venabili:


Oh, i actually meant Russia shouldn't have invaded because they feel encircled. I do understand that they feel NATO is getting too close to them, and frankly USA will never allow such within their sphere of influence, the fact remains that as long as the Russian Nuclear triad remain effective and up to date, NATO will never be able to put boots on Russian soil no matter how close they get.

Sovereignty is subject to your ability to defend it. Same as human rights. When i approach a military checkpoint, i ensure my phone is out of sight. There is no law preventing me from using my phone, but the men in khaki have superior firepower and can overide my rights should dey desire. I dont try to quote laws when facing the business end of a Kalashnikov held by a nigerian soldier.

NATO launched a campaign against the sovereign nation of Serbia when Kosovo tried to break away. They did not mention sovereignty then. World powers basically do or say what suits them.

OneCorner:
So hypocritical that no one cared when US invaded Iraq, Vietnam and even Libya

angelfallz:
You don't understand.

If Ukraine is allowed to join NATO. NATO would be able to build air bases and missile stations. Those missile stations would be able to launch missiles directly to Moscow and because of the distance from Moscow, the Russian army would not have enough time to react to those missiles. So basically the US and NATO could launch missiles at Moscow and Moscow would not have enough time to react and launch their own missiles.

Also, having those missiles so close to Moscow, the US basically has a gun to Putin's head, and you know what happens when someone has a gun to your head. If the person says bark like a dog, you would bark.

Like i said in a previous thread what Putin is doing, is what any reasonable leader would do in his position. It is unfortunate that the people of Ukraine elected an idiot for a president.

I am happy you said even the US would not tolerate such if they were in Russia's position.

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

Gainman:
your mumu don do. It is safer for United States to be in possession of nuclear weapons than Russia and other terrorist countries to be in control of these deadly weapons

odigbosky:




Your points are not sound enough. I told one of your putin fans that I actually like putin but he made a mistake here... RUSSIA and USA are like two boys with different girlfriends. The problem is that, the USA has money. The US drives a rolls royce and Russia drives a Mercedes Benz 190. The US spends money on his girlfriend and does public display of love. He allows her go shopping with his ATM. Now Ukraine which is Russia girlfriend is not getting enough love from Russia. Infact Russia is her. She looks at former girlfriends of Russia like Latvia, Poland and the rest and she sees they are having a better life than her. She starts flirting with USA. Of course Ukraine is a beautiful lady and the US gets flirty also. They rub this flirt Russia face. Now instead of Russia to go and Hustle hard and prove that he can take care of his wives, and make himself look attractive, he is beating Ukraine. It's low self esteem that is affecting Russia government.

Have you wondered why China is doing everything to become the biggest economy. Money matters. When you have money you become sexy and you become attractive. China understands this, they know they can create their influence by becoming rich, so she is Hustling hard to make money. Russia is making money and using to buy vodka and rubbish.

Lindodo20:


Don't mind them, they keep supporting virulent racists who don't even see their black asses as human to begin with. With what Russia is doing in CAR at the moment, and China all over the African continent pillaging resources and ruining national economies via fake debt, any African who supports a Russia-China alliance is a self-destructive fool.

If Russia-China had their way, the black race would be extinct. Yes USA is racist but with them the black man stands a fighting chance. The Chinese are going to wipe out the entire Africa at the rate they are going. Ditto Russia. But the curse of the black man is to always work against his own interest/progress

OneCorner:

After 20yrs of killing and maiming, did they now fulfill their reason to invade?
Russia, US, NATO are all the same
Russia didn’t say they want to annex Ukraine too, they said they want to liberate the country

Adjovi:



And how was Libya involved in 9/11

aribisala0:
Only one ountry has ever used nuclear weapons . the United States so it is not safer
It is the most aggressive country on the planet

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives.

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

Gainman:
but u wish you and your family to settle their despite u call them aggressor. U wish to have money in dollars despite u call them aggressor.dont u see u are hypocrite. Is it not this Russia that have been selling deadly weapons to terrorist groups all over d world. Ak47 are guns terrorist have used to kill millions of innocent people.. they sell weapons to illegal groups to generate income income regardless of d negative effects. Russia is one of the most racist countries in d world. But to u Russia is not the aggressor but US.

OneCorner:
So hypocritical that no one cared when US invaded Iraq, Vietnam and even Libya

freshkpomo:

You people keep saying US invade this,invade that but yet non of you have any reason for the invasion. Look at Libya today, weapons are been supplied to terrorists in Nigeria through Libya and yet you feel such a country was invaded wrongly? What if they were silently sponsoring terrorists attack?

OneCorner:

And when US invaded justly, did it change for good or worse
Did terrorism sponsorship and supply increase or decrease?

freshkpomo:

When hushpuppi was sent to American prison did Internet fraud stop? But it gave the world one less fraudster to worry about Right?

