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|Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 3:01pm On Jun 16, 2012|
A book entitled A Divine Revelation of Hell by Mary K. Baxter is said to chronicle Baxter’s forty-night journey through heaven and hell. While being interviewed by Sid Roth on “It’s Supernatural,” a program broadcast by Daystar, Baxter stated that Jesus personally took her through hell for thirty nights and through heaven for ten nights. She also stated that Jesus told her to write about this so people can “know that hell is real and how people can avoid going there.” In other words, Baxter claims that Jesus wanted this book written so people can hear the gospel. Baxter discussed other things that she claimed Jesus showed her. The program encourages people to purchase the book for a “donation” of $18. (Full transcript)
There are grave problems with this book. First, if this is truly a “divine” revelation from God, then it should be included in Scripture. Second, to say that Jesus wanted Baxter to write a book about how to overcome evil and be saved, then that presumes that the Bible does not already contain this message.
Problem One: Revelation is Closed
There are two views regarding revelation: closed vs. open. Before explaining these things, I must first define revelation. Revelation is information that God makes known about himself and his plan that has never before been made known. This differs from illumination, which is to make revelation understood. When most people say they are receiving or presenting a revelation, they actually are referring to illumination; they are using the incorrect term.
Many Christians believe that revelation is closed; some believe it is open. Closed revelation means that God has revealed all he chose to reveal about himself. Scripture and nature contain that revelation; Jesus is the living revelation, but it is through Scripture that we know about Jesus. Open revelation means that there are still things that are not known that God still intends to make known. Those who hold to a closed revelation believe that the Bible is complete and no new books will be added. Open revelation Christians believe that there are books that may be included with Scripture at a later date.
If Baxter is correct, then Scripture, as we have it in the Bible, is incomplete. Also, because her book is claimed to be “divine” revelation, she is equating it with Scripture, which is an open revelation view. However, Scripture addressed this question already. The final book written, the book of Revelation, given to the apostle John, contains this answer. At the end of the book, Jesus tells John:
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.-Revelation 22:18-19, NASB
This statement was given by Christ at the end of the final revelation given to man. This was done, I believe, intentionally in order to make it known that revelation is closed. If revelation is open, then this statement is nullified. Whether one believes that these verses apply only to the book of Revelation or to the whole of Scripture, if someone receives new revelation then they are adding to or taking away from the book. This is because they are promoting “revelation” that adds to or takes away from what is written in the book of Revelation and Scripture, including the gospel, theology, and prophecy. One must ask why Jesus would condemn anyone who takes away from or adds to the book if revelation is open. If revelation is open, then Jesus’ statement is nullified. However, this statement stands true and closes revelation.
Baxter’s book supposedly gives new revelation about all the issues addressed in Scripture generally and the book of Revelation specifically. However, since revelation is closed, one must reject her book because it is not divine revelation, but either a commentary, heresy, or fiction.
Problem Two: Scripture is Complete
Baxter claims that Jesus wanted her to write this book so people will know how to overcome evil and be saved. In other words, because Jesus wanted people to have the gospel, he needed her to write this book. This presumes that Scripture as found in the Bible does not already address these issues. However, there are many passages that present the gospel message. Many passages deal with overcoming sin, evil, and Satan. Many passages teach about hell. In short, Scripture already teaches what she claims her book is supposed to reveal.
Another implication of her claim is that if the gospel was not known until her book came out, then how did all the millions of people learn the gospel from a Bible that supposedly does not contain the gospel? How did they get saved without her book?
The truth is, Paul made it clear that “all Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16-17, NASB). In other words, Scripture contains all we need in order to know how to be saved and grow in Christ in order to glorify God. Baxter’s book is not needed.
Christians should avoid Baxter’s book. It is not revelation, as she claims. Based on her claims that the book is not illumination, but new revelation, it violates the teaching in Scripture, demotes Scripture, and is, therefore, heresy.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 3:02pm On Jun 16, 2012|
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by Image123(m): 5:02pm On Jun 16, 2012|
is it a new book? who did she see in hell and heaven BTW,
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by ijawkid(m): 5:40pm On Jun 16, 2012|
Image123: is it a new book? who did she see in hell and heaven BTW,
Definitly satan with a pitch fork in hell....
Its funny when I hear these stories...
Instead of many to be struggling to decipher what d book of revelations has to say to us and what we shuld expect in this stream of time many are busy dispensing spurious dreams and revelations...
I never listen to prophecies or dreams or visions of people today,because all we need is in d book d bible.....
I rather find it interesting to delve into bible chronology and see how events recorded in d bible fit into our day....
