NGpatriot:
These ipobian people sef.

What about Number 1 and number 2 on your map. They are Russia's neighbors, former parts of the Soviet Union and now NATO members so why attack Ukrain that's not a member of NATO instead of Estonia and Latvia, NATO members?


Go and sit down somwhere abeg..

Goodmarlian:


That was when Russia was weak not now she is finding her feet back.

venabili:
Its crazy and definitely looks like encroachment. But nothing is worth war. Too many innocents suffer

aribisala0:
Hitler signed a Non Aggression Pact with the Soviet Union. He invaded Romania and Poland and used those places to launch attack on the Soviet Union .At the end of it all 24 million Soviets died. More that the loses of Germany , Europe UK and USA combined . They paid the biggest price for that war.

Eventually it was the the Red Army that defeated Hitler and they divided Germany in two with the West. Everything to the East of Germany was a buffer zone . Now NATO has wiped out that buffer zone and arrived at Russia's borders. What for? To sell Iphones
If you tell Russia to calm down they would tell you 24 Million lives

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

NGpatriot:



Ukraine is a sovereign Nation and free to associate with any Nation including any military alliance. Security fears and concerns don't mean you have to wipe your neighbors and sovereign nations off the map.

Why not go to the other NATO member nations along his border like Ukraine? The coward can not because he's scared of NATO's article Number 5.

Individual countries determine their future, their friendships and associations, not some neighborhood bully or whatever 24 million people he lost decades ago.

aribisala0:
Hitler signed a Non Aggression Pact with the Soviet Union. He invaded Romania and Poland and used those places to launch attack on the Soviet Union breaking his word .At the end of it all 24 million Soviets died. More that the loses of Germany , Europe UK and USA combined . They paid the biggest price for that war.

Eventually it was the the Red Army that defeated Hitler and they divided Germany in two with the West. Everything to the East of Germany was a buffer zone . Now NATO has wiped out that buffer zone and arrived at Russia's borders. What for? To sell Iphones
If you tell Russia to calm down they would tell you 24 Million lives
If they start the war their losses would not be that many . It is an existential threat and they will pick those countries off one by one over the next 10 years .

Lindodo20:


What are they scared of now? Germany.has been and remains demilitarized it's basically a satellite state of the USA.
US cannot possibly invade Russia

aribisala0:


No t that Sovereign nation refrain does not work in Europe.

You need to understand the Cold War and World War 2 to understand that

Individual countries determine their future in textbooks not in the reality of European History

That has never happened it is just Utopian Bullshit

Since the End of World War 2 Japan and Korea are occupied by US forces .

There is a security settlement in Europe for example West and East Germany could only unite with the agreement of the Soviet Union

Hitler was originally from Austria and the Austrian people are Deutsch. Another WWII settlement was the splitting of Austria from Germany because of the fear of an Over domineering Deutschland
Austria and Germany CANNOT choose to merge without a reaction from others . It won't be allowed
If you are looking for a neighbourhood bully look at the US and NATO and their activities

In Venezuela,Cuba, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, AFghanistan, Syria, Libya, Kosovo

aribisala0:


No t that Sovereign nation refrain does not work in Europe.

You need to understand the Cold War and World War 2 to understand that

Individual countries determine their future in textbooks not in the reality of European History

That has never happened it is just Utopian Bullshit

Since the End of World War 2 Japan and Korea are occupied by US forces .

There is a security settlement in Europe for example West and East Germany could only unite with the agreement of the Soviet Union

Hitler was originally from Austria and the Austrian people are Deutsch. Another WWII settlement was the splitting of Austria from Germany because of the fear of an Over domineering Deutschland
Austria and Germany CANNOT choose to merge without a reaction from others . It won't be allowed
If you are looking for a neighbourhood bully look at the US and NATO and their activities

In Venezuela,Cuba, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, AFghanistan, Syria, Libya, Kosovo

NGpatriot:



I don't even get the archaic and irrelevant ancient constructs per current global realities, whatever agreement the old and defunct Societ Union had with other entities has zero bearing on Ukrain, Ukrain was not a sovereign Nation then and was not a party to whatever agreement you are talking about.

There is nothing like the Societ Union anymore and the former republics like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are all NATO members so what exactly is the issue here with Ukraine?

Ukraine is a sovereign Nation with their ow seat at the UN, with international capital and diplomatic missions, not a village, a slave Nation or a sacrificial goat for some ancient agreement that Ukraine was never part of.

The world moved on and is never going back to the ancient soviet union slave nations era, that's long gone.

Putin miscalculated and it already backfired in his face.

Rareoil:


You can't just invade a sovereign nation just because it is associating with your 'enemy', this invasion was so unnecessary.

aribisala0:


You don't have to get it .You are a spectator
All that pontification is just hot air
The Russians are in Kiev and they will remake the country in their image


How has it backfired in his face
If it has that is his problem

Is Cuba not a sovereign Nation
Iraq backfiring
Venezuela backfiring
Syria Backfiring
Afghanistan Backfired
Libya backfiring
VietNam backfired

aribisala0:
Actually you can

Why did America invade Vietnam? Cuba?
If you are big enough in this world you can do what you like

NGpatriot:



I still don't see what your ancient and irrelevant examples got to do with the current realities.

You don't invade other countries because you are scared and afraid of other people, it was wrong then regardless of who did it and it's still wrong today.

Russia and Putin himself will pay dearly for this foolery, tens of thousands of Russians are already out in the streets demonstrating against his dumb war, I even see the clown getting chased out of office by the time the sanctions start biting with starvation and inflation..

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

aribisala0:

I was not talking about Germany today I was only explaining the historical background
The issue today is NATO
.If you cannot understand I cannot help you I am sorry
By the way Germany is not demilitarized anymore that is untrue you can easily research that

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

iLoveYouToo:



Russia seems to be at war with NATO, kindly tell me what NATO has done to hurt Russia or those nations that have joined it. I don’t think NATO is the enemy here. I need more facts

Goodmarlian:
Look at this map and tell me the America and NATO doesnt have alterior motives,every body cannot be foolish like Nigerian leaders that doesn't care about the security of the country, you want your NATO to plant her missiles in Ukraine so that if there is war tommorow Russia wouldn't be able defend herself because the missiles are too close to Moscow, an ICMBM launched from America mainland takes 25 minutes to reach anywhere in the world,imagine if that kind of missile is placed in ukraine which time will Moscow have to intercept it ? It will take seconds to reach Russia and wreck havoc .

hypocrite Nigerians that never condemns the killings in kaduna and benue no go let us hear word ndi uchu.

OneCorner:
So hypocritical that no one cared when US invaded Iraq, Vietnam and evening Libya