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What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by naijaguru(m): 8:06pm On Feb 22, 2006
Hello,

I got a letter today from someone trying to tell me who Yorubas are and what Ifa is. What I can deduce from the content below is simple another motive to link the Yorubas to Isreal, and honestly I don't know why some people love doing that.

They rely on what is called folk etymology to proof their points. But the problem is how real is this? Cant I euphonise / link any word in Yoruba with any word from any tribe to claim that Yorubas are from there. I am sincerly at loss here. Historically and geographically, I don't see how Yorubas once lived in isreal and came down here. My premises may be stupid tho

- If Yorubas once lived in the middle east then came down to sub sahran africa, then we should have better ancient technologies like ships and towers that looked like those of the middle east. They should be more mechanised, at least they must have crossed the ocean in some ships. They must have built the tower of babel and other temples with the isrealites. Why is our dress sense different?

- If Yorubas once lived in the middle east, then our language should be very very identical with those of the middle east and not these little little folk etymologies people try to use as proofs.

- If Yorubas once lived in the middle east, then there should be documentation for our activities there. We should also have a written langauge, or a writting symbol, like the isrealites. At least at the time of Isiah, where the writer says Yorubas where worshipping baal and where Yerubaal, there were written languages in the middle east, why didnt the Yorubas bring that aong with them?

- If the writer knows what IFA really is, because it appears that the writer have no knowledge of what IFA is and compares it with what he calls Idols, then he would know that the Yorubas were a set of people living within an enclosed geographical area, developing their own philosophies and technologies. They developed geomantics, ethics, mathematics and others in spite of their enclosure.

That is the little I have to say, while I think more about this and read more. I hope others have more to say.




What you don't know about Ifah and the Yorubas.
Alafia to you my brother in the name of The God of our ancestors who filled this world with their beautiful descendants.

Let me start by saying, your article in Nairaland is quite elaborating and interesting. But you miss the real essence of the history of the Yoruba People.

First thing you must understand is that the true religion of the Yorubas is not IFah or shango or those idolic religion.

The Yoruba language is excellent in what is called "euphony." Euphony is a method by which one makes a phonetic change to make a word or phrase more pleasant to hear or pronounce.

The name Yoruba can be traced to Gideon in the bible

Jud 6:32 Therefore on that day he called him Jerubbaal, saying, Let Baal plead against him, because he hath thrown down his altar.

You should know that everyname with J is the same as as Y before europeanisation started.
Yerubaal which means "people who conted against baal" This was euphonised to
Yorubaa by changing o for u.
Yoruba is a shortened form. Yorubaa is the complete righting according to the pronounication. We are suppose to destroy and not worshiped baal god of thunder or shango, but today, history has been corrupted and we are the fore runners of baal: Yoruba ronu!


WHO ARE THE YORUBAS? WHERE DID THEY CAME FROM? WHAT HAVE THEY CONTRIBUTED TO UNIVERSAL KNOWLEDGE?


There is a race in the bible called the Israelites who are the chosen people of God in the bible. Do you know the relationship between Yoruba and Israelites? Do you know that all the southern part of Nigeria are Yorubas not just a tribe?

Jacob was named Israel because he contend with God.
"the one who contend with God".
el is the, not the name of God as many Europeans do today, the name of God is -ah as in Isai-ah, Obadi-ah. Contend is "Yeru"
"the one who contend with God".= el-ah-Yeru, calling from right to left is Yeruahel
or Yeruah which again can be euphonised to Yoruba by changing e for o and introducing b. So much striking resemblance, you'll say.

To properly understand the African history you must know that there are two phases to African history:

COSMOS: related to heaven and creations
POLITICAL: just huan nabd natural

Most of political history were cosmotize to elevate the history of the characters. The history of Egyptians, and other characters like osiris, amon-ra were political history that was cosmoti-ze by our ancestors.

African have a practice which has been and still in existence today. They turned legends and people with extraordinary characters to gods and goddess and linked the creation of mankind to this their leaders.

The hieroglyphics the europeans are currently believing to be the ancient african history and their gods are all fake. They are political story made god.

Sphinx is a monument for a great Yoruba hunter who is worthy enough to kill a lion. Find a sphinx and look carefully at the small knot on their head. This is a small calabash, ado, with concortion inside or just for design. The cap is the fila ode bigger in size to abeti aja.

