fortran12: why only trousers?, why is it that they is the only part that ppl are talking about what about the other laws in the chapter of Deuteronomy? Ppl just pick what suits them and make laws out of them and put their personal opinions into the interpreting the bible. Lots of Christians in Nigeria are focusing on the less important things and leaving the wat actually matters

honeyfave: @Goshen i willnt argue with u because i ve reasoned like u in the past.
But i thank God that HE revealed the right paths to me. I'm seriously praying that God should reveals himself to my lovely sisters too . Kingdom of God is not bread and butter.

Goshen360:

God cannot be the author of confusion. If God gave you the "spoken" (which is subject to change off course) BUT the "written" word CANNOT be changed..

honeyfave: Based on my experience i will say it's a sin.
I rarely put on skirt (i had just one casual skirt prior to my encounter). Behold in the month of May 2011, i had a dream in which i dressed in a pair of jean trouser and a blouse holding my Bible. A man was looking at me and my Bible shaking his head, he called me and told my that the way of my dressing does not glorify God, he later showed me the kind of clothes i need to put on(which are mainly skirts and shirts). i changed to one of the clothes d man showed me in the dream. And d man said that i can now go anywhere i want to go with my bible. Since that time i ve stopped putting on trousers.

haibe: O.k goshen are you saying the inner law in the heart tells you that you shouldn't kill, commit adultery(all in the mosaic law) but doesn't tell you(if u're a girl) not to wear trouser?

haibe:
Is the mosaic law spoken? How come it is subject to change? Please answer Is God now not an author of confusion by saying "don't obey all of those laws anymore". You agreed that the inner law will tell you not to kill but you fail to realise that the mosaic law stated that before the inner law came into existence, are you not now still obeying that law? Please answer. I tried to explain to you that the spirit of God helps you obey those commandments of God that you couldn't obey because of your carnal nature but you said No, we are not to obey the law, the truth is that you and i clearly know that some laws still apply to us (e.g thou shall not kill) and some do not because christ has made provisions and we are not to do anything anymore like killing of the lamb, now if i may ask why don't you kill even though we are to ignore the mosaic law that states we shouldn't kill? Please answer my questions. And just to inform you, God gave those laws to govern our lives, if it wasn't necessary he wouldn't have given us, if there was nothing wrong in stealing, if there was nothing wrong in a male wearing that pertains to a female, don't you think God will not bother telling us to obey? Answer please.

Phiozy: Out of d mouth of two, a matter is established. Ur only reference is deutronomy. Remember d old testament is a shadow of d new, nd sum relevant laws in the old were spoken abt again in d new testament, makin such matters established. Trouser wasn't one of dem, but we were told 2 b modest and decent in out dressin, and avoid doin tins dat wld make anoda sin. Like I said b4, Iv got frnds whom u wld rather dey put on trousies dan skirts cuz of ...... It is not a sin 2 me! Wonderin y no one's talkin abt collared shirts, face cap, shorts, slippers, headwarmers e.t.c. Since a man cnt wear blouse, bt ladies do wear shirts(wich is common among guys) like bankers, does dat mean its a sin? Modesty nd decency is the paramout tin.

