FXKing2012:
Do you really think God enjoys seeing people suffer?

FXKing2012: I have been wondering why people always attribute such things as car crash, death, sickness, plane crash, poverty, war, etc etc to God. Do you really think God enjoys seeing people suffer? Do you think God needs the weapon of the devil to operate effectively and efficiently? It's so sad when even so called Christians attribute human sufferings to God and they try to suggest that God caused it.

We serve a God of love who loves us so much that He gave His Son to die for our sins. He does not have anything to gain by seeing us suffer, so pls do away with the idea that God is behind our sufferings as a human race.

GOD LOVES YOU ALL!

logicboy01:


Sorry to open with an insult but you are quite ignorant. There is no easy way to tell you about the flaws in your statements.

1) The bible shows how God caused painful suffering in the old testament. Killing Jobs family just to test his faith. Giving the Egyptians (some of whom were innocent) plagues and killing their innocent first born children.

2) God created, everything according to you, therefore, he created leprosy, earthquakes, floods and suffering

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Ptolomeus:
Yes.
There are hundreds of biblical stories that God sadistically enjoys the suffering of people, even of its favorite sons.

logicboy01:


Sorry to open with an insult but you are quite ignorant. There is no easy way to tell you about the flaws in your statements.

1) The bible shows how God caused painful suffering in the old testament. Killing Jobs family just to test his faith. Giving the Egyptians (some of whom were innocent) plagues and killing their innocent first born children.

2) God created, everything according to you, therefore, he created leprosy, earthquakes, floods and suffering

https://www.nairaland.com/976130/atheism-not-african-thing-european

musKeeto: Because He's God.. and without Him was not anything made....

FXKing2012:

Yes God created everything but He never created them to torture us (His creation). After the fall of Lucifer, he (the devil) then manipulates those things to harm humans. Do u understand?

ijawkid:

God didn't kill jobs kids if u ever read ur bible well...

Satan did....

God only allowed it......

God allowing is not d same as causing.....

U dig??

logicboy01:


Well if you can say that easily about somebody's family, how would you like for God to test your faith by "allowing" your family to die? How does your conscience feel? Can you replace your mon/sister/father/brother/children? How would you like if someoene said that God allowed satan to kill them.

ijawkid:

What was d end result of jobs integrity....??

The truth is d life has become imperfect,and satan causing mayhem here and there....

Servants of God are sometimes allowed to undergo some refinings...
How??

God doesn't stop every of satans physical attack on his servants...

Some of his servants experienced Gods saving power literally(daniel,the 3 hebrews etc)....while some even were killed though being servants of God(stephen,some of d apostles like paul and james)....



Some were allowed to undergo serious hardships just to build up there faith in God in times of distress...


In all, in this temporary wicked system the only thing we are guaranteed of as servants of God is spiritual protection...

While we will enjoy all of Gods protection in d nearest future...

I know all what I said mite sound absurd to u since u dnt even believe in d scriptures...lol

But that is it bro...

*Point::::....God doesn't cause our problems...

The dana crash was even the fault of d engineers,the 9ja aviation body and the dana airline management...

They were flying that passenger plane with just 1 faulty engine...

That is definitly not Gods doing,but mans carelessness......

The hope of ressurection is d end point because we can't live forever in this present world...

logicboy01:



Who is talking about Dana here? Abeg stick to the point! God was directly involved with Job. Can Job replace his children that he lost? You are here aboasting about rewards and replacement children that God gave Job after. Stop and think, can you replace your parents or children? If you children are killed and wife gone, can you really replace them with another wife and children? The memories andtime spent with the first children will always reain there. The bible sees women and children as things you can replace, that is why the story of Job is like that- very foolish.

musKeeto:
So God made mistakes? He made faulty creatures?

logicboy01:


Well if you can say that easily about somebody's family, how would you like for God to test your faith by "allowing" your family to die? How does your conscience feel? Can you replace your mon/sister/father/brother/children? How would you like if someoene said that God allowed satan to kill them.

