floriana:

@C Ronaldo

I am amazed that you are labouring so hard to justify your slavery to men. You voluntarily submitted yourself to these men to follow and serve them. No problem. Your servitude has is more honourable than the one that our forefathers were subjected to in the sugar cane plantations of the carribean, for yours is voluntary. You therefore have every right to carry on without trying to convince the rest of us who are sane as to the hows and whys.

Now to your "testimonies". I have to be charitable and say they are completely pedestrian and banal. They can be summarised as follows:

1. Change in academic fortune
2. Purchase of four tokunbo cars
3. Visiting of the five continents (heaven inclusive)
4. Writing a book

I know of a Yahoo Yahoo boy in my neighbourhood whose testimonies resembles what you have just told us. In the last three years he has doubled all your so called achievements. Was it Pastor Oledepo (thief plenty) that made it possible for him too? I was expecting you to give testimonies that are truly inspiring and spiritually uplifting. But all you have to offer are fleshly and common place. Please get a life.

Thank you Mr. Floriana, you have won and may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ continue to abound with you and your household (AMEN). PEACE.

C_Ronaldo:


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inspiration. I then graduated with First Class and as the overall best student in one of the topmost Federal University in Nigeria.  Following that I was awarded a very competitive scholarship [/b]for my MSc in UK when the university had already informed me that I was not successful, I switched on to the wonders on Praise as thought by Bishop Oyedepo and I miracoulosly received the award letter after the heavens had reversed the decision in my favour.

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I thought you would have [b]measured your success also by the number of people you have given schorlaships, starting with your primary school if you do not have enough money to give at other levels. That would have been obeying Christ's words to give to the poor as the way of salvation.
Maybe you should try and[b] find out how your UK university raises its scholarship funds and see how ordinary alumni make up a substantial part of it.[/b]

When someone says He/She has benefitted from following a particular MAN OF GOD, they ain't saying they worship him, but that, they 've benefitted from their teachings, doctrines or messages which has opened to them some revelational truth about living a successful life and brought meaningful improvement in areas of their lives.

We dont worship PASTORS,BISHOPS etc, we only appreciate God in their life by whom they are able to do what they do.

i would rather prefer any MAN OF GOD to confront his colleagues if he has issues with them and not do it on the pages of newspapers.

Elijah confronted king Ahab directly, Moses confronted pharaoh, samuel confronted saul, David wouldn't even dare to touch the lord's anointed with his life at stake.

Uhmmmm, knowledge.

It doesn't have to be like 'state and federal universities'. The Catholic and Methodist schools were a cut above most other schools in Nigeria in those days. And they certainly didn't charge an arm and a leg for school fees.

the funny thing is most of these new age christian leaders went to mission schools. You'd think they follow the subsidized models of those schools

I am a living proof of the result of Bishop David Oyedepo's obedience to the calling of God in his life. I have consistently stood out among my mates just by following him. My marriage is like heaven on earth filled with spiritual and material blessings just by following him

i'm confused, are you following Jesus or Oyedepo?

Q: In an interview published a few months ago, you were unflattering in your assessment of today’s church, describing it as a theatre. Why did you do this?

A: You go to the theatre for amusement or relaxation. You want to be entertained. But the Church of Jesus Christ was not designed to be a theatre where one celebrity performs and the others are just spectators. In most churches today, one lone star rises and others come to watch him perform. That is not church the way Jesus established it. The purpose of the five-fold ministry that he handed over to the apostles, prophets, evangelists and pastors is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry so that they should only come here (church) to refuel and go out to actually carry out what they have learnt. If you run a church where on Sunday, people come for service; on Monday, they come for special meeting; on Tuesday, they come for another thing; on Wednesday, they have Bible study; on Friday, they have special prayer and on Saturday, they have house fellowship, where are they going to live the life? Everything is tied around the building. You know a good church if the building does not exist and the church continues. And I’m not trying to say one church is better than another. When they mention Latter Rain Assembly, what name comes to your mind? Tunde Bakare. When they mention the Redeemed Christian Church of God, RCCG, it is Adeboye. If they say Deeper Life, it is Kumuyi. That is not church. That is superstardom.