haibe: My understanding of deutronomy 22 is that in a community/country/society which has its established culture or a well organised cultural group to say, a man should not wear that which a woman is to wear.. For instance if trouser is initially made for female in nigeria, then a man shouldn't wear it and vice versa or if skirt is made initially for male in greece, then a woman shouldn't wear it. It wouldn't be o.k for both sexes to wear what initially pertains to that of a sex only. God must have a reason for giving us this law to obey and because some men who are ignorant of the law are already going against the law doesn't make you as a christian to do the same. Now the issue of trouser, i saw a post of someone writing that "we should be careful not to obey the law". Please the bible is not telling us not to obey the law when we can as most people assume as a result of certain mis-interpreted verses. Jesus said he didn't come to destroy the law but to fulfil"
When the apostles are saying we aren't under the law anymore, it doesn't mean we are not to obey the law but that since the law brings bondage, we are no longer under bondage(law) but under grace(freeman), it means we don't have to strive to please God because there is a grace that brings salvation that makes it easy to obey the law, it becomes a normal thing to obey the law because your nature has been changed to that of christs. The bible tells us that the law is a reflection oF God's nature. If you are now a child of God obeying God's law will just be as easy as complying to your nature but we obey the law not as though we are under bondage but as freemen. What the apostles made us understand is that those who are under the law(e.g jews) and without grace can't please God because their hearts were hardened, they have not received the heart of flesh which comes as a result of Gods grace through Jesus. The spirit of God cant tell us not to obey the law of God but will rather strenghten us to obey them with ease thereby making us not to be under bondage of the law. Am just explaining this to make us understand that we are still to obey Gods law but only through Gods grace that make us free. There are so many places that the bible repeated Gods law in the new testament and that we are to follow them like 1 corinthians 6:9-10, galatians 5:19-21, revelations 22:14-15. E.t.c if we are not to obey the law, then let us commit adultery, theft, murder since they are of the law but no we obey Gods law not as that of bondage but as the law of liberty.
In conclusion we are to obey what deutronomy 22 tells us, in nigeria men started wearing trousers, all of a sudden we saw women doing the same but its not right, if trousers was known from the foundation to be for both sexes, then that is o.k since it was neither for the male only or female only as the bible only says men shouldn't wear that which pertaineth to a woman and vice versa, so if trousers were made for both sexes initially, there will be nothing wrong but as for now as we see in most countries how what has been made for a particular sex is now being worn by both sexes, this is very wrong even though we don't want to accept because we do such, the truth is bitter and because majority accepts it doesn't mean it is right, infact to go to heaven your company must be of the Few(mattew 7:13-14). I have a sister who wears trousers also but i just have to continue to advice her to stop... May God help us to understand the truth.
P.S. I noted someone saying that in other countries females have to wear trousers as a result of cold but what i will say is (1). A christian who really loves God and understand his word would rather please God than please herself. 2). There are other clothes a female can wear that will cover her body apart from that of a male.

Shalom.

Goshen360:

Thank you my sister. I thought of that verse when I wanted to reply "haibe" when you said from the mouth of two or three the truth shall be established. They might tell you that so because it was recorded once means we should ignore it after all Jesus only said "ye must be born again" only once in John's account, lolz. The truth is, none of these guys had proved beyond all contradictions that a woman wearing trouser is a sin other than quoting deut 22:5. It is simply NOT found in "our" NT. This issue is NOT part of the Gospel and some of these guys should stop spread a false Gospel to the body of Christ.

goldylock:

What u just said makes no sense. So Nigerian men wore trousers first was it what they were wearing at first culturally? The white man came with his trousers for men u accepted it no problems now he has come with trousers for women n u won't accept it? Typical Nigerian male chauvinist. Smh

haibe:
Okay i get you, because the NT did not repeat deut 22:5 then its no longer a sin, let me ask you: is gambling a sin? Is inbreeding a sin? Is masturbatin a sin?

Goshen360:

CHRISTIANS WERE NEVER GIVEN THE LAW OF MOSES IN THE FIRST PLACE, IT WAS GIVEN TO THE JEWS.

diluminati: This is bondage when religion tells you what and what not to wear.

FXKing2012: It is not a sin, it's the intent of your heart that determines whether u sin or not.

haibe:
And what makes you think a jew can't be converted to a christian? So then he should forget those laws that are still vital to christianity? Let's assume am a jew but now a christian, what does my conversion to christianity has to do with a law like that of deut 22:5, there are other laws that can't just be applicable to a christian but there is nothing wrong in obeying a law like deut 22:5 and even some of the 10 commandments not as though you are bound to the law but obeying them because you know they are still applicable to christianity and that God has a reason for giving those laws, God understands that those law are essential for we humans and that's why he gave them, just imagine all the male start wearing skirts in nigeria and female trousers, does this sound normal to you?