OneCorner:

Lol, how does Hushpuppi correlate with world orders?
You’re just being hypocritical and your double standards are glaring
So US invaded Libya because they want to kill on sponsor of terrorism and create 100 more right?

venabili:

Well as long as my enemies are assured that both they and their families wont survive my retribution should i be assaulted, we should have a common understanding. Its called Mutually Assured Destruction.

venabili:
Its crazy and definitely looks like encroachment. But nothing is worth war. Too many innocents suffer

Babinski:


There is no encroachment. The countries that joined NATO are sovereigns that have the right to make their decisions themselves. They are not subordinate to Russia or anyone.

If Russia is not comfortable with that then Russia should either join NATO or form a different military alliance and seek for countries to join the alliance. One of the most basic human rights is freedom to associate. Fighting or invading another country can never be the solution.

venabili:


I agree. But why was the USA ready to bomb Cuba for accepting Soviet weapons on its soil back in 1962? And why do they keep reiterating the Monroe doctrine when it has no basis in international law?

aribisala0:
Why is t personal for you ? WHy are you dragging my family on Nairaland
Clearly your family has no value to you .You do not know me and never will. What you want for your family is your business not mine. Must I want what you want?

Learn how to talk like a civilized human being and not like an animal.

Babinski:


Please get your facts right on the Cuba issue. USA didn't invade Cuba neither did they attempt to bomb Cuba. John Kennedy who was the US President during the Cuba Missile Crisis was advised to invade Cuba because USSR was building nuclear missile bases in Cuba. The invasion would have started a war. But Kennedy took the better option of creating a Naval blockade of Cuba to prevent nuclear missiles from being shipped into Cuba.

Kennedy's actions are far far more honourable than those of Putin despite the situation at Cuba being much more provocative than that of Ukraine. NATO doesn't site nuclear bases in member countries neither does it encourage its members to be agressors.

Gainman:
keep your mouth shut. You comment shows u are a pure hypocrite. Reason my post hit u hard. Truth is bitter. I wonder why a civil person will be that happy when innocent people are dying just because u hate US. A country that is even indirectly connected to d crises.

odigbosky:


Don't mind them. Give them a Russian Visa and American Visa, they will choose America visa.

Let me remind you Putin fans, when USA and Russia shared Germany, western Germany under US was so prosperous that eastern Germans were running every day from the east to the west not minding being shot at by communist government. Eastern Europe is less developed than west. The west was under USA, the US pomped money in the west through the Marshall plan. The west is economically better. What did the USSR do with the east. Today all eastern European countries are dying to join their western brothers in the EU... Money matters.

They said USA invaded Korea. Was it not at the invitation of the nationalist government in Korea during the attack from communist forces. Today the South is richer than the North. What did USSR or Russia do for the north. They are hungry.

Even Vietnam had to throw away ancient communist crap and become a free market economy to attract western investors. When America occupied Japan after their defeat, they helped the Japanese build a solid economy back. Japan became second biggest economy then before China came.

Even the chinese would tell you that it was America who rescued them from imperial Japan. China was struggling during the cultural revolution, she accepted free market economics and capilalism, today she is second biggest economy in the world. What did USSR do for her to become rich.

Show me one country that Russia has been with and they became very rich and economically viable. People are attracted to money and success.


Give these Putin fans a visa to Russia or Visa to America, they will speedily run to America and Canada.

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

aribisala0:
Only one ountry has ever used nuclear weapons . the United States so it is not safer
It is the most aggressive country on the planet

HernanCortes:


If USA had not practiced that aggression, most probably you would not be alive with a computer typing this.

If you were alive at all, and not an extinct species in that reality of Japanese imperialism, you'd be chained to a plow on a farm somewhere, sweating like a beast.

aribisala0:
Spare us the hypebole?

The Russians defeated the NAZIs
They did so without Nuclear weapons

The Japanese were already lost , they were not in Europe or Africa
In August 1945 the Japanese were virtually defeated. The Soviet Army was in Manchura and the Japanese were on the backfoot and their defeat was a matter of time



Do not lie to yourself

There were protests across Africa about that nuclear gangsterism , even Fela's mother was involved

It was not necessary and the US just wanted to test the weapon and did so against a non-white people

The question is why they did not nuke Germany which was a bigger threat? Racism

aribisala0:
Actually you can

Why did America invade Vietnam? Cuba?
If you are big enough in this world you can do what you like

SeunTheOwner:


South Vietnam invited the US to help defeat uncle Ho vietcong army from Northern Vietnam. As matter of fact, Vietnam has already been divided into two; The South under the leadership of Ngo din, Backed by the US and the North Vietnam under the leadership of uncle Ho backed by the Soviet.

The Vietnam War is just another fail cold war and anti communist war.
Basically both US and Soviet were scared of each others Government ideology

Cuba was not invaded, take note

aribisala0:
What was the Bay of Pigs?

Ukraine is not divided into East and West?
The East invited Russia

All those specious arguments are self servng