Penguin2:

How come you sound so sure of what the judges will decide? Do you have the judgment already?

About 25% in FCT, I’ve not mentioned that there’s a Supreme Court precedent on it. It was set in 2008 in a case between Yaradua and Buhari where the Supreme Court ruled that it is not mandatory to win the FCT before you are declared winner of the election; however, it’s is mandatory to get 25% in the FCT.

The made the above ruling because Buhari was challenging the election based on the fact that Yaradua did not win in Abuja but INEC declared him.

What do you say about that?

This is false sir,I have read 2007 judgment more than 10 times.the supreme court never made any ruling on FCT in 2003 or 2007 or 2008.yaradua actually had 65% in fct so a ruling on it did not arise.but in 2003,they made only a side comment on FCT issue saying that if there's any ambiguity in it,they will utilize the law of ambiguity and choose the most reasonable cause of action.that matter was laid to rest.
With your little experience on the judiciary,you should know that they will never raise the status of someone or a place above another except there's immunity.the constitution frowns at inequality.besides when a case is 50 50,the judiciary tends to side with the status quo or in this case incumbents....
Additionally,the fct is actually below or inferior to a state in reality.but the constitution has placed it on the level of states to avoid confusion.

Lotanna2:


This is false sir,I have read 2007 judgment more than 10 times.the supreme court never made any ruling on FCT in 2003 or 2007 or 2008.yaradua actually had 65% in fct so a ruling on it did not arise.but in 2003,they made only a side comment on FCT issue saying that if there's any ambiguity in it,they will utilize the law of ambiguity and choose the most reasonable cause of action.that matter was laid to rest.
With your little experience on the judiciary,you should know that they will never raise the status of someone or a place above another except there's immunity.the constitution frowns at inequality.besides when a case is 50 50,the judiciary tends to side with the status quo or in this case incumbents....
Additionally,the fct is actually below or inferior to a state in reality.but the constitution has placed it on the level of states to avoid confusion.

I will try to get the right judgment and revert to you.

But did you read that Tinubu’s witness came to court yesterday with a document that was prepared by a committee on FCT which recommended that it be accorded a special status?

And how can you claim that an entity governed by the president is inferior to places overseen by governors?

All these skewed arguments just to bend reality to conform to Tinubu?

Penguin2:

I will try to get the right judgment and revert to you.

But did you read that Tinubu’s witness came to court yesterday with a document that was prepared by a committee on FCT which recommended that it be accorded a special status?

And how can you claim that an entity governed by the president is inferior to places overseen by governors?

All these skewed arguments just to bend reality to conform to Tinubu?

The aim of the document was to show that fct is to be treated like a state and that it is not the only centre of unity or melting pots that is from apc perspective.
Making someone or something special does not mean it is superior to others but to make it equal or equitable.special status are usually granted to people or places that are less or handicapped or challenged compared to normal situations inorder to bridge a gap.
I don't see the skewed argument here.it is a foolish argument to say fct is superior to states.there is no place in the constitution that places Abuja above states,I challenge you to show me where something is conferred to the fct and denied to states.rather,the constitution seeks to treat fct like states even though it is less.no court or judge will ever give a judgment making a vote,somebody or place superior or inferior except there's immunity(executive) or imprisonment.
Think about it,if it is mandatory for FCT to be separate,then no winner will emerge until someone gets the highest votes plus 25% in fct.but the constitution says in that rerun,the winner will just have highest votes.why is the fct no more required? The judges may have considered that argument if tinubu did not get the spread in about 24/25.with him getting 29,it is not tenable.

Lotanna2:



The aim of the document was to show that fct is to be treated like a state and that it is not the only centre of unity or melting pots that is from apc perspective.
Making someone or something special does not mean it is superior to others but to make it equal or equitable.special status are usually granted to people or places that are less or handicapped or challenged compared to normal situations inorder to bridge a gap.
I don't see the skewed argument here.it is a foolish argument to say fct is superior to states.there is no place in the constitution that places Abuja above states,I challenge you to show me where something is conferred to the fct and denied to states.rather,the constitution seeks to treat fct like states even though it is less.no court or judge will ever give a judgment making a vote,somebody or place superior or inferior except there's immunity(executive) or imprisonment.
Think about it,if it is mandatory for FCT to be separate,then no winner will emerge until someone gets the highest votes plus 25% in fct.but the constitution says in that rerun,the winner will just have highest votes.why is the fct no more required? The judges may have considered that argument if tinubu did not get the spread in about 24/25.with him getting 29,it is not tenable.