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OMG Iorhenter,now u know I'm not letting you off that easy,gotta torment you a little ,ok some clues,we're of thesame tribe,I'm female(obviously) and was a science student ,if u figure it out pls say you have but dont address me by my real name to protect the innocent

"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true". Acts 17:11

Thank you Bro, we are not judging them we are only calling Mango = Mango, Orange = Orange, and Gmelina = Gmelina.

How do we know these?

Luke 6:43-44

44 For every tree is known by his own fruit . For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
KJV

OMG Iorhenter,now u know I'm not letting you off that easy,gotta torment you a little ,ok some clues,we're of thesame tribe,I'm female(obviously) and was a science student ,if u figure it out pls say you have but dont address me by my real name to protect the innocent

Sister I know who u are now. If am not mistaken the name is D, Tellest thou me that am right cos I knowest I am

spot on! ,I knew u could do it,how have u been?

C_Ronaldo:

Thank you Mr. Floriana, you have won and may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ continue to abound with you and your household (AMEN). PEACE.

Dear Mr Floriana(SAN),

After the honourable and unconditional surrender announced by Barrister C-Ronaldo you are hereby directed by this court of law to grant him amnesty

However, I hereby confer on you the title "supreme advocate and potentate of christian doctrines". Bow your head make i pour oil,bring your neck make i tie you mantle.

Just catching my fun folks.

jiniux:


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i would rather prefer any MAN OF GOD to confront his colleagues if he has issues with them and not do it on the pages of newspapers.

Elijah confronted king Ahab directly, Moses confronted pharaoh, samuel confronted saul, David wouldn't even dare to touch the lord's anointed with his life at stake.

Uhmmmm, knowledge.

The three cases of confrontation were done in public and not behind closed doors. Paul also confronted Peter on circumcision in public, which will be equivalent to the news media we have today.
Abeg go dust your Bible up and get some wholesome knowledge rather than buying those large print pastors' books to further add to their looting kitty.

C_Ronaldo:

Let me start by saying that all Glory belongs to our Lord Jesus Christ. It will be spiritual stupidity/ignorance to give glory to any man, pastor, evangelist,bishop,emam or whoever. The major impact that these Apostles of Faith make in the life of the people all over the world is through their teachings. For example, I learnt from Bishop David Oyedepo in 1997 how you can leave a holy life through hardworking. Talking about testimonies, I share this testimonies with all humility and with reference the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ who is the doer of great things. All glory be unto our Lord Jesus Christ who is the very source of my life, the reason for my living and the very secret of my success.  I was just an average student before I came in contact with the TEACHINGS of these Apostles of Faith and through their teachings, specifically one tape from Bishop David Oyedepo titled "I MUST WORK"  my academic destiny was turned around through the divine inspiration. I then graduated with First Class and as the overall best student in one of the topmost Federal University in Nigeria.  Following that I was awarded a very competitive scholarship for my MSc in UK when the university had already informed me that I was not successful, I switched on to the wonders on Praise as thought by Bishop Oyedepo and I miracoulosly received the award letter after the heavens had reversed the decision in my favour. When they were constructing Cannan Land, I worked there as Labourer carrying cement to earn some money in 1997 but today,still in my early 30, I have used my money to buy 3 cars with the 4th on the way (2 SUVs). I have visited 5 different continents in the last 3 years including US. Once again all glory be unto our Lord Jesus Christ for he is the doer while I'm just fortunate to be a receiver. People, I must tell you, when I was in secondary school, I never had ambition of even going into University but today, the story has changed. I contacted the truth in the word of God and the truth set me free and it will work for anybody for our God is not a respecter of person. What I have shared with you is just a fraction, I can write a book out the lord'd doing in my life.

I know you will still critize my testimonies despite the fact that you requested for it but our God is a faithful God. You may say people that don't go to church achieved similar feet but again maybe they are just brilliant but in my own case I was just an average village boy!  As many as believe in these testiminies, I advice you to key into the word, seek for the truth and God that did my own will surely do you own. As many as don't believe, may God continue to help you. It is only a fool that doubt proof. Take your destiny in your own hand! May the lord help and prosper you in all your ways. (AMEN) He is a Faithful God!