Please follow carefully,
Abram was changed to Abraham after he chose to worship the only true God of Heaven, Eledumare when, Nimrod(Englis) or Namrud(Arabic and Jew)- Lamurudu. Though Nimrod was not mentioned during the life of abraham but if you do a year counting of the bible, you will see Nimrod was present and also from the book of Jasher mentioned in Joshua 10:13

Complete Abraham biblical story:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/11.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/12.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/13.htm


God then told him to go to a new land that HE would show him, a land flowing with milk and honey, the best of all land on earth (Ezekiel 20:6). Then his father hackened to him because of much threat from Nimrod and Terah took all his house hold and began the journey to the fertile land Gen 11:31 There the kingdom was established by his descendant. He had a chosen son, Isaac whom he loved with all his heart. Then he gave birth to other 6 children to make  a total of 8.

Gen 25:1   Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.
Gen 25:12 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah.


I don't know if you can read in between line.

This is the original history of The Black Pantheon Oduduwa!. Lamurudu was not the father of Oduduwa but his godfather. Odua father is the topmost general in Lamurudu empire and was the closest to him, so he was the godfather but Nimrod hated Odua because on the day Odua was born, they saw a star that swallowed other 4 stars which described future conqured of Odua on Nimrod and his pagan children. He lived around the 3rd Millenium after the flood, a grandson of Noah: omoluabi-omo-Nua-bi: Son of Noah.

Oduduwa had 8 cildren, Okanbi was the best son he liked and some history claimed that Okanbi was the original heir of Oduduwa just as Isaac was the sole heir of Abrahm.

Do you know that Odu is encoded in Abram and Oduduwa in Abraham.

The European named him Abram but they Jewish named him Avram. Both euphonize the original name.
AVRAM :Replace or euphonise V with D :We have
ADRAM :From this we have Adra which was euphonise to Adram

"dur" in ancient cannanite or arabic means supplication as Ya' dura in Arabic means supplication to Ya or god.

Futher euphony will give us :ADURA or simply ADUA

The name of God is not YHWH it is AO or AH. A and O are interchangable in deciphering cananite language,

Thus we have Odua or Adua which means "supplication to God"
This is the original name of The Black Pantheon.

For the Later name:
ABRAHAM (European)
AVRAHAM (Jewish) :Can be euphonise to
AVRAVAM :Same as
AVRAVA :Avravam was euphonise from Avrava :Replace V with D again:We have
ADRADA :This can be euphonise to :ADURADUA

Which finally gives
ADUDUWA or ODUDUWA [AO]

Oduduwa is not the founder of Ifah. He was the first christian on earth! He was first to revolt against ifah and sorceries and followed Eledumare who required no symbol for HIS worship. Much has been done to misinterprete the original Oduduwa, the friend of Eledumare fathers of the black nation.

Obatala and some other gods are those angels that left their estate mentioned in Jude 1:6 and as Nephilims in Genesis. It was them that thought wickedness to mankind but Oduduwa vowed never to worsip other god except The God of Heaven. He and his wife father: Oduduwa brother was thrown into fire by Lamurudu the wicked mighty hunter but, Oduduwa survive and his brother died because his heart was not straight with Eledumare.

Oduduwa was tested to offer his only begotten son, Okanbi. This was a test by Eledumare to see if a man can sacrifice his son to HIM which made Eledumare to send HIS Son, Ela for redemption of mankind.

After Oduduwa passed the test. God told him the reason for everything and what would happen to his descendant till the time The Son of Eledumare will be sent for redemtion of his descendant. He came as Son of Moremi but they did not listen to Him and called Him "Omo gbenagbena".

There are two history of Moremi/Ela both political and cosmos. The political Moremi of Ife(linked with esinminrin around 17th century) was named after a legendary woman Moremi, who sacrificed her son for the sin of mankind then was named Iya Gbogbo- just like Mother of God Virgin Mary.

Only the Savior born mysteriously by Moremi can claim Mesiah.
the=el, God=ah, Son-Mesi
the son of God 

-el ah Mesi

from right to left is Mesiahel, shortened form Mesiah

From left to right ElahMesi shortened form Elah.

When He came, He warned them of an impending danger and doom that will soon come on mankind. He warned them to remove all the idols in their land and worship Eledumare with their heart: "Eledumare ti ogbo'wo, ti ogbo'bi, inu rere lo fe"
He told them this is doom is the one prophesied by true prophets of Eledumare whom they have killed and replaced with ifa and opele babalawo. Then there was sacrificed of human beings, worship of ogun (baal), worship of orishas.

They did not listen to Him and instead killed Him but rose again. Then we were told Ela ascended to heaven using grass. After He left, the doom came and mankind especially the Yorubas was hated by all nations as prophesied according to oracle of Joel/?, Isaiah/? and others.