Lol!

The problem is that APC took the document to court having given it their own interpretation. But the court will look at the document holistically and not through APC’s prism.

Now, you ask where in the constitution is Abuja provided for specially and my answer is “And 25% in the FCT. That’s a provision that shows that Abuja has a special place in the Nigerian state.

The section 299 that you guys always refer to talked about the administration of Abuja. That in administration of Abuja, it should be taken just like a state. It is worlds apart from the status of Abuja in Nigerian presidential election.

Meanwhile, do you have any explanation why Wole Olanipekun tried to submit Senator Bamidele’s business card to the judges? He wanted the judges to call the senator?🤔

Penguin2:

Lol!

The problem is that APC took the document to court having given it their own interpretation. But the court will look at the document holistically and not through APC’s prism.

Now, you ask where in the constitution is Abuja provided for specially and my answer is “And 25% in the FCT. That’s a provision that shows that Abuja has a special place in the Nigerian state.

The section 299 that you guys always refer to talked about the administration of Abuja. That in administration of Abuja, it should be taken just like a state. It is worlds apart from the status of Abuja in Nigerian presidential election.

Meanwhile, do you have any explanation why Wole Olanipekun tried to submit Senator Bamidele’s business card to the judges? He wanted the judges to call the senator?🤔

The truth of the matter is that the judges have already taken a decision on FCT,it is an open and close case.no argument or document will swing their minds.none of the arguments making fct mandatory are tenable while those shutting down fct are concrete.if you say fct is a melting pot,is Lagos,pH,kad,Kano not even better melting pots? If you say it is a centre of unity and governor of fct is the president,don't you think state govs should have 25% in their capitals and senators too should get 25% since they manage abj legislatively?
Concerning the AND,all texts right from childhood both online and offline always categorize Nigeria as having 36 states and FCT.it has more to do with grammatical structure and territorial placing not electoral.why not just say AND IN THE which is incontrovertible? Take note that if they are mentioning 36 states without fct,it is AND zamfara and fct comes in when all territories are referred.
In all matters concerning fct,the judges have equated fct to a state.they have stated clearly that it is not inferior or superior.that is a legal expo.eveb Fergie has easily dismissed the tribunal case.he is hardly wrong.
The funny thing is that In the end,tinubu will prevail and the most annoying thing is that you will not learn.instead of you to calm down and learn from us,you will bring up another nonsensical narrative and still fail.the purpose of argument is to learn and develop yourself not to wallow in ignorance or unenlightenment

Lotanna2:


The truth of the matter is that the judges have already taken a decision on FCT,it is an open and close case.no argument or document will swing their minds.none of the arguments making fct mandatory are tenable while those shutting down fct are concrete.if you say fct is a melting pot,is Lagos,pH,kad,Kano not even better melting pots? If you say it is a centre of unity and governor of fct is the president,don't you think state govs should have 25% in their capitals and senators too should get 25% since they manage abj legislatively?
Concerning the AND,all texts right from childhood both online and offline always categorize Nigeria as having 36 states and FCT.it has more to do with grammatical structure and territorial placing not electoral.why not just say AND IN THE which is incontrovertible? Take note that if they are mentioning 36 states without fct,it is AND zamfara and fct comes in when all territories are referred.
In all matters concerning fct,the judges have equated fct to a state.they have stated clearly that it is not inferior or superior.that is a legal expo.eveb Fergie has easily dismissed the tribunal case.he is hardly wrong.
The funny thing is that In the end,tinubu will prevail and the most annoying thing is that you will not learn.instead of you to calm down and learn from us,you will bring up another nonsensical narrative and still fail.the purpose of argument is to learn and develop yourself not to wallow in ignorance or unenlightenment

I agree with you that arguments should not be about who wins it but about the education and enlightenment it provides. But I refuse to be categorized as someone who argues to win rather than arguing to learn.

