What you highlighted in blue is in the Quran.

Call them by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers - then they are [still] your brothers in religion and those entrusted to you. And there is no blame upon you for that in which you have erred but [only for] what your hearts intended. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Surah Al-Ahzab verse 5

Confirm this verse is in the Quran. Never deleted!

TenQ:
Is it true that one of the DELETED verse on breastfeeding adult men in the Qur'an is

Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients.


No wonder, the Qur'an of Abu Bakr and the Qur'an of Uthman disappeared and totally vanished only to be replaced with a Narration


EVIDENCE :

Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.

Here above is a much detailed and clearer hadith that explains the command of breastfeeding.

Note the verse deleted from the Qur'an highlighted in YELLOW!


Is the Hadith above a Fabrication?

Please tell me that the Hadith above is untrustworthy!



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What you highlighted in blue is in the Quran.

Call them by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers - then they are [still] your brothers in religion and those entrusted to you. And there is no blame upon you for that in which you have erred but [only for] what your hearts intended. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Surah Al-Ahzab verse 5

Confirm this verse is in the Quran. Never deleted!

Thank you for the observation .
The verse in blue indeed was not deleted

Qur'an 33:5
"Call them by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers - then they are [still] your brothers in religion and those entrusted to you. And there is no blame upon you for that in which you have erred but [only for] what your hearts intended. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."

The deleted verse is that of the command of BREASTFEEDING adult men 10 and then 5 times. This gives the context for Qur'an 33:5.

Several hadiths attest to the fact that the verse on breastfeeding adult 10 times was revealed by Allah. It was then abrogated to 5 times. Unfortunately, both the 10 and 5 times of breastfeeding command is found absent in the modern Qur'an


Thank you

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An important point about Rida’ al-Kabir (breastfeeding adult males) is that in order for a strange man and a woman to get Mahram, a skin contact needs to be established first between them and that such a practice is Haram (unlawful) as a matter of fact.

Many early Islamic laws were like that my brother.

Like:
-The Law of Mutah allowed by Allah in the Qur'an.
-The Law of Divorce where Allah allowed pre-pubescent girls to be divorced.

Don't forget that through Mohammed Salim broke the rule of lawfulness as his mouth contacted the breast of (was it Aisha). Should we not follow the example of the prophet because of modernisation?


Can any Muslim claim that he knows better than Mohammed?

Salim's case is exceptional.

Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma’qal…Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur’an “Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers….”Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be one’s own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…” (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and a adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled.

Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

You insist on hadith reports yet Abu Bakr burnt his own collection despite his closeness to the Prophet.

The prophet disliked and did not approve writing other than the Quran.

A lot of the hadith started getting collected a century after Prophet Muhammad had died. What is to be believed? the Prophet's rendition of what Allah revealed to him or what others who may over praise or mischievously say things that aren't true? More so considering the time lapse.

It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst the majority of the Muslim jurists (fuqaha) that suckling is not permitted after two (or 2 and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage.

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said: “…suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455). Providing this from the same line of hadith you refer strongly to.
The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said: “Suckling (radha’a) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (m: meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning.” (Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

TenQ:

1. If you can tell me what the Messiah mean from the Qur'an, maybe!
2. I speak of the Messiah as spoken by the prophets of God like Moses, Isaiah, Daniel, Zachariah, Ezekiel, Micah, Hosea, Zechariah and Malachi
3. I speak of the Messiah who was and is and is to come.


It is amazing that You Muslims never discuss WHEN Allah and Jesus spoke the verse you acclaimed to him in Qur'an 5:114-118

4. When did Allah ask Jesus the Question?

This another demonstration of being fake and Adulterated Islamic teacher, whose is unaware or ignorant of Islamic theology, yet bragging about knowing Islam more than the Muslims.

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Salim's case is excepexceptional.

Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma’qal…Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur’an “Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers….”Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be one’s own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…” (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and a adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled.

Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

You will see how he will twist, misinterpretate and draw irrelevant inferences from your explanation.

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Salim's case is exceptional.

Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma’qal…Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur’an “Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers….”Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be one’s own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…” (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and a adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled.

Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

I agree with most of what you said as per the history with respect to breastfeeding of adults except for the method by which it is done.

I think my question was clear.
1. I just read a chunk of Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and I find no such thing like Salim would drink milk for five continous days. Perhaps you can give me the link. I have the pdf of Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d, nothing like that is there
As you said:
It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it.

2. We have established that the command of Breastfeeding adults was given by Allah. The problem is HOW is it done?
Salim's case is an example : all the Sahih hadiths showed that for Salim, it was the direct Suckling of a woman's breast. Aisha also commanded it for her sisters BUT the other wives of Mohammed did not like it.


Looking at the Sahih Hadiths again:
1. The verse of Breastfeeding was revealed

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


2. As of the time Mohammed passed away, the verse on Breastfeeding was being Recited

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."


3. Other wives of Mohammed refused to Breastfeed a man unless he is an infant. They claimed that they thought that the case of Salim was a concession. Do you think they expressed milk for babies?

Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.


4. I am sure you know the meaning of SUCKLE HIM!?
It is different from give him milk to drink. This is the instruction of Prophet Mohammed.
Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…

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You insist on hadith reports yet Abu Bakr burnt his own collection despite his closeness to the Prophet.

The prophet disliked and did not approve writing other than the Quran.

A lot of the hadith started getting collected a century after Prophet Muhammad had died. What is to be believed? the Prophet's rendition of what Allah revealed to him or what others who may over praise or mischievously say things that aren't true? More so considering the time lapse.