Then they began to sing and begged Ela to come back and save them as our ancestor realised that He was The True Son of Eledumare. (Come to Cocoa house and see the inscription of Ela and Moremi on the wall)

Ela omo bibi agboniregun
:
:
Ela ro wa

But,

Epa o boro mo, aso o bo moye mo, omo ye ti rin wowo woja. The blacks were hated by all other country as they came in turn to steal our heritage.

The middle east were the first to invade the sub-sahara Africa. The King Solomon Temple, Jerusalem, Zion are places in the present Nigeria before when black was still ruling because they knew they were chosen of Eledumare according to Oduduwa convenant, they became spoiled brat and worshiped  god of woods which Isaiah prophecied we will still be worshiping till today.

The middle east and asia stole the leniage of our ancestors, destroyed our buildings and took away everything to their land where they reestablished town places according to our own land to delude the world that they are the chosen nation.

After the middle east then the european was fooled to think middle east was the home of everything, when they land the truth, the invaded Africa and destroy everything followed by the France and other white nation.

You need to read the 15 prophetic books from Jeremia to Malachi to know more about your ancestors, their sins and folly, and the future reformation of house of Oduduwa.

Mesiah The Son of Eledumare prophecied according to the present bible in Mathew 24, that none of the stone will be left undestroyed because of the impending doom. They destroyed everything to destroy the link to the original chosen people.

Some european learnt the truth and they came back to africa to teach the original son and daughters of Eledumare English and our lost heritage rewritten into the bible. They understood that it was The God of our ancestor that allowed us to be afflicted so that  we can be strong at the end time to fulfil our destiny for IT IS US THAT ARE THE ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, A PECULIAR PEOPLE, A CHOSEN GENERATION OUT OF ALL THE NATION OF EARTH (1 Peter 2:9, Deu 7:6) It is not the born agains or pastors. It is us!

So they(Mary slessors and the missionaries after learning the truth) endured everything to teach us English and our lost religion Christianity for our ancestors knew Mesiah was to come since the day of old. Some believe Him but other scorned him.

Isaiah 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Hosea prophecied that one day we will be reunited after 2000 years of affliction.
This 2000 is about to complete, the time of the gentiles is about to end. The early desciples of Mesiah thought it would be their time (Act 1:4), but it is now!

Luke 21:24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Hosea 6:2 After two days will he revive us: on the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live before him.

Two days is 2000 prophetic years.

We are the one, brother:
Isaiah 42:20Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

Isaiah 42:21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Isaiah 42:22But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

Isaiah 42:23Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?

Isaiah 42:24Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.

Isaiah 42:25Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.


EDEN
Eden has not been in existence since day 1. We lost the garden when our first ancestor fell. The Garden of The Lord was first later used in Gen 10:13 when Lot described Jordan, the richest on earth as The Garden of The Lord. This land was given to Reubenites, Gadites and half of Manaseh in Joshua 1:11.

Jordan is the richest land on earth which is the Niger-Delta region of Nigeria. We are all brothers and siters of the same father and mother both Ibos and the Yorubas. It was the northerners that sold us to the middle east and to the eurpeans.

The Ibos, Delta and Edos are reubenites, gadites and manaseh, Yoruba shared the rest of the family of Jacob with our other grand brothers accross the sub-sahara Africa in Ghana, etc.