My quarrel with this new age Christianity is that it is always about me, myself and I. I am blessed and successful because i have a first class,  God has blessed me  because I have 10 cars, a helicopter and a house on Madison square while others around me live in poverty as they are less blessed. All these because i give and give more to God, or is it man of God. You will also here i am blessed because in a plane crashed i was the only survivor because i am blessed while the others are are less blessed, because i gave more tithes and offering. I just do not get it.

I do not think there had been any religion in the history of the world that has been as self centered and selfish as pentecostal Christianity.

Whao!
I will take a break now from reading these comments and come back with my comment.
Oh thou Nairaland, thy has missed thee a lot!

Q: Was that why he had to treat Nuhu Ribadu the way he did?

A: Perhaps so. They have their own allegations against Ribadu, but Ribadu as a human being could have made some mistakes. He made some efforts at bringing sanity into public sector. For once, he touched the untouchables. And for once, he displayed a level of fearlessness and fairness to the best of his ability until they found out that they needed to nip this man in the bud. They thought that at the rate at which he was going, he might jolly well become the head of state. And they did all in their power to frustrate him until he fled the country. But our loss is the international community’s gain because I don’t think Ribadu is eating from hand to mouth. He’s being consulted by those who want probity in their public life. And I am still watching and waiting to see where this tree of Ibori will fall. Whether his people are brought back to face the law here or one day, he is taken out to face the law. If the likes of Anthony Enahoro were extradited, based on an agreement between us and Britain, anything is possible. Until those daylight robbers who have stolen this nation to a bleeding point, a profusely bleeding point, are dealt with, don’t listen to anyone who says there’s a campaign against corruption. There’s campaign for corruption and they’re all benefiting from it. And that’s why legislators are now looking for immunity

Na wa oooo. wonders shall never end.

And the fruit of righteousness (TRUTH) is sown in peace of them that make peace. (James 3:18; 4:1, 11).

i dont know what d house of God is turning into. judgement is of the lord and it is stated in d bible dat God's judgement wil start in d church.

Im shocked

The Bible book of Revelation was revealed to the apostle John on the island of Patmos in the year 96 C.E. It paints vivid pictures of major events to take place in the time of the end. Of those symbolic pictures that John saw in vision, one is of a gaudy, brash harlot, called “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.” In what condition was she? “I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.”—Revelation 17:5, 6.

Whom does this woman represent? We are not left to guess her identity. By a process of elimination, she can be unmasked. In that same vision, John hears an angel say: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.” If the kings, or rulers, of the earth fornicate with her, then it means that the harlot cannot represent the ruling political elements of the world.—Revelation 17:1, 2, 18.

The same account tells us that “the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.” Therefore Babylon the Great cannot represent the business, or “merchant,” elements of the world. Yet, the inspired text says: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.” What other principal element of this world system is left that fits the description of a symbolic harlot fornicating with the political rulers, trading with business interests, and sitting in glory over the peoples, crowds, nations, and tongues? It is false religion in all its different guises!—Revelation 17:15; 18:2, 3.

This identification of Babylon the Great is confirmed by an angel’s condemnation of her for her “spiritistic practice [by which] all the nations were misled.” (Revelation 18:23) All forms of spiritism are religious and demon-inspired. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) Thus, Babylon the Great must symbolize a religious entity. Biblical evidence shows that she is Satan’s entire world empire of false religion, promoted by him in the minds of men in order to divert attention from the true God, Jehovah.—John 8:44-47; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; Revelation 21:8; 22:15.

There are common threads going right through the confused tapestry of the world’s religions. Many religions have their roots in mythology. Nearly all are tied together by some form of belief in a supposed immortal human soul that survives death and goes to a hereafter or transmigrates to another creature. Many have the common denominator of belief in a dreadful place of torment and torture called hell. Others are connected by ancient pagan beliefs in triads, trinities, and mother goddesses. Therefore, it is only appropriate that they should all be grouped together under the one composite symbol of the harlot “Babylon the Great.”—Revelation 17:5.

