KnownUnknown:


They don’t see anything because it does not happen. They only thing they “see” is the same thing that goes on when they are dreaming.
There is no such thing as leaving your body or any other woo woo nonsense people claim.
Spirits, ghosts, souls, holy ghosts, etc are just bullshit.

KnownUnknown:
The following anecdote was related by a devotee . He was confirmed— said he—in his belief in the existence of the gods and as
helpers in the government of the world from the following incident.
Said he , A young man once fell into a swoon , and having revived, he related the vision which he had seen . He said he saw the GREAT
GOD sitting on a throne , covered with a flowing garment , attended on His right and left by Orisanla and Ifa his counsellors, behind him was a pit into which the condemned were cast . Ogun and Sopona were ministers of his vengeance to execute justice upon offenders . Ogun armed with swords (or daggers) went out daily to slay victims , his food being the blood of the slain........

Excerpt from The History of the Yorubas: From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the British Protectorate

NDE, OBE, Vivid dreaming, regular dreaming = Brain activity that mean NOTHING

LordReed:


Same way I accept that people have dreams.

TenQ:

OBEs are called OBEs and not dreams for a reason dude!

TenQ:

Physical Third party verification of what was sighted in an OBE!

LordReed:


Unless it is of things he wouldn't otherwise be able to see then it won't mean anything. Take your Howard Storm for instance, he said he saw his wife and the other patient in the room, there's nothing special about that description since they both were in the room with him. If he had described events or people outside the room that he could not have otherwise known then that would be something.

LordReed:


Which you have yet to tell me.

TenQ:


OUT ... Of.. BODY !

TenQ:

Howards NDE is not even one of the profound ones with respect to OBEs.

When the subject who is expected to be unconscious is reporting what each of the medical personnel was doing when they died, that is a real deal and there are examples to that effect


This is why it is called Out of Body Body Experiences

LordReed:


Which you are yet to show is objectively true. So you are yet to show what is special or objectively true about this experience.

BTW here is some guy who saw Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, how seriously should I take him since he also had an OBE.

I Died; Saw Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad & Krishna During My NDE. What They Showed Me Changed Me Forever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICciopQs7w

LordReed:


Then why not to give us those ones to explore.

TenQ:

I don't have to as you have probably seen a few yourself

TenQ:

All these are NDEs E and not OBE!

In OUT of BODY experiences, a person witnesses real physical experiences that he is not supposed to be privy to.
NDE to a large extent may be I sinuated to be an Elaborate Dream but not OBE especially if it happens within an NDE

TenQ:

I am not aware you stated YOUR OWN personal experience. Perhaps you can remind me

TenQ:

In OBEs, people experience REAL life environment while physically not within such environment. OBEs are sometimes verified by others: there are many reports of that!

LordReed:


LoLz. No I haven't.

TenQ:

Good for you. It means it's time to search

LordReed:


LoLz. You didn't even watch the video. The guy says he had an OBE in it along with the NDE, watch it don't just read the tag line.

Besides you didn't answer the question, should I take this particular experience seriously or no?

LordReed:


No thanks, I don't find them interesting.

budaatum:




https://www.nairaland.com/7726647/near-death-experience-atheist-professor/3#123800634

TenQ:

1. You didn't ask any question as I could see
2. You have mixed up NDE and OBE.

In NDE, you report the unseen (like in a dream)
In OBE, you report the physical verifiable environment of the subject

TenQ:

Repeating assertions don't suddenly make them real.

TenQ:

I guess you don't know that sometime OBEs accompany NDEs.

TenQ:

This is also a result of you finding the truth

LordReed:


Which you are yet to show is objectively true. So you are yet to show what is special or objectively true about this experience.

BTW here is some guy who saw Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed, how seriously should I take him since he also had an OBE.

I Died; Saw Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad & Krishna During My NDE. What They Showed Me Changed Me Forever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pICciopQs7w

budaatum:


I had my own subjective mixed up NDE and OBE experience and I now describe the unseen entire physical verifiable environment of the bar beach that I drank all up and the valium that jumped down my throat, so of course I was not asking any questions since it is my own subjective experience I report.

KnownUnknown:


They are just dreaming.

KnownUnknown:


F—- Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, and Krishna. You saw Mickey Mouse playing kickball with one of those blue Indian monkey gods.

KnownUnknown:


F—- Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, and Krishna. You saw Mickey Mouse playing kickball with one of those blue Indian monkey gods.

TenQ:

I didn't even mention the name of Jesus nor did I say anything about God.

But the children of hate must live according to the seed of hate in them.

Bottom line based on his Own Report :
He was sick and died
Went to Hell as a Atheist
Received Mercy
No more an Atheist

jaephoenix:

So this verse was a lie then
Hebrews 9:27
King James Version
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

TenQ:
BTW:
There were no OBE in the testimonies
The testimonies were designed to teach new age doctrines and not a report.
Not withstanding!

The Bible says, "Test ALL Spirits whether they be of God"! To this end, no NDE report should be accepted as doctrine. Each one taken at their face falue. Haven said this,
Should you take this NDE serious?
I will say Yes if and only if the testimonies are true.
Should you make the testimonies a doctrine? Certainly Not!
Why shouldn't you make it a doctrine?
Because the individual may be under the influence of spirits not of God.


Why should you take the testimony (if it is true) serious?
It shows that life exist beyond the 3D space and biological brain.

I have reasons to discard these testimonies as weak however, this isn't the bone of contention!

LordReed:


LMAO! i should only take seriously the OBEs and NDEs that confirm your specific beliefs. Right.

You didn't watch the video. See the screenshot.