That Jesus was a man of contradiction would not have escaped the keen reader on the bible. He is supposed to be the bearer of the good news message, but such message is usually couched ambiguous language and parables. On the one hand he preaches the notion of loving your neighbour, on the other hand advocates violence. He even espoused the concept of eternal punishment for the first time in the Christian belief worldview.

He is held up as the paragon of family values, yet he is curt with his own family members, addressing his mother in abusive terms and advocating the abandonment of family ties as a pre-requisite for discipleship. Nowhere is his contradictory character more aptly illustrated than in his attitude towards non-Jews.

There are two occasions in the bible where Jesus is seemed to imply that his "messages was meant only for the lost tribe of the house of Israel" and implored his disciple "not to take the message into the Gentile communities". Yet, further on, he is seen to advise he followers to take the message to the world at large.

So what really does Jesus stand for? What are we to make of this bigotry to non-Jews attributed to him in the gospels?


See the following verses for the bigoted messages:

Matthew 10: 5-6
Matthew 15: 21-28


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therationa:

So what really does Jesus stand for? What are we to make of this bigotry to non-Jews attributed to him in the gospels?

Why not ask Him??, im sure He'd answer you, if u really want to know . . .

@therationa

There are two occasions in the bible where Jesus is seemed to imply that his "messages was meant only for the lost tribe of the house of Israel"

"Once Beaten, Twice Shy". So what happens when you're Beaten Twice? As far as I'm concerned, if the above quotation can be remotely traced to Jesus, then He did not come for the rest of us  The closest a "Jesus" came to us in Naija was the "Jesus of Oyingbo"  

Alphazee:

@therationa"Once Beaten, Twice Shy". So what happens when you're Beaten Twice? As far as I'm concerned, if the above quotation can be remotely traced to Jesus, then He did not come for the rest of us The closest a "Jesus" came to us in Naija was the "Jesus of Oyingbo"

I have managed to trace the relevant verses. Here we go;


Matthew 10:5-6

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.


Matthew 15:24
21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

@zukkie4eva

Why not ask Him??, im sure He'd answer you, if u really want to know . . .

You all have always defended His messages and teachings. Why not answer this question on HIS befalf?

@therationa,

Matthew 10:5-6

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

What an Impartial God!

Matthew 15:24
21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Do the DOGS read these verses of the Bible or are they just content WAGGING their tails while awaiting the elusive Bread RESERVED for the Daughters (and Sons?) of Isreal? Or will the CRUMBS suffice?

Please start BARKING!

Alphazee:

@therationa,
What an Impartial God!

Do the DOGS read these verses of the Bible or are they just content WAGGING their tails while awaiting the elusive Bread RESERVED for the Daughters (and Sons?) of Isreal? Or will the CRUMBS suffice?

Please start BARKING!

Funny; will never see dogs and bread together again in the same light

@therationa
You forgot to quote MANY other passages. Like these two ->

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all things[i] (including therationa, whether he knows it or not)[/i] to myself" (Jn 12:32)



". . . I have other sheep that are not of this fold (therationa included). I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice." John 10:11-18

Imhotep, you are asking of too much to assume that hypocrites like alphazee and therationalist would see those verses you quote.

Two of the most important criteria to ferreting out errors in the bible is to:
a. quote verses out of context
b. pretend not to see other verses that defeat the claims of contradictions

It is Christians who are the greatest hypocrits,because they know that their "Jesus" (A Myth) didnt have a bible.There is no proof that their "Jesus" (A Myth) even know how to read a book.

Horus:

It is Christians who are the greatest hypocrits,because they know that their "Jesus" (A Myth) didnt have a bible.There is no proof that their "Jesus" (A Myth) even know how to read a book.