Like in this situation, we are all speculating on what the judges will likely rule. And you dare not claim to know what they would decide and provide it as a fact that should not be questioned.

You, I, Fergie, non of us know anything for sure. And until the court rules, it’s reprehensible to present your position as unquestionable.

I will say it again, the FCT has a special status in the constitution and for anyone to be declared president, he must score 25% in the FCT. That’s a constitutional provision. And until the courts interpret it otherwise and establish a contrary authority, don’t question my position.

Penguin2:

Define valid and invalid members of a political party.

Registered member, can a nobody just go & contest an election, without been sponsored by a party? His name is not on the register, he is a foreigner to LP, go & check pdp’s register Gringory Obi’s Name will be there.

Penguin2:

I agree with you that arguments should not be about who wins it but about the education and enlightenment it provides. But I refuse to be categorized as someone who argues to win rather than arguing to learn.

Like in this situation, we are all speculating on what the judges will likely rule. And you dare not claim to know what they would decide and provide it as a fact that should not be questioned.

You, I, Fergie, non of us know anything for sure. And until the court rules, it’s reprehensible to present your position as unquestionable.

I will say it again, the FCT has a special status in the constitution and for anyone to be declared president, he must score 25% in the FCT. That’s a constitutional provision. And until the courts interpret it otherwise and establish a contrary authority, don’t question my position.

Absolute nonsense, what special status? in election matters the FCT is considered the 37th state of the federation.

So to become commander in Chief, one needs to win two third of 37, instead of 36.

Penguin2:
I’ve been seeing a lot of Tinubu supporters celebrating and rejoicing in ignorance because Tinubu’s lawyers submitted Labour Party membership register that Obi’s name was not in.

Where are these celebrations taking place?

Peter Obi came third with a deficit of 2 million votes to the winner, why the heck should President Tinubu or his supporters care enough to want him disqualified?

It's like Bendel Insurance qualifying for the FA Cup final and the other semi final being between Gateway FC and Ikorodu FC. Why would Bendel insurance even send anyone to scout the match?

The truth is that Peter Obi served President Tinubu well by grabbing a fistful of Atiku votes. If Peter Obi is disqualified today on a technicality and the election is rerun, President Tinubu will be very concerned. If Atiku is disqualified, President Tinubu wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

You overrate Pétérù's importance in the grand scheme of things.

aswani:


Where are these celebrations taking place?

Peter Obi came third with a deficit of 2 million votes to the winner, why the heck should President Tinubu or his supporters care enough to want him disqualified?

It's like Bendel Insurance qualifying for the FA Cup final and the other semi final being between Gateway FC and Ikorodu FC. Why would Bendel insurance even send anyone to scout the match?

The truth is that Peter Obi served President Tinubu well by grabbing a fistful of Atiku votes. If Peter Obi is disqualified today on a technicality and the election is rerun, President Tinubu will be very concerned. If Atiku is disqualified, President Tinubu wouldn't even bat an eyelid.

You overrate Pétérù's importance in the grand scheme of things.

A highly overrated loser, that was used by APC to win the general election.

After all said & done, Peter Gringory Obi, was a curse to his Oga Abubakar Atiku.

Penguin2:

I agree with you that arguments should not be about who wins it but about the education and enlightenment it provides. But I refuse to be categorized as someone who argues to win rather than arguing to learn.

Like in this situation, we are all speculating on what the judges will likely rule. And you dare not claim to know what they would decide and provide it as a fact that should not be questioned.

You, I, Fergie, non of us know anything for sure. And until the court rules, it’s reprehensible to present your position as unquestionable.

I will say it again, the FCT has a special status in the constitution and for anyone to be declared president, he must score 25% in the FCT. That’s a constitutional provision. And until the courts interpret it otherwise and establish a contrary authority, don’t question my position.

I have gone back and forth with this FCT status thing. I mean it does make sense; FCT doesn’t get to elect its own Governor and has only one senator. It is the capital territory and is expected to be the most diverse in the country. It’s not really a huge ask to require that the candidate that wins the popular vote and also has spread in 24 states in the country also has to get just 1/4th of the votes here. It does say a lot that Tinubu couldn’t secure it here. The English interpretation of that line leans towards FCT being required as well.