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by Image123(m): 5:45pm On Jun 16, 2012|
ijawkid:not to downplay anyone's experience though, but all experience should be in lieu and light of the Scriptures and the Spirit of God with discernment.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by solo.j(m): 7:24pm On Jun 16, 2012|
@ Frosbel, Baxter,s books have been a great blessings to me and many people out there. Her experiences have Biblical backings. I, for one have led some souls to the Lord using her books with Biblical references. Get and read 'HEAVEN IS REAL' - By Mrs. CHO. You will find Jesus Christ validating the veracity of Baxter's Books. I reckon we will have to rethink our theology about revelations, Iluminations, Inspirations and co.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 8:41pm On Jun 16, 2012|
Let us discuss a number of Mary Baxter's so called revelations .
“‘Behold, My child,’ Jesus said, ‘I am going to take you by My Spirit into hell so that you may be able to make a record of the reality of it, to tell the whole earth that hell is real, and to bring the lost out of darkness and into the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ.’"
In other words, by scaring people to death with the gruesome depictions of an awful and relentless torture chamber, they will now fall into the loving arms of their Savior, Who, according to Mary, is a vengeful and confused schizophrenic milksop, as you will soon see.
Question: If a soul sees hell, as Baxter describes, is filled with fear, and runs to her Jesus, will that soul say, “Thank you for saving me, Jesus”? Or will that soul say, “Whew, that was close! Good thing I made the right decision!”? In other words, is it self-salvation or Christ salvation? And what kind of gratitude can someone possibly have when threatened into decision? Does this sound like true salvation? We don’t think so!
She then puts these words in His mouth:
“‘These things you are about to see will always be with you. The world must know about the reality of hell. Many sinners and even some of My people do not believe that hell is real. You have been chosen by Me to reveal these truths to them. Everything I will show you about hell and all the other things I will show you are true.’”
Does the Lord, Who is the Truth, have to vouch for what He reveals as true? Those are not the words of the Lord of glory, the Truth Himself, but of carnival hucksters who trade on the credulity of the ignorant. Yet even they might have some basis for their claims, whereas Mary presents a figment of her perverse imagination as God Almighty. There can be no greater scam.
As for sinners not believing hell is real, how are the dead supposed to be able to perceive the state they are in? Not having experienced life or Heaven, how are they to have any contrast by which they can see the death and hell they are choosing or are now in?
“But he does not know that the dead are there; her guests are in the depths of hell”(Proverbs 9:18 ).
On the other hand, when the Holy Spirit of God convicts and quickens a soul in its death state, it is not fear of torment that moves that person to repentance, but revulsion of the exposed sin nature and abhorrence of self in the light of God’s glory.
What follows are descriptions of several of the souls Mary says she saw in hell.
"I looked and saw that the lost soul in the pit was caged inside a skeleton form. 'My Lord,' I cried at the sight, 'Can't you let them out?' How awful was the sight! I thought, This could be me. I said, 'Lord, how sad it is to see and know that a living soul is in there.'
I heard a cry from the center of the first pit. I saw a soul in the form of a skeleton, crying, 'Jesus, have mercy!'
'O, Lord!' I said. It was the voice of a woman. I looked at her and wanted to pull her out of the fire. The sight of her broke my heart.
The skeleton form of a woman with a dirty-grey mist inside was talking to Jesus. In shock, I listened to her. Decayed flesh hung by shreds from her bones, and, as it burned, it fell off into the bottom of the pit. Where her eyes had once been were now only empty sockets. She had no hair.
The fire started at her feet in small flames and grew as it climbed up and over her body. The woman seemed to be constantly burning, even when the flames were only embers. From deep down inside her came cries and groans of despair, 'Lord, Lord, I want out of here!'"
No kidding! This poor wretch is on fire forever, her flesh somehow and supposedly able to perpetually renew itself in a continual barbecue. Have you ever burned yourself? Recall how it hurt. Now think about experiencing that non-stop over your entire body, down to the bone, with no end, forever. What sadistic being would ever think or desire such a thing?
We have the evidence here that human beings are more than willing to imagine this for their fellow humans, but the thought never crossed God’s mind, according to His Own Words and demonstrated throughout His creation. We never see the likes of Baxter’s thinking in this world, and we read nothing in Scripture or hear from God of any such thing in the next.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by God2man(m): 9:36pm On Jun 16, 2012|
@frosbel, if a book has become a blessing to many people, why are you criticizing the book.
This is why many christians run away from nairaland. We never agree. The Lord will deliver us.
God bless you.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 9:40pm On Jun 16, 2012|
We should worship God because we Love him and Hate SIN, not because of some grim, false nonsense called revelation of hell. Let's call a spade a spade , the book is false teaching.
