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Is “Things Fall Apart” Really Chinua Achebe's Best Work? / Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart Should Be Banned - Femi Robinson / Achebe’s Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books Of Last 50 Yrs (1) (2) (3) (4)
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 12:44am On May 22, 2012|
nsiadi: Soccer is quite distinct from literature
I agree with you. But who is the Europe Champions this season? Chelsea or Bayern? Please be objective!
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by nsiadi: 1:20am On May 22, 2012|
Objective?-Name those East Africans you have in mind. Have them recommended!
Objective?-Who stands a better chance to know Africa`s footballer of the year? Is it acclaimed BBC or likes of Isa Hayotu with itching palms?
Most of us know the windy routes which monies straighten. Still in doubt?
Hope we are not deviating---y are they talking of goal line technologies? To eliminate crooked refereeing manipulations!
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 1:30am On May 22, 2012|
nsiadi: Objective?-Name those East Africans you have in mind. Have them recommended!
I can't but laugh. BBC is an authority on Africa football just like your Wikipedia faceless experts are authorities on literature!
It's now obvious you know next to nothing (not meant to be derogatory) about literature or football. BBC know more about football than CAF?
Windy routes indeed.
Continue that path. Achebe is the best thing that happens to the world's literature, he is no match, second to none, the best that con not be match. Are you happy now?
Don't laugh, he is far from being the best!
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by Lisa1: 1:47am On May 22, 2012|
I pray that Po families will soon visit their holy land out of rotten blown tire body
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by nsiadi: 1:58am On May 22, 2012|
U avoid reacting to key issues. U react to selectives
Others will like to know your opinion on Isa Hayatu & Adamu who served on FIFA committee on our behalf
Do u know that that one of the new rules of the CAF committee is "No one wins if he isnt physically present @ d ceremony" Doubt it?
These are the people who dish out what you want to believe. Try to distinguish bw Politics & realities
The group that selected Achebe that we are discussing now dont have ilks of Isa Hayotu & Adamu. Do they? Be direct
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 2:14am On May 22, 2012|
nsiadi: U avoid reacting to key issues. U react to selectives
I want to be your friend. You have a great sense of humor and really make me laugh. Hayotu and Adama do not, exclusively, dictate the winner.
coaches all over Africa contribute to the voting and selection process. So Hayotu having a itching palm will not bring dirt to the process.
Now, we know that CAF at least has legitimacy in conducting such process and awarding titles to the concerned players. On what authority is the so called faceless Wikipedia experts based their assessment and judgement? How many books did they assess, examined? How credible was the voting process?
Tell me more about this this saintly group without iota of blemish. The faultless all knowing literary minds! Please be direct. Who are they?
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by de-moore: 5:36am On May 22, 2012|
Another prominient son of igbo....Igbo kwenu!!!! Kwenu!!!!Kwezuenu!!!yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.Let our enemy (Ngbati Ngbati) live long and see what we shall be in future..
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by nsiadi: 6:49am On May 22, 2012|
@ De Moore
Tx 4 the pep. Its necessary, @times, to take some people to the cleaners
We must be allowed to celebrate our own especially when they are jewels
We will all be better off if we stop under rating others. You never know who has the capacity to hold on
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 7:45am On May 22, 2012|
Another indirect dissing of a prolific Igbo son.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 7:54am On May 22, 2012|
You have avoided this question time and again, "Who then is the Greatest?" Obviously, you have no better candidate but you cannot refrain from using Pull-Down-Syndrome to discredit the Greatest.
Kindly provide us names of your so called "several better authors in East Africa" since you probably keep tabs on them and their works. Another classic case of discrediting Prof.Achebe's reputation and bad belle
And I will appreciate you stop limiting Prof. Achebe's work to Africa's best. That list up there is not an African List. It's a world rating. and this is not the 1st time Prof is topping the list. Prof Achebe had gone global long before you knew how to read or write. Eat that
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 7:59am On May 22, 2012|
nsiadi: @ De Moore
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 8:09am On May 22, 2012|
What you do you another indirect dissing? Is he the best, second to none and the best thing that happened to Africa's football? I dey laugh
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:14am On May 22, 2012|
You had a plethora of Yoruba footballers to use for your usual sarcastic comparison but you again chose Okocha.