My girlfriend would be furious if she knows that i'm reading this.
Thank you Pastor Tunde Bakare, you have never disappointed me. The likes of C Ronaldo may deny it as much as they want to but the truth is our churches stink. Yes, they stink to the high heaven. Martin Luther (a German Catholic Priest) started his reformation because he found it difficult to accept the followings:

1. That people were being severely taxed to build the St Peter's Basilica- (your Covenant University, Redeemed University etc, )
2. The infallibility of the Pope -(your daddies can never be wrong)
3. Payment for penance -(the more you give, the more blessings you receive)
4. When you confess your sins to the priest, they are forgiven- (my pastor said, )

Martin Luther dealt the symbolic blow that began the Reformation when he nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church. That document contained an attack on papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials.
But Luther himself saw the Reformation as something far more important than a revolt against ecclesiastical abuses. He believed it was a fight for the gospel. Luther even stated that he would have happily yielded every point of dispute to the Pope, if only the Pope had affirmed the gospel.
And at the heart of the gospel, in Luther's estimation, was the doctrine of justification by faith—the teaching that Christ's own righteousness is imputed to those who believe, and on that ground alone, they are accepted by God.
That doctrine, often called the Material Principle of the Reformation, is what the apostle Paul taught as well: "To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).

These were some of the reasons why he issued his rejection of some doctrines of the then Catholic Church. He was charged with heresy and asked to recant which he rejected. He was then excommunicated.
Christendom became better for it as people were able to get copies of the bible through the printers in Gutenberg, Germany. That is why every one of us can read the Holy Bible today before then only the priests had access to the Bible.

Thank you

I have read some suggest that Pastor Tunde Bakare should be a social critic like Gani rather than be a pastor in view of his utterances. Those Christians saying that are definitely not Christ like (Christian) because going through the teachings and works of Christ it is obvious that He was a great social critic of His days and this must have led to the priests (mis)leading almost everyone to ask that Christ be killed.

pcicero:

Christendom became better for it as[b] people were able to get copies of the bible[/b] through the printers in Gutenberg, Germany. That is why every one of us can read the Holy Bible today before then only the priests had access to the Bible.

Thank you

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"
"People perish for lack of knowledge, knowledge of the Word of God"
Thanks to the internet, you can also read and search verses, phrases etc online such as [url=http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Jeremiah+9%3A+23-24&ver=kjv]here[/url]
Those who continue to be (mis)led by the charlattans masquerading as pastors only have themselves to blame for missing Christ's salvation

When will this guy ever shut up? i remember he prophesied that OBJ would die before he is sworn in as the president in 1999 and the baba actually sent him a message after he was sworn in that even if he dies now, he died as the president which indirectly means Tunde Bakare is a fake , God save this man

god bless pst. tunde bakare. i'd be praying for you pst. trust me. . . . . i've always loved you!!!!!!!!!!!

I have my respect for Pst Tunde Bakare but I hate his outbursts especially the way he castigates men of God.He has been too vocal and I think that is not too good for his person.When He left Deeper  Life and Redeem what has happened to the churches?He has no right to judge any person or church because that onus lies in the Hands of God.Ask OBJ and he will tell you Bakare is a false prophet because his prophecy that baba Iyabo will die at the inception of his regime did not come to pass.I am sure that God did not send him to make those outrageous utterances against the church and the men of God in this country nor even against our beloved president.He wants to gain cheap popularity because I don't see anything special about him. i wonder what he is teaching the members of his church.REBELLION! !!.I think he is gradually drifting into apostasy.May God have mercy on him because if he continues this way he may incur the wrath of God.

nikky5:

I think he is gradually drifting into apostasy.May God have mercy on him because if he continues this way he may incur the wrath of God.

Maybe if you wish and pray hard enough, the Heavenly Punisher will fullfill your dreams and flog or kill the heretic renegade pastor, as your lordship pleases.

If that plan fails, I would try needling a voodoo doll since they are cheap to make and can be molested in the privacy of your own room.  Hey, its worth a try.  What the phuck.

radiation:

When will this guy ever shut up? i remember he prophesied that OBJ would die before he is sworn in as the president in 1999 and the baba actually sent him a message after he was sworn in that even if he dies now, he died as the president which indirectly means Tunde Bakare is a fake , God save this man

moses annointed other sons of Jesse before finally annointing David- maybe he was a fake prophet too.