rhemaplus: D same chapter that says women shld nt wear men clothings also say u shld nt wear mixture of materials(no linen with wool, it must b 100% wool or cotton), it also says dnt do mixed cropping. Haba, hw much of these can u follow? Rhema can cm prohibitx u to wear trouser or ear rings but its simply subjective n cant b used as a doctrine.
Our consideratx nw shld b is it moderate, non sexy? does it glorify God, wil it nt mk d weak in faith fal? These n more shld b our consideratx. We must nt entangle n put pple in bondage dictatx to them wht to wear, wht to eat etc, dese ar simply worshipping with d will n nt d spirit. When we learn hw to b led by d spirit, dir wont b unnecessary argument of wht is right n wrong. When we consiously live with al dis law, then we'l becm sin consious n nt righteous consious. D old testament is a shadow of NT. Wht dat passage means in our tym is deeper than dat n its elaborated in 1cor 11.

Goshen360: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners [size=20pt]spake[/size] in [size=20pt]time past[/size] unto [size=20pt]the fathers[/size] by the prophets, Hath [size=20pt]in these last days[/size] [size=20pt]spoken unto us[/size] [size=20pt]by [his] Son[/size], whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds. Heb 1:1-2 Kjv.

This is the Introductory/opening words in the epistle of Hebrews and the core message of Paul therein. The rest is just an exposition and deeper insight of these statement. God "spoke" in the PAST BUT NOW "spoke" to US (Christians) by His Son. If you still want to keep following the laws of Moses, go ahead BUT remember,

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Gal 3:10 Niv

But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God's Book of the Law." NLT.

So if you are keeping some aspects of the Mosaic laws and neglecting the rest, you are breaking all and such person is under a curse of the law BUT Christ has redeemed us from the curses of the law having been made a curse for us. Gal 3:13.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10 Kjv

For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God's laws. NLT

Goshen360:

My brother, You need to STUDY the "Epistle to the Hebrews". It was written to the Jews who converted to Christianity and due to their holding to "laws and ceremony" of Moses that lead them to Judaism, Paul was wrote to them to tell them everything Jesus did was BETTER THAN EVERYTHING IN THE OT. My brother, the OT is a type and shadows and NOT the very image or substance themselves. If a Jew convert to Christianity, they are NOT expected to follow the ways of the Mosaic Law but the Christian law. When a Jews "CONVERT" to Christianity, he/she "crosses" from OT to NT which is a better covenant. All ceremonial and Mosaic laws are ALL GONE according to the epistle to the Hebrews or Jews. All your answers lies in Hebrews. I wont go deeper into that.

Again, it's NOT about having my life to live or something. It's about proving ALL things. We have the "Canon" of scriptures to validate these teaching. I do not intend to refute your denominational teachings even the so called "RESTITUTION" but to say that a woman wearing a trouser IS A SIN is simply NOT a NT Christian teachings. It might be your denominational teaching, that's okay but it is NOT a sound doctrine/teaching for the NT Christians. When you say that it a sin for a woman to wear trouser based Deut 22:5, then we should simply ask you if you also keep other regulations and ceremonial laws of Moses? What God had called clean, please don't call it unclean. Trouser wearing don't defile a woman BUT the motives or heart with which she wears it can defile her.

Don't accept a teaching simple because your Pastor preached it, you need to scan such teachings by your own research efforts. I respect your denomination but many of your teachings are simply wrong, they are man made traditions of men. Was it not your denomination that used to teach in the past, people should not watch T.V? Was it not your denomination that teach people should not be educated and when the time came to spread the Gospel to other countries, they wanted educated people. I can go on and on but It's just not right to say wearing a trouser by a woman defiles her meanwhile, women of your denomination wear it here in the USA and women in Nigeria can't wear it, that is hypocrisy my brother and it is not the Gospel.

Image123: Gosh, pls shut up about haibe's denomination and focus on the discussion please, it's starting to irritate. what's the denomination, ironically?

haibe:
Yes you are right and if God tells you to d̶̲̅σ something and you do not, it is sin.