's exact name.
So, i think there is nothing bad in calling women by their husbands' names. Wa lahu aalam
Salaam alaykum

nagoma:

I see your point. But I think the emphasis is on maintaining an identity and lineage and adoption of husbands name or his surname means that the identity is lost. Even at the time of the prophet (SAW) fathers names were used but outstanding identities were emphasized. The wife of the prophet ( SAW) Maria who was an Egyptian Copte Christian was addressed as Maria al- Qibtiyya. Bilal IBM Rabah was addressed as Bilal Habashi to emphasize and not lose his Ethiopian roots. So was Salman Farisa who was frm Persia ( Iran). This continued even to our generations. Sheikh Ahmad Zaki Yamani whose father was Hassan Yamani was a full Saudi Citezen born in Mecca and the most famous oil minister of that kingdom but maintained the name Yamani to emphasize his Yemen Ancestory. This was what happened in Nigeria and you had persons like sheikh Adam al-Ilori, Aminu Kano , Abdurrahman Okene, Yahya Gusau all of blessed memory . Their attachment of fathers and often grandfathers and sometime name of places ensures the persons identity. Unfortunately for the women , the western culture has taken over and women identity is lost inside their husbands. In my view it should be an important issue in the emancipation of women and gender mainstreaming for women to stop being appendages.

omo.erelu:
It is not that easy o. I got married not long ago and i agreed with my husband to keep my surname with my husband's family name at least if i cant bear my father's name alone.but the problem is that my husband's surname is a complex name and it is so difficult compounding the whole thing. And not to even say that my in laws wont like it.i am still using my father's name for now o.

pak:


I totally love your comments and please salute your dad for me, He must be a very reasonable person.

My take is that regardless of religous creed, muslim, christian or pagan, Africa will only progress when we learn to think for ourselves.

We all believe our respective religions descended from God but reality makes us understand that the culture of the region where those religion originates from heavily influence it's practices.


I do not have problems with accepting a foreign religion, its a personal choice but the most important thing is for us to maintain and respect our own indigenous culture and values

Pak: We all believe our respective religions descended from God but reality makes us understand that the culture of the region where those religion originates from heavily influence it's practices.

real4life: I think both husbands names and fathers names may be allowed. As Allah used both examples in the following Quran verses.


Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." [Quran 66:10]

And Allah presents an example of those who believed: the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people." [Quran 66:11]

And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We blew into [her garment] through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient. {Quran 66:12]

vizion:
Stop being appendage to who??
every human is a appendage to someone, even the man is an appendage of his father, emancipation of women has nothing to do with whose name she answers. let the woman answer her mothers and the man answer his fathers name so that there could be peace for the women folks. better still let there be no longer marriage, so that every one could be lord of themselves.

tbaba1234: The wives of the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) are the Mothers of the Believers, and the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam), is the noblest of people and the best example. And yet when we look at their example, we will realize that when the Prophet(Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) married any of his wives, NOT ONE of them took his name. On the contrary, each one of them kept her father’s name even if her father was a kaafir. Similarly, the wives of the Sahaabah and those who came after them did not change their names. Did you ever think why they didn’t do that?

tbaba1234: “Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allaah…” [al-Ahzaab 33:5]

tbaba1234: “Whoever calls himself by other than his father’s name, will be cursed by Allaah, the angels and all the people.” (Ibn Maajah -Saheeh by al-Albaani)

tbaba1234: Whoever knowingly claims to belong to anyone other than his father, Paradise will be denied him.” (Ahmad, al-Bukhaari, Muslim)

tbaba1234: Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd said:*******,Sheikh Salih Al-Munajjid says:*******

Akiika:
How does this apply to married woman changing names?
What's the authenticity of this hadith? Give me a break, this is clearly a ghareeb (unreliable) hadith.

Once again, where does this infer name changing? and i need a more specific citation pls.

Who are they? Have you met them? on what basis did they pronounce their fatwas? Please be wary of your sources.
My point is, don't present islam as difficult as it has already been perceived. Islam is very simple to practise, it is all these arab, persian, middle eastern shayks that pronounces fatwas based on long chain of Ghareeb hadiths that make things complicated. The fact that Islam was from these areas doesn't imply that whatever they say is valid.

Hope2015: Salam alaykum. I found this topic interesting and i'm compelled to make little contributions. Let us not be confused. There is no sin in a woman using her husband name and cannot be interpreted as meaning the wife was born by the husband. It only means she is the wife of the named husband particularly when the word "Mrs" is attached. If the hadith or quran verses quoted are to be adhere to to the latter then women should use exact fathers' names & not even the father's family name or surname because by direct interpretation, the family name is not the father's exact name.

I think the confusion here is largely due to differences in culture interpretation from arabian to english & other cultures like that of nigeria. The arabs will call a name & use word ibn (male) or bint(female)and attach it to father's name e.g. Hassan ibn Alli meaning Hassan the son of Alli. In English such person will be addressed as Master or Mr Hassan Alli. Where a female is involved, it is Miss Hassanat Alli when she is single but after marriage (say to Mr Umar) it becomes Mrs Hassanat Umar. While the first name with Miss meant Hassanat the daughter of Alli the 2nd name with Mrs meant Hassanat the wife of Umar

Even in the Holy Quran, there are two or more instances where some women like the wives of Firhaoun & Lut were mentioned with their husband's name. (Ashiyah the wife of Firhaoun)

So, i think there is nothing bad in calling women by their husbands' names. Wa lahu aalam

Salaam alaykum

nuorlah: I would like matters like surrogacy brought up as well.

If a boy loses his heritage because he is adopted, it is likely that he would meet his sister and marry her. Another reason why keeping of the biological father's name is important.

tbaba1234:

The hadiths of the prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) are clear...

And the Prophet (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) said:

“Whoever calls himself by other than his father’s name, will be cursed by Allaah, the angels and all the people.” (Ibn Maajah -Saheeh by al-Albaani).

And he (Sal Allaahu Alaiyhi wa Sallam) also said:

“Whoever knowingly claims to belong to anyone other than his father, Paradise will be denied him.” (Ahmad, al-Bukhaari, Muslim).


As regards the Quranic ayat, the relationships are related to a major character in the story being told. Wife of Lot, what benefit would it be to to use her father's name when he is not even involved in the story. The same thing with the wife of noah or pharaoh.

That a women keeps her father's name does not stop her from being your wife. She is still your wife even if she keeps her father's name.


The point is about maintaining the heritage and the lineage.

maclatunji:

I do believe you are applying this hadith out of context. Yes, a women should bear her father's name after marriage but to imply that those who don't are seen as "cursed" under Islamic jurisprudence is stretching the imagination a bit.

maclatunji:

I do believe you are applying this hadith out of context. Yes, a women should bear her father's name after marriage but to imply that those who don't are seen as "cursed" under Islamic jurisprudence is stretching the imagination a bit.

ashson: Whether you like it or not, as long as you are a muslim, you must bear your father's, married or not. that is the teaching of islam, any good muslim must leave it that way.