Let me stop here for now,

I live the rest to you.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by LADUNDE(f): 1:46am On Jun 10, 2007
I tire o.d writer jus mumbld up some facts 2 arrive at a conclusion.ds is wat i would call wuruwuru 2 d ans
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by adomidoben: 1:24am On Aug 04, 2007
I believe that the writer must have studied comparative religion. He could have used his knowlege best by educating us the more. The piece is more confusing. There have been all these postulations here and there that YORUBA or IGBO migrated from middle east! How come. The yorubas will tell you that their cradle is Ile Ife - Good there is no doubt about this. Please, intelligent people in the house, what resemblance do Ile Ife People have with the Arabs or the Isrealis. These people in the middle east are light skin more or less white, coily long hair, long nose,etc. The chief of their food are bread and meat. TYheir occupation then was cattle rearing and farming. If actually they flee from middle east to a location in Nigeria, they could have best settle at the northern part of the Nigeria where the climate and vegetation resemble where they were alleged to have migrated from. Likewise, the theory surrounding IGBO as lost tribe of Isreal.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by jagunlabi(m): 3:32pm On Aug 04, 2007
Pure postulations and conjectures.The yoruba ancestors were not literate so they did not chronicle their origin with written texts that can be referred to.So we will never know where the yorubas or the ibos come from.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by ilosiwaju: 4:27pm On Jun 26, 2009
bingo!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by tpiah: 5:25pm On Jun 26, 2009
so long a story.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by Aremugangan(m): 7:55pm On Jun 26, 2009
@naijaguru: i rily aprc8 ur concern. U c, yl som of d yorubas kno deir origin, som dnt yl odas re indifferent. If u av vast knowledge abt d Qur'an, ol dis ll nt b new. Infact i nid mor of his article 2widen my knowledge abt lyf. Eva 1da y e did nt quote d Qur'an? E knos e'l b cald 2panel. If only d xtians kno, dis is an insult of d highest order 2deir precious bk. Lt d comparative religion stdnts n gurus dabble in2 d Qur'an lyk d@ n c if dey ll nt c d fact. Y nt simply rid his article again n lk @ d guy wt dis quote "d mor u kno, d mor u kno u dnt kno" whomeva Allah guides is rightly guided n whomeva E misleads, U kno w@ d@ min. Safe!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by tpiah: 8:48pm On Jun 26, 2009
what language is this?
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by Aremugangan(m): 10:05pm On Jun 26, 2009
@tpiah: its d lang of d maturd n d rightly guided. Dnt wori, u'l liv 2undstnd it wen u gt maturd. Safe!!!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by PastorAIO: 10:00am On Jun 27, 2009
The claim that Oduduwa and lamurudu came from Mecca for instance, this is obviously a conceit born from the psychological complex towards Islamic religion. Similar to Ijebu people claiming that they were the Jebusites in the bible. Our history is obviously constantly being tampered with. Have you heard that Oduduwa was in actual fact a woman. I find that very credible. There are many references to women ruling yoruba land very early in it's history. There are many societies in which royal succession was matrilinear and Yoruba show many signs of having that in it's history. Patriarchy seems very new to the land. Especially when we consider the kind of power that was wielded by the Iyalodes traditionally.

I think that Mowire's mention of[b] a commission to find out the connection between Ela and Jesus could be yet another manifestation of that complex that led people to state that Oduduwa came from Mecca. Obviously there is a complex towards christianity now and so some people are trying to contrive a connection with christianity. [/b]I have no doubt that the research they will do will be extremely dubious to say the least, yet if they get the pr right their conclusion might eventually become an accepted fact.


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-48078.128.html#msg3944308
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by tpiah: 4:08pm On Jun 27, 2009
Aremugangan:

@tpiah: its d lang of d maturd n d rightly guided. Dnt wori, u'l liv 2undstnd it wen u gt maturd. Safe!!!

do you mean matured or confused.

Thank God I dont have to understand such gibberish.

Sorry!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by PastorAIO: 4:18pm On Jun 27, 2009
I think it is people who browse the net from their mobile phones that use such shorthand when they post messages. It takes a little getting used to but then it becomes easy to read. It is nothing to get all bothered and confrontational about.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by tpiah: 5:12pm On Jun 27, 2009
plenty of people browse from their phones but still type more or less legibly.

you're the one getting bothered so far.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by PastorAIO: 6:57pm On Jun 27, 2009
Sorry o! I was just trying to be helpful
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by tpiah: 3:57am On Jun 28, 2009
Pastor AIO:

Sorry o! I was just trying to be helpful



indeed!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by Tomolu: 9:04am On Mar 17, 2013
Thes theme is getting revelation to it.First mein personal confession my mother side is of yoruba descendent.I prayed and fasted many days dry and one day the allmighty Yah reavealed to me 1. That 1/4 th of the yoruba(FAMILY) that mixed with the 3/4th of the once becoming Yoruba were actually from the land samariah which is the family of Joseph and are Ephrahim and Mannasha people. Spiritual experiance # 2 My spirit came out of my body Downward and they wanted to push me into the lava(fire)POOL AND i saw a gate and in these room i saw like staues from Dog god and lion god in the egyptian underworld and along the end of the room i saw the terbanacle of moses and i said no in the spirit that i will not burn in the Lava pool and i did not die and resumed to my bodyand i started praying.Another thing i see was cat demons that i had to do spiritual warfaäre with.But in themighty name of Jesus christ or (Yahawshawa Maschaiyak) did i conqer the evil.
#3 I saw that oure people were also brought down as slave and the naigbor of those living in benin were canibals. #4 What coclusion and help can those vison make historically ? -First we must understand the beblical hebrew was changed by Masoerits from family ben asher and ben naphtali from 100 Ad- 700 AD: which is known as the masoerts. And do not confused with the Benai Ephrahim that came much more later in the history of the yoruba because these is the 2nd or 3rd group that came to us.#5 A:Lets see some things called generational curse according to Deutoronomy 28 it said that i will bring you with ships to egypt and you will see no more these can mean spiritually like adam and eve and as well physically.+ the curse also stated you will worship other gods and you will be brought into all the kingdoms as the world. B:We see in these vision cats gods and dog gods of the underworld. The cat godess Bastet or better these god Aker (god)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Aker in hieroglyphs