Let us now discuss mythology for the education of the likes of Horus ->

None of the scholarly definitions of "myth" imply that myths are necessarily false. In a scholarly context, the word "myth" may mean "sacred story", "traditional story", or "story about gods", but it does not mean "false story". Therefore, scholars may speak of "religious mythology" without meaning to insult religion. (For instance, a scholar may call Christian and Muslim scriptures "myths" without meaning to insult Christianity and Islam. The Christian apologist C. S. Lewis made a clear distinction between myth and falsehood when he referred to the life of Christ as a myth "which is also a fact".)

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology

Did your Jesus have a bible.?
Did he even know how to read?
Where are you evidence?

Horus:

Did your Jesus have a bible.?

Yes, His disciples were his witnesses and they wrote down what they saw and heard.

Horus:

Did he even know how to read?

Jesus's knowledge came from His union with His Father. It referred to as Pure Knowledge (not needing any mediator) in philosophy/theology.

Horus:

Where are you evidence?

We believe His witnesses.

Yes, His disciples were his witnesses and they wrote down what they saw  and heard.

Yes?So Jesus did have a bible?which version?,King James?

Jesus's knowledge came from His union with His Father. It referred to as Pure Knowledge (not needing any mediator) in philosophy/theology.

You didnt answered my question.Did Jesus know how to read?

We believe His witnesses

You can believe what ever you want,this is not an evidence,this is just what you believe.

@THERATIONA

GO AND ASK UR MOTHER WHY IT IS SHE CUDDLES U WITH ONE HAND AND BACK HAND SLAPS U WITH THE OTHER.
THEN U WILL KNOW THE ANSWERS.

You didnt answered my question.Did Jesus know how to read?

When Jesus could make sentences like it is written man cannot live by bread alone or in luke 14: 16
"He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read

hi horus aka ape + other apes

has your great grand parents (apes) being able to read at all?
where is are thier documents about how and why they lived?
dont give us the post darwin trash on evolution
answer the above question then we will know who is wagging thier tails

@ horus,

You assumed that Jesus was uneducated Youngman and could not have read or written anything?

Yea, but with God, nothing is impossible.  I know that education started one day and someone must have pioneered it.  So, who educated the first person that initiated it?  Don’t you think the person must have been an illiterate and could not have known how to read and write? 

Please, let us be.  You cannot change Christianity.

@PLC

Yea, but with God, nothing is impossible.

But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!!

@luvus

hi horus aka ape + other apes
has your great grand parents (apes) being able to read at all?

Blasphemy!!! Didn't you know God created horus in HIS OWN IMAGE? Genesis 1:27

@stillwater

"He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read

What really did He read? If He could read, it's logical He could write. Why is there no single word written by Him in the Bible?

@PLC

Yea, but with God, nothing is impossible.

But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!! JG 1:19

Please, let us be. You cannot change Christianity.

I don't think the intention here is to change Christianity.
Rather it's to plead with you first to be “open to reason” (James 3:17 RSV); once you become reasonable, we should then “reason together” (Isaiah 1:18) because “he who hates correction will die” (Proverbs 15:10)

@Alphazee,

I don't think the intention here is to change Christianity.
Rather it's to plead with you first to be “open to reason” (James 3:17 RSV); once you become reasonable, we should then “reason together” (Isaiah 1:18) because “he who hates correction will die” (Proverbs 15:10)

Did you say “Open to reason”? And you can quote bible passages to justify what you don’t understand? Listen, you cannot reason logically until you thoroughly and deeply believe in what you ignorantly condemn.

So, getting submerged in a soup of negativism in what you have no knowledge, is a self-perpetuating behavior that leads to depression and more confusion.

"Listen, you cannot reason logically until you thoroughly and deeply believe in what you ignorantly condemn"

I'm not sure I really understand this statement. Are you saying that to reason logically you must first totally accept what you don't understand? If you totally accept a theory then why is there reason to ask any question at all about the theory. Isn't it the logical questioning of details you don't understand that can lead to a better understanding and acceptance of a theory.?

Would love if you can clarify the statement above.

@4Him;

Matthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

What an Impartial God!