On the other hand, the strongest argument against the FCT requirement in my opinion is not the lazy section 299 but rather the consistent use of the phrase “states of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja” in the constitution. That kind of negates the strength of the “and” used in that line since the constitution consistently uses that phrase throughout the document.

It’s definitely open to interpretation so I’m fully expecting the courts to go with the ruling party if I’m being honest

Penguin2:

I agree with you that arguments should not be about who wins it but about the education and enlightenment it provides. But I refuse to be categorized as someone who argues to win rather than arguing to learn.

Like in this situation, we are all speculating on what the judges will likely rule. And you dare not claim to know what they would decide and provide it as a fact that should not be questioned.

You, I, Fergie, non of us know anything for sure. And until the court rules, it’s reprehensible to present your position as unquestionable.

I will say it again, the FCT has a special status in the constitution and for anyone to be declared president, he must score 25% in the FCT. That’s a constitutional provision. And until the courts interpret it otherwise and establish a contrary authority, don’t question my position.

Fair enough but based on my estimation,they are 90% going to rule against fct.if it happens,I don't want you to say they were bribed or coerced.

wegevv:


I have gone back and forth with this FCT status thing. I mean it does make sense; FCT doesn’t get to elect its own Governor and has only one senator. It is the capital territory and is expected to be the most diverse in the country. It’s not really a huge ask to require that the candidate that wins the popular vote and also has spread in 24 states in the country also has to get just 1/4th of the votes here. It does say a lot that Tinubu couldn’t secure it here. The English interpretation of that line leans towards FCT being required as well.

On the other hand, the strongest argument against the FCT requirement in my opinion is not the lazy section 299 but rather the consistent use of the phrase “states of the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja” in the constitution. That kind of negates the strength of the “and” used in that line since the constitution consistently uses that phrase throughout the document.

It’s definitely open to interpretation so I’m fully expecting the courts to go with the ruling party if I’m being honest

Yeah. You do have a point. It’s a double-edged sword that could cut either way. But with the document of the committee on FCT having been provided in court, I now have a firmer conviction that that argument is not as easy as it seems.

But we keep our fingers crossed.

Lotanna2:


Fair enough but based on my estimation,they are 90% going to rule against fct.if it happens,I don't want you to say they were bribed or coerced.

You know sometimes I suspect you guys as agents of government commissioned to water the ground for a likely outcome that would totally be antithetical to the provisions of law. That’s why some of you sound so authoritative and convinced sometimes while we are left speculating.

But whether you are commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome or not, one thing is certain - that the 2023 general election was heavily flawed and manipulated to achieve a predetermined outcome. Any ruling from the judiciary that upholds, in its totality, the outcome of the election will forever remain questionable and seen to have been coerced or bought.

Penguin2:

You know sometimes I suspect you guys as agents of government commissioned to water the ground for a likely outcome that would totally be antithetical to the provisions of law. That’s why some of you sound so authoritative and convinced sometimes while we are left speculating.

But whether you are commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome or not, one thing is certain - that the 2023 general election was heavily flawed and manipulated to achieve a predetermined outcome. Any ruling from the judiciary that upholds, in its totality, the outcome of the election will forever remain questionable and seen to have been coerced or bought.

I only sound certain or authoritative if I am cocksure.during the shettima case,I wasn't sure.i was afraid.worst case scenario is a rerun in 18000 units.but instead of comparing results like uzodinma,he depended on secondary results.
Tbh,this election is the best since 1999.there was so much improvement.lp witnesses agreed that the polls were free and fair,their only issue was in terms of upload of results.obi failed to prove his case.when he couldn't prove how he won,he started talking of irregularities and when he couldn't prove it,he now looked at disq tinubu and after that failed,he is now depending on targeting apc witnesses forgetting that a petitioner will succeed on the strength of his case and not on the weakness of defence.