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Aker
In Egyptian mythology, Aker (also spelt Akar) was one of the earliest gods worshipped, and was the deification of the horizon. There are strong indications that Aker was worshipped before other known Egyptian gods of the earth, such as Geb.[citation needed] Aker itself means (one who) curves because it was perceived that the horizon bends all around us. The Pyramid texts make an assertive statement that the Akeru (= 'those of the horizon', from the plural of aker) will not seize the pharaoh, stressing the power of the Egyptian pharaoh over the surrounding non-Egyptian peoples.
As the horizon, Aker was also seen as symbolic of the borders between each day, and so was originally depicted as a narrow strip of land (i.e. a horizon), with heads on either side, facing away from one another, a symbol of borders. These heads were usually those of lions. Over time, the heads became full figures of lions (still facing away from each other), one representing the concept of yesterday (Sef in Egyptian), and the other the concept of tomorrow (Duau in Egyptian).[2]
Consequently, Aker often became referred to as Ruti, the Egyptian word meaning two lions. Between them would often appear the hieroglyph for horizon, which was the sun's disc placed between two mountains. Sometimes the lions were depicted as being covered with leopard-like spots, leading some to think it a depiction of the extinct Barbary lion, which, unlike African species, had a spotted coat.
Since the horizon was where night became day, Aker was said to guard the entrance and exit to the underworld, opening them for the sun to pass through during the night. As the guard, it was said that the dead had to request Aker to open the underworld's gates, so that they might enter. Also, as all who had died had to pass Aker, it was said that Aker annulled the causes of death, such as extracting the poison from any snakes that had bitten the deceased, or from any scorpions that had stung them.
As the Egyptians believed that the gates of the morning and evening were guarded by Aker, they sometimes placed twin statues of lions at the doors of their palaces and tombs. This was to guard the households and tombs from evil spirits and other malevolent beings. This practice was adopted by the Greeks and Romans, and is still unknowingly followed by some today. Unlike most of the other Egyptian deities, the worship of Aker remained popular well into the Greco-Roman era. Aker had no temples of his own like the main gods in the Egyptian religion, since he was more connected to the primeval concepts of the very old earth powers.

B: The secound god is Anubis was associated with the mummification and protection of the dead for their journey into the afterlife. He was usually portrayed as a half human, half jackal, or in full jackal form wearing a ribbon and holding a flail in the crook of its arm.[8] The jackal was strongly associated with cemeteries in ancient Egypt, since it was a scavenger which threatened to uncover human bodies and eat their flesh.[9] The distinctive black color of Anubis "did not have to do with the jackal [per se] but with the color of rotting flesh and with the black soil of the Nile valley, symbolizing rebirth."[9]
Anubis is depicted in funerary contexts where he is shown attending to the mummies of the deceased or sitting atop a tomb protecting it. In fact, during embalming, the "head embalmer" wore an Anubis costume. The critical weighing of the heart scene in the Book of the Dead also shows Anubis performing the measurement that determined the worthiness of the deceased to enter the realm of the dead (the underworld, known as Duat). New Kingdom tomb-seals also depict Anubis sitting atop the nine bows that symbolize his domination over the enemies of Egypt.


C: Were their the lost isralites in Egypt ? Read 2 Macabees Kapitel 1

1 Die Brüder, die Juden, die in Jerusalem und in das Land Judäa zu sein, möchten den Brüdern, den Juden, die in ganz Ägypten Gesundheit und Frieden sind:

2 Gott sei dir gnädig, und erinnere mich an seinen Bund, dass er mit Abraham, Isaak und Jakob, seine treuen Diener gemacht;

3 Und Ihnen alle ein Herz, ihm zu dienen und seinen Willen zu tun, mit einer guten Mut und einen willigen Sinn;

4 Und öffnet eure Herzen in seinem Gesetz und die Gebote und senden Ihnen Frieden,

5 Und hören eure Gebete, und eins mit dir sein, und nie verlassen Sie in der Zeit von Schwierigkeiten.

6 Und jetzt haben wir hier für euch zu beten.

7 Welche Zeit als Demetrius regierte, in der sechshundert und neunten Jahr haben wir die Juden schrieb euch in der äußersten Not, die uns in diesen Jahren kam, aus der Zeit, dass Jason und seine Firma aus dem Heiligen Land und Reich auflehnte,

8 Und brannte die Veranda, und unschuldiges Blut vergossen: dann betete zum Herrn, und zu hören waren; boten wir auch Opfer und Feinmehl und zündete die Lampen, und legte die Brote.

