jmoore: Does it really takes the grace of God for one not to indulge in premarital sex(fornication)/adultery?

Whenever I raise this topic of "no sex before marriage" you hear some folks especially those who are into premarital sex or have done it in the past saying "it takes the grace of God not to fall into it". I think they are trying to console themselves and indirectly blaming God.

The grace of God is meant for forgiveness of sins.

If it takes the grace of God for us not to commit fornication/adultery, then that should apply to other sins like murder,lying, stealing etc

Some folks make silly decisions and try to blame God for it by using "It takes the grace of God for one to abstain"

tpia@:
yes, it does.

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tpia@:
well said.

its not eaay- whoever said it is, has no idea or is deliberately being misleading.

but for the grace of God.

Gloriagee: Agree



Yes, it's purely by grace...somewhere in Romans (I think ), Paul says the good I'd like to do, I find myself not doing n vice versa. N there's this other verse - for by grace r we saved not by works lest anyman shd boast. Rememba, in Hebrews there's smthg called besetting sins, so if fornication is a besetting sin, it might take the grace of God to overcome but it can be overcome.

Evil Brain: You don't need god to do anything. There are plenty of married atheists, muslims, buddhists, mormons, pagans, wiccans and devil worshippers who are able to remain faithful to their spouses without any divine assistance. OP seems to be suffering from the "my religion is right and everyone who doesn't follow it must be a sinner" delusion.

Having said that, as an atheist, I don't believe that "fornication" aka sex before marriage is wrong as long as you do it responsibly. If you practice safe sex (condoms every single time), treat your partners with respect, don't screw around on them, don't lie to them just to get them into bed, and you handle your business if your girlfriend gets pregnant, then you're okay from a moral point of view. On the other hand, if you're telling a girl that she's the only one for you and that you're going to marry her while simultaneously banging someone else on the side then you're as bad as any adulterer.

The idea that two mature, consenting adults can't have sex just because they don't have a local government kpali sounds ridiculous to me. So does the notion that I need a pastor or imam (or the invisible, undetectable being they claim to represent) to validate the a relationship based on love and respect between me and my babe.

Gloriagee: @ jmoore - Not sure, what ur point is, kindly clarify

It takes d grace of God for one to be saved from sin - murder, fornication etc. I get ur point that some peeps make excuses, true. Howeva, I still believe that it takes the grace of God for one not to commit sin (pre/post marital sex affairs, lying etc). My point is that every1 has a weakness - Moses' was anger, Solomon's was women. It would take the special grace of God for Solomon not to have been adulterous. I'm talking about christians who really want to b in God's gd books n not those lip - servicing.

for my strength is made perfect in weakness

tpia@:
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2 cor 12





knowing you have a weakness which you need God's strength to overcome, is essential when it comes to such things.

As for me I live because of the mercy I receive and his grace upon my life, not because I know how to keep myself from commiting sins

Wasbayd:


Grace! Grace!! God's Grace!!! Grace that will pardon and cleanse within.... Grace that is greater than all our sin.
As for me I live because of the mercy I receive and his grace upon my life, not because I know how to keep myself from commiting sins. Grace is the umbrella that covers me. Lord I thank you for making me one of those in Romans 9:15.

Evil Brain: You don't need god to do anything. There are plenty of married atheists, muslims, buddhists, mormons, pagans, wiccans and devil worshippers who are able to remain faithful to their spouses without any divine assistance. OP seems to be suffering from the "my religion is right and everyone who doesn't follow it must be a sinner" delusion.

Having said that, as an atheist, I don't believe that "fornication" aka sex before marriage is wrong as long as you do it responsibly. If you practice safe sex (condoms every single time), treat your partners with respect, don't screw around on them, don't lie to them just to get them into bed, and you handle your business if your girlfriend gets pregnant, then you're okay from a moral point of view. On the other hand, if you're telling a girl that she's the only one for you and that you're going to marry her while simultaneously banging someone else on the side then you're as bad as any adulterer.