FXKing2012:

The problem wt the likes of u is that you cant see beyond your nose; all that matters to you is what happens here on earth cos u think this is where it all ends thus the only thing that matters. There is something much greater and much more important than whatever happens to us here on earth, and that is where we end up after death. I'd rather be tested here on earth in order for my faith to be built or in order for me to get closer to God and make heaven than to have everything smooth here on earth and end up in hell.

logicboy01:


Look at this guy, Earth is what matters. If you dont agree, please give me your address and let me snuff out your life. Your organs could be useful for someone that needs transplants

FXKing2012:

Now do u see how shallow and short-sighted u are. This is so sad.

ijawkid:

God didn't kill jobs kids if u ever read ur bible well...

Satan did....

God only allowed it......

God allowing is not d same as causing.....

U dig??

Zodiac61:

As for the topic itself, who does the poster think is responsible for evil/pain/loss?
I am an atheist so I do not attribute anything to a non existent being.
However, if you are a christian, god has to be responsible for everything that happens. Afterall, according to your beliefs, he is omnipotent and every thing that happens, happens because he wills it to happen.
Do not blame satan for your god's inadequacies.

FXKing2012:

Again, there is something called free-will given to all being by God which makes us responsible for our actions. The devil chose to rebel against God using his free-will and he was cast out of heaven, and he is the source of all the pain, loss and grief in the world today. Hope u know u can not tell me about a God you dont believe in or dont even know exists, I'm the one who can tell u about God cos I know He exists and have a relationship with Him.

Zodiac61:
Have you met him?
Have you seen him?
No and no.
There are people who have relationships with allah, ogun, zeus ra and so on.
All illusionary.
Your relationship with god is not evidence of his existence.
I used to have a relationship with Santa Claus, and then I grew up.
I hope you will grow up some day.
Have you ever heard of the courtier's reply?
Look it up, you might learn a thing or two.

logicboy01:

You are the one that is thinking of another life in some mythical paradise instead of focusing on the one that you have here that is real.

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. U dig
This is just making excuses for a being who,[size=14pt] if he exists, is the greatest murderer ever seen[/size].
It is obvious that have not read your bible.
If you have, you would not come up with tripe like you have above.

As for the topic itself, who does the poster think is responsible for evil/pain/loss?
I am an atheist so I do not attribute anything to a non existent being.
However, if you are a christian, god has to be responsible for everything that happens. Afterall, according to your beliefs, he is omnipotent and every thing that happens, happens because he wills it to happen.
Do not blame satan for your god's inadequacies.

real_Berni: @zodiac61
just listen to yourself below,(bolded)



you found yourself existing as a human being with inteligent features but not ready to give the credit to an inteligent being behind it,you are not there when you are formed to determine the kind of being you do like or the exact way you want to appear, it would have been better that you appear as a goat,and ripped of all human right you are enjoying right now undeservedly,

you lived in the only planet that living things exist,in which the distance of the earth from the sun is so programmed in such a way that the earth is neither too cold nor too hot for living things,or the fact that as the earth and other planets revolves round the sum,they never jam,but

then you dismiss that as not a proof of an inteligent being.what else

just look at the planet earth alone, are you not too infinitestimal in it?,now you are not ready to learn about God,but (if) you are a responsible person, and you are being critisized by someone that you provide for,you will demand respect from such a person.
how much more God who provide inteligent creatures and made human their king,cant we wait and study his ways?
maybe God thought that maybe someone might come from you or your family to serve him that is why he spare you as a human because he gives his creatures time to decide.

if inteligent creation exist by accident you cant prove it, but one thing stands out;
GARBAGE IN,GARBAGE OUT.that is if datas are not inteligently organised,it will never give inteligent result,never.your cloth fabrics was inteligently hewn together forming a pattern,before it was sewn to exact size of yours, you admire the color and the size,hence you buy it,but have you ever being to a cloth factory before? there you will see hundred of millons of piecces of tiny pieces of fabrics separeted by several units and rotates round the industrial machine forming cloth,with awe you wonder who sat down to design these,and wonder if what you pay to buy your cloth really worth it,..anyway that is if you ever have the appreciating faculty or you have rendered it dead and unresponsive and thats why you are not better than a goat in that state that you have put yourself.

it is pure waste of time debating with self-made-goats, anyway im not going to be surprised if you insult,go ooooon.

real_Berni: @zodiac61,

why are you angry? now, you called God 'a murderer ever' now you are angry with someone calling you a mere goat. are you not?

at least you believed in evolution,evolutionist belived in that transformation, so you have existed as a goat before, eating grass and transformed to ape climbing and jumping from one tree to another,so its not an insult,because thats what you choose to believe,though, maybe you are unconscious then until you were born human that you are conscious,...evolution indeed.

see what virus (in blue) has done to your reasoning;

and your quote below,if you dont know;


they were as a result of sin, and will soon be fixed when OUR GOD, THE GREAT AND INTELIGENT DESIGNER DESTROY SATAN THE DEVIL.


