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Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by orisa37: 8:45pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
Any WILL that is CAUSED by someone else is never FREE. WRONG. YOUR WILL IS IN YOUR CONSCIENCE AND YOUR CONSCIENCE IS BUILT-IN YOU BY THE SUPREME SPIRIT. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 8:51pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
LordReed:I think I have answered you. External events are what predispose me to making my CHOICES. The external events usually have nothing to do with Me If I am not in control of the external events that will happen tomorrow, how could it be then that the chain of events that led to my existence (past tense) now left me to to influence what will happen tomorrow (future). I don't know if tomorrow I will be visited by Fulani Kidnappers or long lost childhood friend. I don't know if tomorrow a coup will take place in Nigeria to overthrow Buhari I don't know if a news will come out that my Bank have gone insolvent I don't know if tomorrow, the Dollar will crash I don't know if tomorrow, North Korea and China will fire their Nuclear Bomb capable Hypersonic Missile at USA. To the question again: How do you know your will is not being affected by the chain of events that led to your existence? Did the chain of events that lead to my existence also predetermined what will happen tomorrow? The answer is capital NO! Why? The Fulani Kidnapper has his independent Will and external circumstances unique to himself alone The Nigerian Soldiers have their independent Will and external circumstances unique to themselves alone The managers of my Bank have their independent Will and external circumstances unique to themselves alone etc. EXCEPT your CLAIM is that everything that would occur tomorow has already been determined from the past, then Freewill will be meaningless! Therefore, the things that led to my existence in this world does not affect my future |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 8:57pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
TenQ:you need a basic overhaul |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 9:18pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
LordReed:I think you are watching to much of movies like MATRIX. You said: If your ability to choose is part of a causal chain you had no hand in bringing about how do you know you are freely choosing those foods? 1. You have no hand in having the ability to CHOOSE 2. Our choices are normally determined by what we LIKE or will Maximise our Pleasure or Minimise our Pain 3. In Spite of these above, a human being CAN deliberately (knowing the consequence) take a CHOICE that he doesn't Like or make choices that minimizes his Pleasure or choices that maximises his discomfort/pain * This mean that our choices are made ON THE FLY based on the surrounding EXTERNAL constraints *This is why as humans, we sometimes make personal SACRIFICES for the good of others *This why there is Reward or Punishment for our kind of CHOICES we make on earth |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 9:25pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
Workch:You've started your meaningless rants again! All you need to do is to use the TRUTH of Science to permanently debunk any of the FOUR claims/statements I have made TenQ: Numbers 1 and 4 are questions to You: probably, you don't have an answer! Is Number 2 a false statement? Is Number 3 a false statement? You can see exactly why I said your words mean NOTHING? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by A001: 10:37pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
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Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 11:28pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
A001:It is erroneous to claim that EVERYTHING is part of God's plan. Any premise based on errors is obviously WRONG |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by A001: 11:38pm On Nov 05, 2021 |
TenQ:Everything is not part of your god's plan? Your god isn't all-knowing, all-powerful again? 1 Like |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by TenQ: 12:00am On Nov 06, 2021 |
A001:No need to reply a .... |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by A001: 12:06am On Nov 06, 2021 |
TenQ:Lols. You can't reply me when you have seen you goofed with that comment, which is antithetical to the central qualities of your god in the Bible. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 6:03am On Nov 06, 2021 |
TenQ:You don’t know anything, most laws of physics that lay people like you know breaks down in the quantum world. We don’t even know if Energy is conserved in the quantum world, we understand it poorly, some speculate that Heisenberg uncertainty principle enforces conservation while others think the spooky action (quantum entanglement) will account for conservation but we are still not sure that energy is conserved in the quantum field. To an observer, Energy is not conserved in the quantum world, maybe in the future we might understand it better and find out that it’s conserved. Until tomorrow, no one understand quantum physics, it surprises us everyday. Imagine not being able to account for energy conservation. Even the Newton’s law of motion you are always quoting doesn’t work there. So stop all this your old-fashioned physics and read more |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:06am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: Nothing refers to no thing that has a specific size..... It's impossible for no thing with a specific size to exist.... Actually, Nothing doesn't refer to anything with a specific size... So, nothing shouldn't have any definition that involves anything... In other words,if you want to define nothing , Then ,no thing is required to make the 'definition' correct..... The universe is a thing.....so, it's wrong to mention it when you consider the 'definition' of nothing... I think the quotation marks are necessary because nothing is meant to have no definition ...... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:09am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: If you say there's nothing, Then you're saying there's a limit to what exists.... |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:24am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:That is a philosophical definition, in science, nothing is the absent matter, radiators and antimatter. |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:25am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:You are assuming wrongly |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:25am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: Whether or not anybody understands quantum physics.... It's impossible for your possession of limits to coincide with the possibility of nothing .... You and every other scientist is limited.. Even your technology is limited..... So, you can't identify things whose distinguishing properties ARE BEYOND YOUR LIMITS/THE LIMITS OF YOUR TECHNOLOGY... When you say something appears, Does that mean there was nothing?? It is you that wasn't able to determine what exactly disappeared.... For the disappearance of something coincided with the appearance of something else.... It happened so fast that you couldn't determine what exactly disappeared.... You come across what is not beyond your limits by chance .....it happens accidentally.... |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:26am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:That response wasn’t for you. Focus on what we have been discussing |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:26am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:28am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:I am not even getting your point. What exactly is the point you have been trying to make? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:28am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: Yeah It wasn't for me.... But my response was related to what we're discussing |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:30am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:What point are you trying to make? Let it out |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:32am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: Then , science is wrong in this case!!!!! |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:32am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:ok, so tell me the point you have been trying to make all these while |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:33am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: My point is no scientist should consider his or her possession of limits as a reason to determine anything as nothing.... |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:34am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:Ok? How does that answer the op’s question? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Bishopkingsley(m): 7:37am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano: Lol |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 7:45am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: It doesn't have to answer the OP's question....It addresses something I came across while reading several comments on this thread... As for the OP's question...... I don't think there's anything like 'everything that exists' neither do I think anything that exists must have a cause.. The OP was arguing with me the other time when I said I'm partially responsible for my present situation.. He was like since my present situation is as a result of several occurrences in the past, Then I'm totally responsible for my present situation.... In other words,he was like I choose or decided to be in this situation..... What is the essence of questioning freewill for whatever reason when you claim I'm totally responsible for my present situation no matter what has happened to me before?? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 7:47am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:ok now since I get your point, let me treat your argument. If you remove everything from the universe and nothing remains, what is the something with specific size you are talking about? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 8:00am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: That's it!!! You cannot remove everything from the universe because the universe was never empty .... The universe never became full.... The universe has always been full or it never existed at all... When I say full, I mean the universe has always been a group of several objects that are ageless and indivisible... Just like every other combination... The universe has always been made of ageless indivisible objects.... The only thing that can happen is for what you call the universe to become something else.... |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Workch: 8:10am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Crystyano:I am asking whether the universe is ageless or has always been full or not. This is my question: if you manage to remove everything from the universe and nothing remains, will that nothing be real nothing to you or if no, then what Is that something with specific size you are referring to? Let me rephrase it here, if you have a vacuum without any form of particle, radiation or antimatter, does it vacuum contain nothing or is there still something in it? If you think there’s still something in it, then what’s that something? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by LordReed(m): 8:10am On Nov 06, 2021 |
TenQ: So do you agree your will is influenced by those external sources? |
Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Nobody: 8:33am On Nov 06, 2021 |
Workch: I never said the universe is ageless.... That something is what you're yet to distinguish.... Didn't you discover what you were able to identify by chance Didn't you say there was nothing before you discovered those things 1 Like |
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