Matthew 15:24
21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."


Do the DOGS read these verses of the Bible or are they just content WAGGING their tails while awaiting the elusive Bread RESERVED for the Daughters (and Sons?) of Isreal? Or will the CRUMBS suffice?

Please start BARKING!
Funny; will never see dogs and bread together again in the same light

@therationa
You forgot to quote MANY other passages. Like these two ->

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all things (including therationa, whether he knows it or not) to myself" (Jn 12:32)

". . . I have other sheep that are not of this fold (therationa included). I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice." John 10:11-18

Imhotep, you are asking of too much to assume that hypocrites like alphazee and therationalist would see those verses you quote.

Two of the most important criteria to ferreting out errors in the bible is to:
a. quote verses out of context
b. pretend not to see other verses that defeat the claims of contradictions

My friend, please defend the contradiction in the Bible. If I were put in the same position, as concerning the Al Qur'an, I will defend it by a simple verse concerning abrogation: Al Rahman says in HisBook, that He abrogates a verse by another verse.

So as it comes to the law of retaliation; equality is prescribed, if you wish to retaliate because of pain, or take financial compensation instead or just the best way is to forgive, without the first two ways. Come to think of it, the state of california sued O. J. Simpson for the possibilty of double murder, wich he won by the famous late Attorney Johnnie Cochran's if it does not fit, you must acquit. But the Goldman family sued civilly and won monetary damages of close to 30 Million USD. Even the USA, a non Is'lamic society recognises the merit of Is'lamic justice.

But just to not tell us how two completely opposing sections of the Bible are from Jesus will definitely tell us that one section is wrong, but definitely, the two can not be wrong. And in fairness to Isa bin Mariam, His Lord will not allow him to make two conflicting statements, and will not allow him to forget or err.

I want you to explain it or at least attempt to do it.

@Therationa: I will take it that any contradiction is not from Jesus, but from the Bible writers, alone. Jesus was a man of God, a messenger and a true prophet. A prophet of Is'lam, he was (as).

I'm not sure I really understand this statement. Are you saying that to reason logically you must first totally accept what you don't understand? If you totally accept a theory then why is there reason to ask any question at all about the theory. Isn't it the logical questioning of details you don't understand that can lead to a better understanding and acceptance of a theory.?

Would love if you can clarify the statement above

You want explanation?

Did you see that Alphazee does not believe anything in the bible?  The same person quoted some passages in the same bible she does not believe to justify her position.  Why believing some portions without corresponding faith of the whole and yet she want us to open to reason?

PLC:

You want explanation?

Did you see that Alphazee does not believe anything in the bible? The same person quoted some passages in the same bible she does not believe to justify her position. Why believing some portions without corresponding faith of the whole and yet she want us to open to reason?

Now, this is breathtaking. She quote the bible passages not to shows she believes in the bible bUT to demonstrate the contradictions and inconsistencies in the bible. Just like you might refer to the ko'ran to show how what a pack of lies it it. Hope you get it.

@PLC

The same person quoted some passages in the same bible she does not believe to justify her position.

therationa has already spoken my mind

Now, this is breathtaking. She quote the bible passages not to shows she believes in the bible bUT to demonstrate the contradictions and inconsistencies in the bible.

These are some of my quotes:
To your atatement "but with God, nothing is impossible", I only pointed out where your Bible said otherwise:

.
But your Bible says a tag team made up of God and Judah could not defeat some lowly creatures because those creatures had SUPERIOR FIRE POWER!! JG 1:19

When luvus refered to horus and others as apes,

hi horus aka ape + other apes
has your great grand parents (apes) being able to read at all?

, I only pointed out to him what his own bible said: that horus (and the other apes) are carbon copies of the Biblical God. My quote:

Blasphemy!!! Didn't you know God created horus in HIS OWN IMAGE? Genesis 1:27

But while reacting to my post, I noticed that you tactically dodged my reference to JG 1:19