Lotanna2:



I only sound certain or authoritative if I am cocksure.during the shettima case,I wasn't sure.i was afraid.worst case scenario is a rerun in 18000 units.but instead of comparing results like uzodinma,he depended on secondary results.
Tbh,this election is the best since 1999.there was so much improvement.lp witnesses agreed that the polls were free and fair,their only issue was in terms of upload of results.obi failed to prove his case.when he couldn't prove how he won,he started talking of irregularities and when he couldn't prove it,he now looked at disq tinubu and after that failed,he is now depending on targeting apc witnesses forgetting that a petitioner will succeed on the strength of his case and not on the weakness of defence.

I keep asking you, are you aware that OP submitted form EC8A for all the states he’s contesting their results?

And following the Supreme Court ruling that form EC8A is the primary source of data for an election, why do you keep discountenancing that fact?

So, it’s usually funny when you say that Obi has not proven his case; maybe because he hasn’t quoted figures.

But let’s take Uzodimma’s case for example, all his time in court, did he quote any figure for the court? No. His only prayer was that his votes were wrongly canceled in about 133 polling units. And that if that cancellation is voided, he won the election.

Now, when the Supreme Court agreed with him, it was the Supreme Court that did the tabulation and came up with a figure.

So, what were you really expecting Obi to do?

Penguin2:


I keep asking you, are you aware that OP submitted form EC8A for all the states he’s contesting their results?

And following the Supreme Court ruling that form EC8A is the primary source of data for an election, why do you keep discountenancing that fact?

So, it’s usually funny when you say that Obi has not proven his case; maybe because he hasn’t quoted figures.

But let’s take Uzodimma’s case for example, all his time in court, did he quote any figure for the court? No. His only prayer was that his votes were wrongly canceled in about 133 polling units. And that if that cancellation is voided, he won the election.

Now, when the Supreme Court agreed with him, it was the Supreme Court that did the tabulation and came up with a figure.

So, what were you really expecting Obi to do?

What has obi done with all the ec8a tendered? What has he showcased or proven? Why did he now calculate based on only irev without comparing with other copies? You are mistaken about hope.go back and read his petition from the tribunal.i have the appeal court judgment here if you want it.hope lay everything bare.he stated clearly that his total votes in those omitted units were 213,000 while pdp scored 1900.that is what gov ajasin did in 1983.that is what sen uchendu did in 2018 against George sekibo,what adeleke did in 2018 before technicality set in.evej atiku tried to do this in 2019.you must calculate and lay everything before the judges.they will now crosscheck,verify and review.they will not do your job for you.it is a tribunal with just 6 months and not a civil court with limitless time...

All obi needed to do is simple.count all the votes in irev,lp copies,police copies ,inec copies and record them.check to see if you win in any copy.or get forensics to identify all votes,stolen,invalid etc and properly record them.if obi won,it would show.if he didn't and he noticed mass irregularities,it will show.there is no need to target 20 or more states.if actually he lost,all he needed was to investigate the votes from the ne/nw where obi did poorly and some SW states to see if he can detect invalid votes and reduce tinubu votes.since he believes he won Lagos and plateau by bigger margins,why not recount those two states? Atiku tried to do this in 2019.oyetola tried to do this.obi can even target areas where tinubu won that was fraught with overvoting.this thing is very simple.instead,he brought truckloads of results,documents and kept it in the court without explanation of what he found.does he think the judges will count or go through it when he didn't lead evidence? Instead of a detailed explanation,he is yapping about glitches,servers,tinubu qualification,nitda etc that will not help him.what is so hard in getting polling unit based evidences?

Anyway,I just discovered that the executive orders signed by tinubu was masterminded by imo commissioner of finance Mrs Doris nkeiruka anite.see how bat spots talents and utilize them nationally?

Penguin2:

But whether you are commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome or not, one thing is certain - that the 2023 general election was heavily flawed and manipulated to achieve a predetermined outcome. Any ruling from the judiciary that upholds, in its totality, the outcome of the election will forever remain questionable and seen to have been coerced or bought.

Without mincing words, the Tribunal judges are not ruling on how fair the elections are, they are going to make their decisions based on the proof they receive from the petitioner.

The Tribunal is a court of law, not a court of public opinion.

Quote frankly, Peter Obi's sole focus should have been on getting the raw numbers required to overturn the election results. He clearly didn't have them and so decided to play to the gallery instead, what a shame considering the importance of what was at stake.