9 Und nun sehen, dass ihr das Laubhüttenfest zu halten im Monat Casleu.

10 In den hundert achtzig und acht Jahre, die Menschen, die in Jerusalem und in Judäa waren, und dem Rat, und Judas, geschickt Gruß und Gesundheit zu Aristobul, König Ptolemäus 'Meister, der den Bestand der gesalbten Priester war, und die Juden, die in Ägypten waren:

11 so sehr, wie Gott uns hat vom großen Gefahren ausgeliefert, danken wir ihm hoch, als im Kampf gegen einen König gewesen.

12 Denn er warf sie darauf hin, dass in der heiligen Stadt gekämpft.

13 Denn wenn der Führer war in Persien kommen, und die Armee mit ihm, die unbesiegbar schien, wurden sie in den Tempel Nanea durch den Betrug der Nanea die Priester erschlagen.

14 Für Antiochus, als wollte er sie heiraten, kam in den Ort, und seine Freunde, die mit ihm waren, um Geld im Namen der Mitgift erhalten.

15 , die, wenn die Priester Nanea hatte festgeschrieben, und er wurde mit einer kleinen Firma in den Kompass des Tempel betrat, schloß sie in den Tempel, sobald Antiochus in gekommen war:

16 Und die Eröffnung eines geheimen Tür des Daches, warfen sie Steine ​​wie Blitze, und schlug der Kapitän, hieb sie in Stücke, schlug ihnen die Köpfe ab und warfen sie zu denen, die ohne waren.

17 Selig unser Gott in allen Dingen, die die Gottlosen hat geliefert werden.

18 Deshalb, während wir jetzt vorgesetzt, um die Reinigung des Tempels auf dem fünf und zwanzigsten Tag des Monats Casleu halten, dachten wir, es notwendig, um Sie davon bescheinigt, dass auch ihr könnte es zu halten, als das Fest der Laubhütten, und das Feuer, das uns gegeben wurde, als Neemias opferte, danach hatte er den Tempel und den Altar gebaut.

19 Denn wenn unsere Väter nach Persien geführt wurden, nahmen die Priester, die dann frommer waren die Feuer vom Altar heimlich, und versteckte es in einer Höhlung der Grube ohne Wasser, wo sie hielt es sicher, so dass der Ort unbekannt war alle Menschen.

20 Nun, nach vielen Jahren, als es Gott gefiel, Neemias, aus dem König von Persien geschickt, schickte der Nachkommenschaft jener Priester, die sie verbarg, um das Feuer hatte: aber wenn sie uns gesagt, fanden sie kein Feuer, aber dick Wasser ;

21 Dann befahl er ihnen zu erarbeiten, und sie bringen, und wenn die Opfer gelegt wurden, befahl Neemias die Priester um das Holz zu streuen und die Dinge gelegt daraufhin mit dem Wasser.

22 Als dies geschehen war, und die Zeit kam, dass die Sonne strahlte, welche zuvor in der Wolke versteckt, gab es ein großes Feuer angezündet, so dass jeder Mensch bestaunen.

23 Und die Priester ein Gebet, während das Opfer verzehrte, sage ich, sowohl die Priester, und der ganze Rest, Jonathan Anfang, und der Rest Beantwortung thereunto, wie Neemias tat.

24 Und das Gebet war nach dieser Weise; O Herr, Herr, Gott, Schöpfer aller Dinge, die Angst und stark, und rechtschaffen bist, und barmherzig, und das einzige und gnädig King,

25 Der einzige Geber aller Dinge, die nur gerecht, allmächtig und ewig, du, daß deliverest Israel aus allen Schwierigkeiten, und hast die Väter zu wählen, und sie heiligt:

26 erhalten die Opfer für dein ganzes Volk Israel, und bewahren deinen eigenen Teil und heiligen.

27 Sammelt diese zusammen, die von uns verstreut sind, liefern sie dazu dienen unter den Heiden, schauen auf sie, die verachtet und verabscheut, und lassen Sie die Heiden weiß, daß du bist unser Gott.