The idea that two mature, consenting adults can't have sex just because they don't have a local government kpali sounds ridiculous to me. So does the notion that I need a pastor or imam (or the invisible, undetectable being they claim to represent) to validate the a relationship based on love and respect between me and my babe.

oiseworld:

you veryyyyyy wrong.
Sex before marraige is wrong and not moral. Nomatter the amount of love that exists between you two.
If after series of sex you end up not marring her so What happens ?

if she gets pregnant and you just have to abort, what happens? You can't be perfect in life and can't control everything.

What if you're new wife has had somuch sex with her bad boyfriend only to complain that your sex is bad? You know exactly what would happen when they meet again.

Spiritually, sex draws you backward. What should have been working in your success would now be drawing you backward.

Lastly, God does not approve sex before marriage.

Evil Brain:
We part amicably and move on with our lives.
I think I mentioned condoms and safe sex in my post. Plus, I wouldn't ask a girl to have an abortion. Facing up to your responsibility is part of being a man. If she decides to have one herself it's a different story, but I'll always be willing to handle my business and take care of my child.


If I can't trust a girl to remain faithful, then there's no way I'm going to marry her. Besides, thanks to all the premarital sex, I'm now pretty good in bed. My future wife will have no reason to complain.


Do you have any evidence to back this up? It's very easy to make this kind of claim but I think you'll find that reality disagrees with you.


I think I mentioned that I'm an atheist. That statement means nothing to me.

Evil Brain:
We part amicably and move on with our lives.
I think I mentioned condoms and safe sex in my post. Plus, I wouldn't ask a girl to have an abortion. Facing up to your responsibility is part of being a man. If she decides to have one herself it's a different story, but I'll always be willing to handle my business and take care of my child.


If I can't trust a girl to remain faithful, then there's no way I'm going to marry her. Besides, thanks to all the premarital sex, I'm now pretty good in bed. My future wife will have no reason to complain.


Do you have any evidence to back this up? It's very easy to make this kind of claim but I think you'll find that reality disagrees with you.


I think I mentioned that I'm an atheist. That statement means nothing to me.

oiseworld:

you atheist are very self centered, it has to be the way you want it. You've had soo much sex that youre now good at it. While someome somewhere is also having very good sex with your future wife and she's now also very good at it. What do you care? She Probably had had one or two abortions, not your problem.

You'll never force a girl to have an abortion, but you'll take care of the child just incase,you didn't say you'll marry her. You allow the child to grow wit both of u seperate.

I don't have an evidence to backup the spiritual part, you're an etheist, you'll never umderstand.

oiseworld:

you atheist are very self centered, it has to be the way you want it. You've had soo much sex that youre now good at it. While someome somewhere is also having very good sex with your future wife and she's now also very good at it. What do you care? She Probably had had one or two abortions, not your problem.

You'll never force a girl to have an abortion, but you'll take care of the child just incase,you didn't say you'll marry her. You allow the child to grow wit both of u seperate.

I don't have an evidence to backup the spiritual part, you're an etheist, you'll never umderstand.

oiseworld:

you atheist are very self centered, it has to be the way you want it. You've had soo much sex that youre now good at it. While someome somewhere is also having very good sex with your future wife and she's now also very good at it. What do you care? She Probably had had one or two abortions, not your problem.

You'll never force a girl to have an abortion, but you'll take care of the child just incase,you didn't say you'll marry her. You allow the child to grow wit both of u seperate.

I don't have an evidence to backup the spiritual part, you're an etheist, you'll never umderstand.

jmoore: Does it really takes the grace of God for one not to indulge in premarital sex(fornication)/adultery?

Whenever I raise this topic of "no sex before marriage" you hear some folks especially those who are into premarital sex or have done it in the past saying "it takes the grace of God not to fall into it". I think they are trying to console themselves and indirectly blaming God.

The grace of God is meant for forgiveness of sins.

If it takes the grace of God for us not to commit fornication/adultery, then that should apply to other sins like murder,lying, stealing etc

Some folks make silly decisions and try to blame God for it by using "It takes the grace of God for one to abstain"

Evil Brain: . OP seems to be suffering from the "my religion is right and everyone who doesn't follow it must be a sinner" delusion.

tpia@:
the thread isnt really meant for people who are committed to fornication and adultery, or what am I missing here?

if the topic disturbs you then dont post since nobody expressly called your name?

the op is addressing people who have a struggle keeping from the above mentioned issues.