Lotanna2:


What has obi done with all the ec8a tendered? What has he showcased or proven? Why did he now calculate based on only irev without comparing with other copies? You are mistaken about hope.go back and read his petition from the tribunal.i have the appeal court judgment here if you want it.hope lay everything bare.he stated clearly that his total votes in those omitted units were 213,000 while pdp scored 1900.that is what gov ajasin did in 1983.that is what sen uchendu did in 2018 against George sekibo,what adeleke did in 2018 before technicality set in.evej atiku tried to do this in 2019.you must calculate and lay everything before the judges.they will now crosscheck,verify and review.they will not do your job for you.it is a tribunal with just 6 months and not a civil court with limitless time...

All obi needed to do is simple.count all the votes in irev,lp copies,police copies ,inec copies and record them.check to see if you win in any copy.or get forensics to identify all votes,stolen,invalid etc and properly record them.if obi won,it would show.if he didn't and he noticed mass irregularities,it will show.there is no need to target 20 or more states.if actually he lost,all he needed was to investigate the votes from the ne/nw where obi did poorly and some SW states to see if he can detect invalid votes and reduce tinubu votes.since he believes he won Lagos and plateau by bigger margins,why not recount those two states? Atiku tried to do this in 2019.oyetola tried to do this.obi can even target areas where tinubu won that was fraught with overvoting.this thing is very simple.instead,he brought truckloads of results,documents and kept it in the court without explanation of what he found.does he think the judges will count or go through it when he didn't lead evidence? Instead of a detailed explanation,he is yapping about glitches,servers,tinubu qualification,nitda etc that will not help him.what is so hard in getting polling unit based evidences?

Anyway,I just discovered that the executive orders signed by tinubu was masterminded by imo commissioner of finance Mrs Doris nkeiruka anite.see how bat spots talents and utilize them nationally?

Let’s just allow the Judiciary to do their job.

Because I know that maybe one reason Obi didn’t go into calculation was because of time constraints. It’s easier to do that in a few polling units. But it becomes difficult when you have thousands of polling units with limited time.

About Uzodimma’s commissioner, I think he might play a prominent role in Tinubu’s government. And with battered opposition in Imo, I won’t be surprised if he retains his seat.

aswani:


Without mincing words, the Tribunal judges are not ruling on how fair the elections are, they are going to make their decisions based on the proof they receive from the petitioner.

The Tribunal is a court of law, not a court of public opinion.

Quote frankly, Peter Obi's sole focus should have been on getting the raw numbers required to overturn the election results. He clearly didn't have them and so decided to play to the gallery instead, what a shame considering the importance of what was at stake.

So, since Obi didn’t quote figures, therefore his case was not good enough?

Penguin2:

Let’s just allow the Judiciary to do their job.

Because I know that maybe one reason Obi didn’t go into calculation was because of time constraints. It’s easier to do that in a few polling units. But it becomes difficult when you have thousands of polling units with limited time.

About Uzodimma’s commissioner, I think he might play a prominent role in Tinubu’s government. And with battered opposition in Imo, I won’t be surprised if he retains his seat.

Since there was no time,he should have isolated about 6 to 12 states to make it easier and counting.the time constraint and difficulty in counting is why we say it's impossible to upturn a presidential election in nigeria.even the imo case,uzo had to target 338 units.if buhari with 2 years couldn't achieve anything in 2007,then obi cannot.

I like Mrs Doris and her accent,she looks like an half cast,reminds me of Sally mbanefo of ntdc during gej time.tinubu may give her a higher post,that's how kemi was promoted from commissioner...
Hope is a political fraudster,always outsmarting his opponents yet you guys still underrate him.i think he compromised Sam anyanwu and used him to rubbish ihedioha.then, entered into a pact with ihedioha to handover to him in 4 years.he has brought ohakim closer.hes the only igboman that can move very high at federal level

Penguin2:


So, since Obi didn’t quote figures, therefore his case was not good enough?