28 zu bestrafen, dass zu unterdrücken uns, und mit Stolz zu tun, dass wir Unrecht.

29 Pflanzen dein Volk wieder in deinem heiligen Ort, wie Mose geredet hat.

30 Und der Priester gesungen Dankliedern.

31 Nun, wenn das Opfer verzehrt wurde, befahl Neemias das Wasser, das links auf der großen Steine ​​gegossen werden sollte.

32 Als dies geschehen war, wurde dort eine Flamme entfacht: aber es wurde durch das Licht, das vom Altar leuchtete verbraucht.

33 Also, wenn diese Sache bekannt wurde, war es der König von Persien, gesagt, dass an der Stelle, wo die Priester, die weg geführt wurden war das Feuer verbarg, erschien Wasser, und dass Neemias hatte die Opfer gereinigt damit.

34 Da sprach der König, einschließend den Ort, heiligte ihn, nachdem er die Sache versucht hatte.

35 Und der König nahm viele Geschenke, und davon auf jene, die er zu befriedigen verliehen.

36 Und Neemias als dieses Ding Naphthar, was so viel wie zu sagen ist, eine reinigende: aber viele Männer nennen es Nephi.

Historical evidence of Isralites living in egypt --

Bes (Bisu, Aha) was an ancient Egyptian dwarf god. He was a complex being who was both a deity and a demonic fighter. He was a god of war, yet he was also a patron of childbirth and the home, and was associated with sexuality, humour, music and dancing. Although he began as a protector of the pharaoh, he became very popular with every day Egyptian people because he protected women and children above all others. He had no temples and there were no priests ordained in his name. However, he was one of the most popular gods of ancient Egypt and was often depicted on household items such as furniture, mirrors and cosmetics containers and applicators as well as magical wands and knives. Over time he came to be seen as the champion of everything good and the enemy of everything evil. It seems that he was originally known as "Aha" ("fighter"wink because he could strangle bears, lions and snakes with his bare hands. He is described as a demon, but he was not considered to be evil. On the contrary, he was a supporter of Ra who protected him from his enemies. As a result, he was a god of war who protected the pharaoh and the people of Egypt from evil forces. He was often depicted on knives in the hope that this would extend his protection to the bearer of the blade. His image also appears on numerous "magic wands" and on an incredible number of amulets.

He was particularly protective of women and children and was often depicted with the young Horus protecting him as he matured. As a result, he also became a god of childbirth. It was thought that he could scare off any evil spirits lurking around the birthing chamber by dancing, shouting and shaking his rattle. If the mother was experiencing a difficult birth, a statue of Bes was placed near her head and his assistance was invoked on her behalf. Rather sweetly, Bes remained at the child's side after birth to protect and entertain them. It was said that if a baby laughed or smiled for no reason, it was because Bes was pulling funny faces. By the New Kingdom he was a regular feature of the illustrations on the walls of the mammisi ("birth house"wink.

However, it was during the Ptolemaic Period that the worship of Bes reached it height. He appears in numerous temple reliefs, thousands of amulets and charms were made in his image, and there were even oracles of Bes to allow people to benefit from his wisdom. He was given a new wife, known as Beset, who was a female version of himself ."Incubation" or Bes chambers were constructed with images of Bes and a naked goddess (most likely Beset) painted on the walls. It is thought that these chambers were meant to promote healing, remedy certain fertility problems or promote erotic dreams. The Romans also loved Bes and depicted him dressed as a legionnaire.

Bes also became popular with the Phoenicians and in Cyprus. Some scholars have suggested that the Ptolemaic version of Bes was in fact a composite god made up of ten fairly obscure gods; Aha, Amam, Bes, Hayet, Ihty, Mafdjet, Menew, Segeb, Sopdu and Tetenu. However, this theory is not widely supported and no evidence has been recovered to date which would clarify the situation.

Bes was also associated with a number of the more powerful gods; including Amun, Min, Horus and Reshep. He was most often associated with Horus the child. Bes often appeared on amulets and stele depicting the young horus and inscriptions intended to protect against snake bites etc. (known as "cippi"wink. The two gods also formed the composite deity "Horbes", even although Beset (Bes' wife during the Ptolemaic Period) was also described as Horus' mother! Bes was also closely associated with Hathor, who was also described as the mother or wife of Horus. The goddess was known as the "Lady of Punt", and was also a goddess of childbirth, dancing and music who shared many iconographic symbols with Bes.