So true about your blood.
Is it that your tribe is bereft of a great footballer to use? Or you intended to discredit another Igbo son??
Your tendencies are quite obvious
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by baby-boy(m): 8:18am On May 22, 2012|
I believe the list was compiled by superscholar! who are they?
The last official compilation of the most influential books were done in 1998 and the next one would be done later this year.
# Author or source Title Date Public domain?
1 Chinese classic texts I Ching 11th century BCE yes
2 Jewish scripture Hebrew Bible 8th–4th century BCE yes
3 Homer Iliad and Odyssey 8th – early 7th century BCE yes
4 Hindu scripture Upanishads 9th century BC yes
5 Lao Tsu Tao Te Ching 4th century BCE yes
6 Zoroastrian scripture Avesta 1st millennium BC – 3rd century CE yes
7 Confucius Analects 5th–4th century BCE yes
8 Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War 5th century BCE yes
9 Hippocrates Works 400 BC yes
10 Aristotle Works 4th century BCE yes
11 Herodotus Histories 5th century BCE yes
12 Plato The Republic 380 BCE yes
13 Euclid Elements 280 BCE yes
14 Theravada Buddhist scripture Dhammapada (Path of the Dharma) 252 BCE yes
15 Virgil Aeneid 19 BCE yes
16 Lucretius De Rerum Natura 55 BCE yes
17 Philo of Alexandria Allegorical Expositions of the Holy Laws 1st century CE yes
18 Christian scripture New Testament ca. 50–100 CE yes
19 Plutarch Parallel Lives 120 CE yes
20 Cornelius Tacitus Annals, From the Death of the Divine Augustus 120 CE yes
21 Valentinus Gospel of Truth (Gnostic text) 2nd century yes
22 Marcus Aurelius Meditations 167 yes
23 Sextus Empiricus Outlines of Pyrrhonism 150–210 CE yes
24 Plotinus Enneads 3rd century yes
25 Augustine of Hippo Confessions 400 CE yes
26 Muslim scripture Quran 7th century yes
27 Moses Maimonides Guide for the Perplexed 1190 yes
28 Text of Judaic mysticism Kabbalah 12th century yes
29 Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae 1266–1273 yes
30 Dante Alighieri The Divine Comedy 1321 yes
31 Desiderius Erasmus In Praise of Folly 1509 yes
32 Niccolò Machiavelli The Prince 1532 yes
33 Martin Luther On the Babylonian Captivity of the Church 1520 yes
34 François Rabelais Gargantua and Pantagruel 1532 and 1534 yes
35 John Calvin Institutes of the Christian Religion 1536 yes
36 Nicolaus Copernicus On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres 1543 yes
37 Michel de Montaigne Essays 1580 yes
38 Miguel de Cervantes Don Quixote 1605 and 1615 yes
39 Johannes Kepler Harmony of the Worlds 1619 yes
40 Francis Bacon Novum Organum 1620 yes
41 William Shakespeare First Folio 1623 yes
42 Galileo Galilei Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems 1632 yes
43 René Descartes Discourse on Method 1637 yes
44 Thomas Hobbes Leviathan 1651 yes
45 Gottfried Leibniz Works 1663–1716 yes
46 Blaise Pascal Pensées 1670 yes
47 Baruch de Spinoza Ethics 1677 yes
48 John Bunyan Pilgrim's Progress 1678–1684 yes
49 Isaac Newton Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy 1687 yes
50 John Locke Essay Concerning Human Understanding 1689 yes
51 George Berkeley Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge 1710, revised 1734 yes
52 Giambattista Vico The New Science 1725, revised 1744 yes
53 David Hume A Treatise of Human Nature 1739–1740 yes
54 Denis Diderot (ed.) Encyclopédie 1751–1772 yes
55 Samuel Johnson A Dictionary of the English Language 1755 yes
56 Voltaire Candide 1759 yes
57 Thomas Paine Common Sense 1776 yes
58 Adam Smith The Wealth of Nations 1776 yes
59 Edward Gibbon The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire 1776–1787 yes
60 Immanuel Kant Critique of Pure Reason 1781, revised 1787 yes