Hell exists, but all that we need to know is made plain in the bible , anything else is adding to the word of GOD.
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." - 1 John 4:18
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 9:47pm On Jun 16, 2012|
My dear I do not read books about hell or heaven.
Even the great apostle Paul was shown a vision of heaven , yet he did not boast about it or reveal the contents of his vision. But we now see , in these last days of deception, 'everybody' going to hell and heaven.
"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell. I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses." - 2 Corinthians 12:2-5
"However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"-1 Corinthians 2:9
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 10:19pm On Jun 16, 2012|
Another issue which I have with these revelations is that they go on to write books, sell CDs, tapes etc , tell me is this right
Surely God's revelation is not up for sale, right ?
Please let us use wisdom , if we are unsure , ask God for this wisdom , otherwise we will be deceived.
Read the Bible , Bible and the Bible. It contains all the truths you need to know. Read it , meditate on it and ask God for illumination of it's contents.
"If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him." - James 1:5
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by cyrexx: 12:03pm On Jun 17, 2012|
I used to be a very fervent born-again christian and i have bought this book since 2005 and i used to believe it is true (I even use several copies for personal evangelism) until i cant find anwsers to some of these questions
1. this book describes Jesus as a wicked, schizophrenic monster. wicked as in people will cry out to him for mercy and he will just ignore them and even add to their sorrow by his harsh uncomforting words. schizophrenic as in one minute he will be joyful, the next minute he will be shedding tears. Now if Jesus is the omniscient creator and he has the foreknowledge that these souls he is visiting in hell will spend eternity there, why did he permit them to be born and why didnt he prevent them from going to this horrible place. this is the first on the series of questions that led me to the path of atheism.
2. why do revelations about God emphasize on Hell. as if the creator of the universe's main business is deciding who will go and who will not go to hell. are there no other problems of mankind that God can address in his revelations to his prophets and help us to solve than just talking about hell
3. how will you prove it wrong if another person from another religion claims his God reveals himself to him and says christians will burn in hell forever if they do not believe him that His God is the only true God instead of the Christians's God. if you believe that other religion's revelation is wrong, then why do you believe this divine revelation is not wrong, since you cant prove both
4. God has revealed himself to more than four billion muslims, buddhists and hindus and God didnt tell them that they will burn in hell alive in excruciating pain for trillions and trillions and triliions of years if they refuse to worship the Jewish God. Even long before the europeans came to africa, God has revealed Himself to my forefathers and didnt tell them that they will burn in hell for refusing to follow a white mans God according to this divine revelations
5. The Bible says God will judge all men at the end of the world, but why are these revelations showing that God has already judged people before the judgement day. God is contradicting Himself?
6. how much sin and wickedness can someone do in one's lifetime that will deserve a sentence of spending billions and billions of years burning in pain with no hope of ever finishing that sentence.imagine a man that proposes to a man by saying "i love you and i will lay my life down for, pls be my wife forever.BUT if you refuse to accept me i have a secret torture chamber originally made for my enemies that i will use torture you FOREVER with no rest day and night, even if you eventually change your mind about me later. there will NEVER be forgiveness for you again. you better marry me now or else". is that genuine love. do christians love God and worship Him genuinely or they fear hell fire?
7. Christians, if you are to make heaven and avoid hell, will you be truly happy when you remember that probably some of your relatives and friends are still burning alive somewhere else. what kind of heaven will that be when Jesus Christ is still seeing tormented souls. (remember He cried when he sees tortured soul in Mary Baxter's revelation; how long will Jesus Christ cry for these souls thruout eternity)
8. Some of the divine revelations even contradict themselves. e.g. some say children are in hell, some say children are not there; some say say black men will be given white skins when they get to heaven, some say Jesus has white hair as in the book of revelation and some say He has black hair like a Jew, some say devil is under the groound, some say he is in the air, some say satan cant call the JESUS, some say satan calls the name JESUS freely, some say the devil is being tortured in hell , some say he enjoying himself by torturing people there etc etc etc
Right now, i am no longer a christian and I had lost faith in all those so-called divine revelations as they are subject to human delusions and you cant verify if they are made up or not.
check out these websites to see the falsehood of these deluded fellows who claimed that they saw heaven and hell
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 12:20pm On Jun 17, 2012|
cyrexx: I used to be a very fervent born-again christian and i have bought this book since 2005 and i used to believe it is true (I even use several copies for personal evangelism) until i cant find anwsers to some of these questions
Please do not reject Christ, you and I are to blame for been deceived and the reason is simple, we do not read our bibles , talk less of meditate on scripture.