Revelation 12:9-15
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, [size=14pt]having great wrathbecause he knoweth that he hath but a short time[/size].,

Now this piece of information from sacred scripture has been penned down 3,500 yrs ago,show us the author of your so called intelligent books you claimed,and see that they are not as old as those that wrote the sacred scriptures, the content ofyour so called books are irrelevant and can only does what a virus would do to a system, while the prophesies of last days are here right now, evident in the 1st and 2nd world war that claimed 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the earth inhabitant, which evidently shows satans great anger, because there has never be a recorded war of those magnitude ever on earth,i stand to be disputed with records on wars ever.

you call all these above delusions? you deaden your brain such that you cant appreciate any good things around you,you dont even have any hope how you will end up your life, no hope and no directions because of laziness, tell me the truth, are you better than a goat? no, so you are one, its not an insult,

goat-in-humans skin,enjoying fundamentals of humanright, ungratefull animal.

Zodiac61:
You dismiss all the evidence which supports evolution because it does not support the writings of people who lived between 5,000 and 2,000 years ago.
That is your your perogative, however, just because you are a creationist does not make your beliefs correct or true.
There is no evidence of any intelligence behind your existence or mine.
Your arguments are really from ignorance and are not worthy of a reply.
Are you sure there is an intelligent designer behind childhood cancer, HIV, malaria, leprosy etc?
Had people shared your beliefs, we would still think that mental illnesses are signs of demonic possession.
You probably still do. That is your problem.
Yor think that the human body is evidence of intelligent design? Bully to you.
There are books from intelligent and clever persons that would show you otherwise. However, there is no use recommending any of them to people like you.
You are not willing to learn anything that would shake you from your delusions.

FXKing2012:

Only a completely dumb person wld believe in evolution theory as we were taught in sch.

real_Berni: @zodiac61,

why are you angry? now, you called God 'a murderer ever' now you are angry with someone calling you a mere goat. are you not?

at least you believed in evolution,evolutionist belived in that transformation, so you have existed as a goat before, eating grass and transformed to ape climbing and jumping from one tree to another,so its not an insult,because thats what you choose to believe,though, maybe you are unconscious then until you were born human that you are conscious,...evolution indeed.

see what virus (in blue) has done to your reasoning;

and your quote below,if you dont know;


they were as a result of sin, and will soon be fixed when OUR GOD, THE GREAT AND INTELIGENT DESIGNER DESTROY SATAN THE DEVIL.


Revelation 12:9-15
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, [size=14pt]having great wrathbecause he knoweth that he hath but a short time[/size].,

Now this piece of information from sacred scripture has been penned down 3,500 yrs ago,show us the author of your so called intelligent books you claimed,and see that they are not as old as those that wrote the sacred scriptures, the content ofyour so called books are irrelevant and can only does what a virus would do to a system, while the prophesies of last days are here right now, evident in the 1st and 2nd world war that claimed 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the earth inhabitant, which evidently shows satans great anger, because there has never be a recorded war of those magnitude ever on earth,i stand to be disputed with records on wars ever.

you call all these above delusions? you deaden your brain such that you cant appreciate any good things around you,you dont even have any hope how you will end up your life, no hope and no directions because of laziness, tell me the truth, are you better than a goat? no, so you are one, its not an insult,

goat-in-humans skin,enjoying fundamentals of humanright, ungratefull animal.

Zodiac61:
Only a fool believes in a sky fairy.

logicboy01:


Look at this guy, Earth is what matters. If you dont agree, please give me your address and let me snuff out your life. Your organs could be useful for someone that needs transplants