61 Jean-Jacques Rousseau Confessions 1781 yes
62 Edmund Burke Reflections on the Revolution in France 1790 yes
63 Mary Wollstonecraft A Vindication of the Rights of Woman 1792 yes
64 William Godwin An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice 1793 yes
65 Thomas Robert Malthus An Essay on the Principle of Population 1798, revised 1803 yes
66 George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel Phenomenology of Spirit 1807 yes
67 Arthur Schopenhauer The World as Will and Idea 1819 yes
68 Auguste Comte The Course in Positive Philosophy 1830–1842 yes
69 Carl von Clausewitz On War 1832 yes
70 Søren Kierkegaard Either/Or 1843 yes
71 Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels Communist Manifesto 1848 yes
72 Henry David Thoreau Civil Disobedience 1849 yes
73 Charles Darwin The Origin of Species 1859 yes
74 John Stuart Mill On Liberty 1859 yes
75 Herbert Spencer First Principles 1862 yes
76 Gregor Mendel Experiments on Plant Hybridization 1866 yes
77 Leo Tolstoy War and Peace 1868–1869 yes
78 James Clerk Maxwell Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism 1873 yes
79 Friedrich Nietzsche Thus Spoke Zarathustra 1883–1885 yes
80 Sigmund Freud The Interpretation of Dreams 1900 yes
81 William James Pragmatism 1908 yes
82 Albert Einstein Relativity 1916 yes
83 Vilfredo Pareto The Mind and Society 1916 yes
84 Carl Jung Psychological Types 1921
85 Martin Buber I and Thou 1923
86 Franz Kafka The Trial 1925 yes
87 Karl Popper The Logic of Scientific Discovery 1934
88 John Maynard Keynes General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money 1936 yes
89 Jean-Paul Sartre Being and Nothingness 1943
90 Friedrich von Hayek The Road to Serfdom 1944
91 Simone de Beauvoir The Second Sex 1948
92 Norbert Wiener Cybernetics 1948, revised 1961
93 George Orwell Nineteen Eighty-Four 1949
94 George Gurdjieff Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson 1950
95 Ludwig Wittgenstein Philosophical Investigations 1953
96 Noam Chomsky Syntactic Structures 1957
97 Thomas Kuhn The Structure of Scientific Revolutions 1962, revised 1970
98 Betty Friedan The Feminine Mystique 1963
99 Mao Zedong
(attributed) Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (Little Red Book) 1966
100 B. F. Skinner Beyond Freedom and Dignity 1971
But definitely Things Fall Apart is in the top 100 best books of all time but not in the top 100 influential books
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by mandsignal(m): 8:18am On May 22, 2012|
bestview: Things Fall Apart, the classic novel by Africa’s foremost novelist Chinua Achebe, has been named one of the “fifty most influential books of the last 50 years.”thank you sir
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:26am On May 22, 2012|
Thank you guys for posting the above.
Some people cannot contain their neighbors achievement.
It is an unsavory and bitter reality to them. Rather than celebrating with their neighbor, it's to line up several veiled and disgusting arguments only intended to tarnish someone else's achievement.
Your next door neighbor may not appreciate your achievement but the whole world continues to blow Prof. Achebe'a accomplishment.
I can imagine how bemused and embarrassed the Prof will be to see his name pop up every now and then in accolade after accolade after accolade.......
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 8:29am On May 22, 2012|
To the first part in bold, no be only the greatest na him be the highest. Pull Down Syndrome indeed. Since all your arguments have been severely dealt a mortal blow, it's not surprising your latest route. Read about these four writers and tell me which among them is not better than Achebe:
1. Wole Soyinka, Nobel Prize 1986.
2. Naguib Mahfouz, Nobel Prize 1988
3. Nadine Gordimer, Nobel Prize 1991.
4. John Maxwell Coetzee Nobel Prize 2003.
While you are at that, watch out for these two guys in the near future. They stand a better chance: Assia Djebar and Ngugi wa Thiong’o
Achebe tops the world lists compile by faceless experts on Wikipedia. Is that what you are celebrating? Why not called him the best thing that ever happened to literature on earth? It hurts me badly to say this but that's the truth: he is even far from the Africa's best so he stands no chance of shooting for the world greatest.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 8:33am On May 22, 2012|
Sorry if that offends you but again Okocha fits the analogy more than any other Nigerian player. Well talented, often exaggerated and failed to win the much coveted African Footballer of the Year. So sad.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:37am On May 22, 2012|
It remains obvious that the Nobel Prize is your Holy Grail. And until it is awarded to Prof.Achebe, he is not the best laughing in Arabic
Kindly answer my question:
How often are their works referred to several years after they won the Prize
While you are scratching your head to answer me, please back it up with references as Achebe's references litter this thread.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:38am On May 22, 2012|
Achebe's work in Things Fall Apart keep receiving accolades several years after it is written. So sad
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:44am On May 22, 2012|
Prof. Achebe's non-stop recognition and chart-topping antics negates all your pull-down-arguments to relegate him to obscurity.
Some people are institutions themselves, and the substance of their work challenges the very essence of the Nobel Prize.
Prof. Achebe fits this bill. So sad
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by melvournis(f): 8:45am On May 22, 2012|
It blows my mind.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 8:52am On May 22, 2012|
Okooocha na you dey reign oooo, okoooocha, na you dey reign oooo, okoooocha
I love you pass maradona, Okooocha
I love you pass Bebeto, Okooocha
I love you pass my mother, Okooocha
Na so wey sing but the guy failed to win the main thing!!!
If you must know, the highest award you can win in literature is Nobel prize, after that there is nothing to proof to the world again. You can't ask George Weah or Messi to proof their worth as a world best footballer having won the World Footballer of the Year. It does not make sense.
It's even an insult to start giving all these Wikipedia awards organised by the faceless so called super scholars, damned whoever gave them that appellation, to the acknowledged, world's accepted best.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by opokonwa(m): 8:56am On May 22, 2012|
Sincerely, I am enjoying you
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 9:04am On May 22, 2012|
Don't mind me, I can be funny sometimes.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by bayooooooo: 9:28am On May 22, 2012|
To cut a long story short, irrespective of what I have written above, I personally believe Achebe is one of the Africa's best writers. He was the one that advertised African literature to the world and had consistently challenged the west of her rabid, sordid dehumanizing racism towards Africa.
I believed Achebe's troubles in winning Nobel prize might not be unconnected with his criticism of Conrad which was not well received in the West. Nobel Prize is not an automatic thing that once nominated, it becomes confirmed. Just like the CAF, or FIFA stuff, there is voting after nomination and that like other human activity, is subjected to politics of the day. Since he is not in a position to lobby for such vote, the result is of course obvious to us.
This is not in any way to discredit those who have won the award. They are hardworking, brilliant and excellent minds. But to some people, the guy with the Dean's award, the faculty prize or the first class student may in all honesty not be the best student in the class. But in official circle, award, rank is use for recognition and that is very essence of campaign by numerous people that Achebe should be given the honor he rightly deserved. But until that's done, his deification as Africa's best can't not be substantiated and will go against available evidence.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by Zulele: 10:02am On May 22, 2012|
I tink he finally collected dat 50cent's bribe 2 sell his rights of d name ''things fall apart".... 50cent finally released d movies....
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by nsiadi: 10:21am On May 22, 2012|
I know some people will like 2 keep vigil so as to deflect more awards coming to Achebe. They can stay awake but won't accomplish their dream
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by andyprez(m): 10:40am On May 22, 2012|
This is why our country can't (& maybe NEVER) grow because of our mind set here.
The book is great & it has received world recognition... DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
We should be happy a Nigerian book was among just as we were happy when a Nigerian won a Nobel prize.
Arguing that Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa (with other tribes) is better WON'T & WILL NOT take us anywhere.
Let's appreciate our people please.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by tpia@: 11:40am On May 22, 2012|
Achebe is a good writer but i believe cyprian ekwensi is seriously underrated- not sure why.
|Re: Achebe's Things Fall Apart Named One Of 50 Most Influential Books by topmost4u: 2:51pm On May 22, 2012|
most people here have nt read d book i will advise u 2 go and read it very interesting
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