Many many doctrines I believed were true, such as the prosperity gospel, name it and claim it,everlasting torture etc , I have began to reject because I now read my bible.
For instance the doctrine of Hell is true for sure but the duration is something I am not so sure we all know. God does not reveal the details but he does tell us what we need to know , and that is all people who reject Christ will be destroyed in the lake of fire which in my opinion ( subject to further research ) is not everlasting torture but destruction, they will never be remembered again , they will cease to exist and there will be no more remembrance of their names forever.
"The memory of the righteous will be a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot." - Proverbs 10:7
Psalm 9:5 "You have rebuked the nations and destroyed the wicked; you have blotted out their name for ever and ever."
The punishment is everlasting in that it is irreversible but the destruction is certain.
Or else how do we explain the follow words :
" He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away"-Revelation 21:4
From this we can infer that many tears might be shed for the destruction of the wicked especially those we know, but after this, when the destruction is complete, God will wipe away their tears , no more mourning or crying or pain forever and ever.
Let us engage our brains and stop depicting God as a 'monster' who takes delight in everlasting torture,makes no sense.
This is the devils way of destroying souls that otherwise would have accepted Jesus, again please read your Bible and come back to Christ.
Lastly there is this false doctrine that demons are in hades tormenting souls as we speak, this is false. The bible clearly says that the devil roams about the whole earth, seeking whom he may devour.
God rules in Heaven, on earth and under the earth , not Satan.
"Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." - 1 Peter 5:8
Job 1:7 "The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Please read this article http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/immortality_resurrection/6.htm with a pinch of salt , but it explains so many issues.
In summary therefore, God will indeed destroy sin and sinners forever , we must and should hate sin, but he would rather we accept his Son and have life eternal.
There will be degrees of punishment according to our deeds as the bible says but this does not mean torture for zillions of years, if true, it is mind boggling, but it is not true.
"my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children." - Hosea 4:6
Some advice : " Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful." - Joshua 1:8
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by cyrexx: 12:47pm On Jun 17, 2012|
thanks for your concern
i did NOT reject Christ as a person because he did me no wrong. i believe he is a good Jew who lived and died 2000 years ago and who has been grossly misrepresented by billions of people
i reject christianity and all other religions,
i reject religion's dogma and irrational claims like every precious human souls except born again christians will spend eternity in the lake of fire
i reject the feeling that everybody is born a sinner and deserves hell.
i reject the bloodthirsty Yahweh of the old testament who orders the Jews to slaughter every man woman and child who worships any non-Yahweh god. but Yahweh claimed he created those people to live in those cultures where Yahweh is not known as the Almighy God. this wicked being is very similar to the Islamic Allah. i reject them both. those bloodthirsty spiritual monsters deserves no worship
i reject the many contradictions and irrrational claims contained in the bible and other holy books
so you understand me now.
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by frosbel(m): 1:03pm On Jun 17, 2012|
cyrexx: dear frosbel,
Baffles me how you could say that you were once a devout Christian.
God is just in all his doings , we can be sure that he is light and in him there is absolutely not one iota of darkness.
On the day of judgement, he will be just , I have no doubt about this , who are we to question him ?
Or do you want to tell me that all the heartbreak, heartache, pain, suffering, abortions, murders, terrorist wickedness, greed , corruption , intimate deviance, child sacrifice, etc etc should just be allowed to go unpunished. God forbid that it be so, these are the people who are destroying the earth and making it into an almost unliveable place.
"The nations were filled with wrath, but now the time of your wrath has come. It is time to judge the dead and reward your servants the prophets, as well as your holy people, and all who fear your name, from the least to the greatest. It is time to destroy all who have caused destruction on the earth." - Revelations 11:18
Absolutely no way , I know that God is JUST forever and the punishment of sinners is well deserved, he or she that died without the law and in wickedness will perish without the law and he or she that died with the law and in wickedness will perish in that condition.
Again there are degrees of punishment, we are mere mortals and do not quite understand spiritual issues without the revelation of God which is through his Spirit.
Sin MUST be done away with, SIN Must be destroyed with sinners and a new world order ( not the kind Alex Jones talks about ) will come in the form of a new heaven and new earth wherein dwells righteousness.
We can argue all day and blame God all day , for me, I will rather conform my life to the will of God while also trying to snatch others out of the fire , the everlasting fire of destruction.
"snatch others from the fire and save them ; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." - Jude 1:23
|Re: Book by Mary Baxter is dangerous and is not divine by haibe(m): 2:24pm On Jun 17, 2012|
frosbel:I support you, mark 9:43-48 gives us some clues about hell though.
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