True.it shows he is not sure of what he wants.justice kekere ekun said you must not just prove irregularities but show how it affects the election and your margins.election is maths.the tribunal simply review and analyse issues.the best way is to present them with raw figures like hope and sekibo did.ok if there was rigging,how many units were affected,how many votes are involved and from final deduction,what is left? Can you give us a specimen of the invalid votes

Penguin2:


So, since Obi didn’t quote figures, therefore his case was not good enough?

It is not a science experiment where you are allowed to extrapolate information based on a sample.

Tribunals quite rightly require a high burden of proof to overturn results and LP's lawyers did not get anywhere near it.

If you want to know the kind of herculean effort required to overturn results, Google what Tinubu and Oshiomole had to do to overturn the Edo state gubernatorial results in their favour. And that was just for a relatively small state that Edo is.

Lotanna2:


Since there was no time,he should have isolated about 6 to 12 states to make it easier and counting.the time constraint and difficulty in counting is why we say it's impossible to upturn a presidential election in nigeria.even the imo case,uzo had to target 338 units.if buhari with 2 years couldn't achieve anything in 2007,then obi cannot.

I like Mrs Doris and her accent,she looks like an half cast,reminds me of Sally mbanefo of ntdc during gej time.tinubu may give her a higher post,that's how kemi was promoted from commissioner...
Hope is a political fraudster,always outsmarting his opponents yet you guys still underrate him.i think he compromised Sam anyanwu and used him to rubbish ihedioha.then, entered into a pact with ihedioha to handover to him in 4 years.he has brought ohakim closer.hes the only igboman that can move very high at federal level

If Uzodimma is the man to take the chance of Igbos, we might as well continue to stay without the presidency.

Penguin2:

If Uzodimma is the man to take the chance of Igbos, we might as well continue to stay without the presidency.

Uzodinma is not bad,at least he understands political balancing.the man is not doing badly in imo

Lotanna2:


True.it shows he is not sure of what he wants.justice kekere ekun said you must not just prove irregularities but show how it affects the election and your margins.election is maths.the tribunal simply review and analyse issues.the best way is to present them with raw figures like hope and sekibo did.ok if there was rigging,how many units were affected,how many votes are involved and from final deduction,what is left? Can you give us a specimen of the invalid votes

Lol!

You keep forgetting that you are talking about a man that has prosecuted election fraud before and came out victorious. Have you asked if he quoted figures then?

And do you claim to know better than all the SANs prosecuting Obi’s case?

You have knowledge of legal procedures and judicial precedents more than they do?

aswani:


It is not a science experiment where you are allowed to extrapolate information based on a sample.

Tribunals quite rightly require a high burden of proof to overturn results and LP's lawyers did not get anywhere near it.

If you want to know the kind of herculean effort required to overturn results, Google what Tinubu and Oshiomole had to do to overturn the Edo state gubernatorial results in their favour. And that was just for a relatively small state that Edo is.

Lol!

The funny thing is that you forgot you are talking about a man who has prosecuted electoral fraud before and returned victorious.

Before Oshiomole, there was already Obi.

Are you now saying that the man who successfully retrieved his mandate from the court in 2006 doesn’t know how to prosecute electoral case in 2023?

And are you guys claiming to know better than all the SANs prosecuting Obi’s case?

You know better than Ikpeazu who has successfully retrieved more than one mandate from the Supreme Court?

You know more than Livy Uzoukwu, Okutekpa, Ananamba, and other legal luminaries who have practiced law for most part of their life?

Penguin2:

Lol!

You keep forgetting that you are talking about a man that has prosecuted election fraud before and came out victorious. Have you asked if he quoted figures then?

And do you claim to know better than all the SANs prosecuting Obi’s case?

You have knowledge of legal procedures and judicial precedents more than they do?

Nobody has monopoly of knowledge.when you keep practicing at something,you develop new tricks and break grounds.i am a slow learner but once I grasp full knowledge of things,I best my tutors.
Everything was laid in court,nothing is secret esp with social media obidients.obi won when cases usually ends at appeal court and standard of proofs was easier and more flexible.by them,everyone underrated obi.

Lotanna2:


Nobody has monopoly of knowledge.when you keep practicing at something,you develop new tricks and break grounds.i am a slow learner but once I grasp full knowledge of things,I best my tutors.
Everything was laid in court,nothing is secret esp with social media obidients.obi won when cases usually ends at appeal court and standard of proofs was easier and more flexible.by them,everyone underrated obi.