******Bes often appeared on amulets and stele depicting the young horus and inscriptions intended to protect against snake bites etc. (known as "cippi"wink. The two gods also formed the composite deity "Horbes", even although Beset (Bes' wife during the Ptolemaic Period) was also described as Horus' mother! Bes was also closely associated with Hathor, who was also described as the mother or wife of Horus. The goddess was known as the "Lady of Punt", and was also a goddess of childbirth, dancing and music who shared many iconographic symbols with Bes.


******Bes was sometimes depicted with feline or leonine features and often sports a long tail prompting the speculation that in earlier times, he was not in fact a dwarf but a lion or cat rearing up on his hind legs. If he did start out as a feline goddess this would give him a further link to Hathor who was herself very closely associated with Bast (a cat goddess) and Sekhmet (a lion goddess) and the "Eye of Ra" (the fearsome protector of Ra).

********Furthermore, his name may be derived from the Nubian word for cat ("besa"wink and is written using the determinative for a mammal rather than the determinative of a god or a man (the cow skin). It is equally likely that he was always seen as a dwarf with the strength and power of a cat.

So we see tha are dwarfly type of people and that we have mixed with the isralites because of oure survival in ancient Egyp (Mizrayim kemet) WAS IMPORTANT.

**********Further evidence read

Later ancient times
In the Elephantine papyri, caches of legal documents and letters written in Aramaic amply document the lives of a community of Jewish soldiers stationed there as part of a frontier garrison in Egypt for the Achaemenid Empire.[6] Established at Elephantine in about 650 BC during Manasseh's reign, these soldiers assisted Pharaoh Psammetichus I in his Nubian campaign. Their religious system shows strong traces of Babylonian polytheism, something which suggests to certain scholars that the community was of mixed Judaeo-Samaritan origins,[7] and they maintained their own temple, functioning alongside that of the local deity Chnum. The documents cover the period 495 to 399 BC.
The Hebrew Bible also records that a large number of Jews took refuge in Egypt after the destruction of the Kingdom of Judah in 597 BC, and the subsequent assassination of the Jewish governor, Gedaliah. (2 Kings 25:22-24, Jeremiah 40:6-cool On hearing of the appointment, the Jews that had fled to Moab, Ammon, Edom and in other countries returned to Judah. (Jeremiah 40:11-12) However, before long Gedaliah was assassinated, and the population that was left in the land and those that had returned ran away to Egypt for safety. (2 Kings 25:26, Jeremiah 43:5-7) The numbers that made their way to Egypt is subject to debate. In Egypt, they settled in Migdol, Tahpanhes, Noph, and Pathros. (Jeremiah 44:1)


D. Then after their was war in Egypt , we came then down too West africa called Nigeria etc.
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by seyibrown(f): 4:29pm On Mar 17, 2013
Interesting read but too many errors and misconceptions!
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by Nobody: 4:36pm On Mar 17, 2013
Yorubas from the Middle East(ME) is absolutely incredible! As somebody has earlier opined, if Yorubas are from the ME, how come no single written account in our culture? How come we do not have a scintilla of Arabic or Hebrew in our spoken words? Ok, those who came only came to rule, yes but which of the palaces or shrines in Yorubaland do they have Arabic/Hebrew for conversation? It true that the Fulanis captured and occupied the ruling house of Yorubas in Ilorin, that is why on the street of Ilorin you have people speaking Yoruba language and displaying Yoruba culture, but the ruling house have Fulani culture and besides some mixture of Yoruba and Fulani culture is always found on the street! Can the same thing be said of Yoruba and Arabi/Hebraic culture on the street of Yorubaland?

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Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by Nobody: 4:38pm On Mar 17, 2013
Yorubas from the Middle East(ME) is absolutely incredible! As somebody has earlier opined, if Yorubas are from the ME, how come we do not have writing culture? How come we do not have a scintilla of Arabic or Hebrew in our spoken words? Ok, those who came only came to rule, yes but which of the palaces or shrines in Yorubaland do they have Arabic/Hebrew for conversation? It true that the Fulanis captured and occupied the ruling house of Yorubas in Ilorin, that is why on the street of Ilorin you have people speaking Yoruba language and displaying Yoruba culture, but the ruling house have Fulani culture and besides some mixture of Yoruba and Fulani culture is always found on the street! Can the same thing be said of Yoruba and Arabi/Hebraic culture on the street of Yorubaland?
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by OJODEL10(m): 9:55am On Sep 25, 2013
yoruba-jerubbaal-yerubbaal-yarriba
Re: What You Dont Know About Ifah And The Yorubas - A Letter I Got by AkinDavid2: 1:07pm On Sep 25, 2013
Interesting...I think "Black should be called White long enough to change our perspective"

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