There are common threads going right through the confused tapestry of the world’s religions. Many religions have their roots in mythology. Nearly all are tied together by some form of belief in a supposed immortal human soul that survives death and goes to a hereafter or transmigrates to another creature. Many have the common denominator of belief in a dreadful place of torment and torture called hell. Others are connected by ancient pagan beliefs in triads, trinities, and mother goddesses. Therefore, it is only appropriate that they should all be grouped together under the one composite symbol of the harlot “Babylon the Great.”—Revelation 17:5.

You have well spoken, HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR.

It will supprise you to know that some persons arguing don't have an accurate knowledge of the Bible. The only sound knowledge they have is that which comes from their Papas through their books. Todays christianity is all about serving God and Being Rich, even if it is at the expense of the poor masses. Who cares! afterall PAPA said I will be Blessed. Christians, are we really Christ-like?

I have also gone to check the Bible to see the things Jesus did in the church when he was on Earth. He went as far as paying taxes to caesar but there is no record of him paying TITHE any where in the Bible. Maybe I didn't search well, if any body has a clue to that, please let me know.

iorhenter:

You have well spoken, HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR.

It will supprise you to know that some persons arguing don't have an accurate knowledge of the Bible. The only sound knowledge they have is that which comes from their Papas through their books. Todays christianity is all about serving God and Being Rich, even if it is at the expense of the poor masses. Who cares! afterall PAPA said I will be Blessed. Christians, are we really Christ-like?

I have also gone to check the Bible to see the things Jesus did in the church when he was on Earth. He went as far as paying taxes to caesar but there is no record of him paying TITHE any where in the Bible. Maybe I didn't search well, if any body has a clue to that, please let me know.

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And the fruit of righteousness (TRUTH) is sown in peace of them that make peace. (James 3:18; 4:1, 11).

pcicero:

My girlfriend would be furious if she knows that i'm reading this.
Thank you Pastor Tunde Bakare, you have never disappointed me. The likes of C Ronaldo may deny it as much as they want to but the truth is our churches stink. Yes, they stink to the high heaven. Martin Luther (a German Catholic Priest) started his reformation because he found it difficult to accept the followings:

1. That people were being severely taxed to build the St Peter's Basilica- (your Covenant University, Redeemed University etc, )
2. The infallibility of the Pope -(your daddies can never be wrong)
3. Payment for penance -(the more you give, the more blessings you receive)
4. When you confess your sins to the priest, they are forgiven- (my pastor said, )

Martin Luther dealt the symbolic blow that began the Reformation when he nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the door of the Wittenberg Church. That document contained an attack on papal abuses and the sale of indulgences by church officials.
But Luther himself saw the Reformation as something far more important than a revolt against ecclesiastical abuses. He believed it was a fight for the gospel. Luther even stated that he would have happily yielded every point of dispute to the Pope, if only the Pope had affirmed the gospel.
And at the heart of the gospel, in Luther's estimation, was the doctrine of justification by faith—the teaching that Christ's own righteousness is imputed to those who believe, and on that ground alone, they are accepted by God.
That doctrine, often called the Material Principle of the Reformation, is what the apostle Paul taught as well: "To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).

These were some of the reasons why he issued his rejection of some doctrines of the then Catholic Church. He was charged with heresy and asked to recant which he rejected. He was then excommunicated.
Christendom became better for it as people were able to get copies of the bible through the printers in Gutenberg, Germany. That is why every one of us can read the Holy Bible today before then only the priests had access to the Bible.

Thank you

Bros this is deep and insightful, i have made my thought known about these issues earlier on. something is definitely wrong with our church system, i keep praying for them but some things are just wrong and i can feel it in my spirit being.

radiation:

When will this guy ever shut up? i remember he prophesied that OBJ would die before he is sworn in as the president in 1999 and the baba actually sent him a message after he was sworn in that even if he dies now, he died as the president which indirectly means Tunde Bakare is a fake , God save this man

He will never shut up!!! ,we need more of him and your assertions are off topic,whatever happened concerning OBJ wont take me to heaven and nobody is saying he cant make mistakes. He has raised serious questions about how we practise pentecostal christianity in Nigeria, kindly address those issues.

I agree with most of what Tunde Bakare said but not all. It really irritates me, when I hear people refer to their 'G.O's' as 'Daddy', when did that start?

@ anonimi, it is Samuel dat anointed David only with d exception of the oda sons of Jesse.