And now? Are you not underrating Obi?

Did you not underrate Obi before the election? And still underrating him at the Tribunal?

Meanwhile, I insist that whatever you think you know, I refuse to believe that you know more than the retinue of senior lawyers prosecuting Obi’s case.

I’m not saying they may have done the best job but I refuse to conform to your dismissive approach to what they have done in court.

If anything, somebody like Ikpeazu has successfully retrieved 2 governorship seats from the Supreme Court that I know of; one as recent as March of this year. I find it abhorrent that you would now suggest that such a man does not know how best to lay evidences in court.

Penguin2:

Lol!

The funny thing is that you forgot you are talking about a man who has prosecuted electoral fraud before and returned victorious.

Before Oshiomole, there was already Obi.

Are you now saying that the man who successfully retrieved his mandate from the court in 2006 doesn’t know how to prosecute electoral case in 2023?

And are you guys claiming to know better than all the SANs prosecuting Obi’s case?

You know better than Ikpeazu who has successfully retrieved more than one mandate from the Supreme Court?

You know more than Livy Uzoukwu, Okutekpa, Ananamba, and other legal luminaries who have practiced law for most part of their life?

You might be comfortable with allowing big men to intimidate you when you yourself can identify nonsense going on even with your laymans knowledge, I am not.

Obi and his mighty SAN's are yet to prove anything.

Penguin2:

And now? Are you not underrating Obi?

Did you not underrate Obi before the election? And still underrating him at the Tribunal?

Meanwhile, I insist that whatever you think you know, I refuse to believe that you know more than the retinue of senior lawyers prosecuting Obi’s case.

I’m not saying they may have done the best job but I refuse to conform to your dismissive approach to what they have done in court.

If anything, somebody like Ikpeazu has successfully retrieved 2 governorship seats from the Supreme Court that I know of; one as recent as March of this year. I find it abhorrent that you would now suggest that such a man does not know how best to lay evidences in court.

Ikpeazu did not retrieve adeleke mandate,he already won the polls.winning at the supreme court was a formality.being on the defence team is easy than being a petitioner.apart from obi's 2006 victory,his other victories were from a defensive point.in this obi case,he is not the lead lawyer.he is even third in line.he gave legal advise to atiku team in 2019.

I never underrated obi,I am the only batist here that believed obi will finish second beating atiku and had the best chance of winning tinubu.i still believed his real votes placed him above atiku afterall atiku won just one region.i knew obi would have over 5 mil votes.how did I know? I simply gauged his strongholds,support and campaign.atiku even tried more than obi in court tbh.

Lotanna2:


Ikpeazu did not retrieve adeleke mandate,he already won the polls.winning at the supreme court was a formality.being on the defence team is easy than being a petitioner.apart from obi's 2006 victory,his other victories were from a defensive point.in this obi case,he is not the lead lawyer.he is even third in line.he gave legal advise to atiku team in 2019.

I never underrated obi,I am the only batist here that believed obi will finish second beating atiku and had the best chance of winning tinubu.i still believed his real votes placed him above atiku afterall atiku won just one region.i knew obi would have over 5 mil votes.how did I know? I simply gauged his strongholds,support and campaign.atiku even tried more than obi in court tbh.

It doesn’t matter the standpoint or side that Ikpeazu has always stood in his cases, does it deny him of the experience?

And does being 3rd in line in the Obi petition mean he will not offer his full legal services and bring his experience to bare on the case?

Like I said before, I’m not saying they have done the best of jobs, but I won’t let you dismiss their efforts until the court rules.

By the way, what have you to say on INEC and Tinubu’s poor defence? I know you and Fergie always argue that a petitioner cannot be hoping to win his case based on weak defence of the respondent, but did you expect INEC, Tinubu and APC defence to be this shabby?

Tinubu’s star witness was asked, “how many states are in Nigeria”, and he fell yakata and said “36”. Does that not make mess of all the arguments you people have been making here that Abuja is a state?

See, you can’t claim this case is Uhuru for Tinubu, you just can’t.