Abu Bakr did NOT burn his Qur'an.

It was Uthman that burned ALL variant Qur'an from EVERYONE who had his own codex.

I agree with you that Mohammed forbade Muslims from taking hadiths from him. Unfortunately, who are we to blame other than Muslims who decided to collect every hadith about Mohammed.

Of course this is both good and bad. Without your hadiths and other books, the Qur'an would have been completely confusing. The hadiths unfortunately has contradictions and its own confusion added to the Qur'an. It is not the fault of Christians o.

Are you a Qur'an only Muslim?

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It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst the majority of the Muslim jurists (fuqaha) that suckling is not permitted after two (or 2 and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage.

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said: “…suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455). Providing this from the same line of hadith you refer strongly to.
The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said: “Suckling (radha’a) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (m: meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning.” (Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

I agree with you, but these were later modifications to the law of Suckling of adult men
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1. It was a tradition carried out in the pre-Islamic times among the Arabs
2. During Mohammeds lifetime, he commanded it (Salim is an example)

Other modifications of the Islamic laws include the law of Mutah!
It used to be allowed during the time of the prophet up to the time of Uthman
Nowadays, you Sunni Muslims abrogated Mutah.

Such is the case with Breastfeeding of adults.


But my argument is NOT about the morality of the act or not. My argument is that Verses of Breastfeeding was revealed by Allah in the Qur'an But now it is no where to be found

Who deleted it from the Qur'an?

1. Write out the exact verse or verses you allege were deleted.

2. Provide names of adult males breastfed with evidence.

Abu Bakr did not burn his Quran but handed it over to Umar who handed it down to his daughter who was a wife of the prophet.

What he burnt were his collection of hadith and reason for this has been stated.

gaskiyamagana:

This another demonstration of being fake and Adulterated Islamic teacher, whose is unaware or ignorant of Islamic theology, yet bragging about knowing Islam more than the Muslims.

Have I ever claimed to know Islam more than Muslims?
No Sir!

The difference between us is that when I read the Qur'an or Hadith or Tafsir, I ask Questions BUT you don't ask Questions.

When I ask you these same Questions, you get angry and think it is pride.

According to Islamic theology, What is the meaning of the title Messiah!

The Jews know the meaning, this is why they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The Christian's know who the Messiah is and that's why they can say Jesus is the Messiah.

Now, for you Muslims, what does the title Messiah mean?

gaskiyamagana:

You will see how he will twist, misinterpretate and draw irrelevant inferences from your explanation.

Please check my response to him out!

LOL!

The problem is that you despise the Truth whenever it says what you want to hear!

TenQ:

Please check my response to him out!

LOL!

The problem is that you despise the Truth whenever it says what you want to hear!

-Truth from who?
-What are the sources of your truth?
- Bible of Jeremiah 8:8 quality?
-Fake and fabricated Hadiths?
-Lost but found QUR'AN?
-Islamic misguidance motivated web sites?
-Misinterpreted, misconception, misunderstood and misrepresented Islamic matter?
- Anti Islam Robotical reasoning?

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What you highlighted in blue is in the Quran.

Call them by [the names of] their fathers; it is more just in the sight of Allah. But if you do not know their fathers - then they are [still] your brothers in religion and those entrusted to you. And there is no blame upon you for that in which you have erred but [only for] what your hearts intended. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
Surah Al-Ahzab verse 5

Confirm this verse is in the Quran. Never deleted!

Pls stop responding to this person! He is not a seeker of knowledge or truth. He is only looking for a Muslim whom he can waste his/her time. No matter how hard you proof him wrong, he won't concur. Who knows, He may be Izang, korede or one of their boys. They always copy one of their members who claimed to have knowledge about Islam.

Bro. I can tell you that they have a published book on this lies they carry all around.

It was reported that they both gift one former pastor millions of naira and other valuables to denounce Islam and return to Christianity.

TenQ:

Have I ever claimed to know Islam more than Muslims?
No Sir!

The difference between us is that when I read the Qur'an or Hadith or Tafsir, I ask Questions BUT you don't ask Questions.

When I ask you these same Questions, you get angry and think it is pride.


According to Islamic theology, What is the meaning of the title Messiah!

The Jews know the meaning, this is why they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The Christian's know who the Messiah is and that's why they can say Jesus is the Messiah.

Now, for you Muslims, what does the title Messiah mean?

Islamic theology l am referring you to is about one of your trivial questions that where did Allah and Jesus engage in Q5:114-118.
Go and read Chapters 5 and 19 of the Qur'an for understanding of Messiah in Islam.

TenQ:

Have I ever claimed to know Islam more than Muslims?
No Sir!

The difference between us is that when I read the Qur'an or Hadith or Tafsir, I ask Questions BUT you don't ask Questions.

When I ask you these same Questions, you get angry and think it is pride.

According to Islamic theology, What is the meaning of the title Messiah!

The Jews know the meaning, this is why they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. The Christian's know who the Messiah is and that's why they can say Jesus is the Messiah.

Now, for you Muslims, what does the title Messiah mean?

Messiah mean the ANOINTED. By the way, what does this has to do with all these filth you are writing here and there?

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1. Write out the exact verse or verses you allege were deleted.

How can I show you verses that have been deleted from the modern Qur'an especially when no one knows where the copy of the Qur'an of Abu Bakr and the Qur'an of Uthman are.

However, I can give you sahih hadiths to show that Allah revealed verses which are not found anywhere in the modern Quran.


Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

1. The verse of breastftwas revealed by Allah
2. The 10 times breastfeeding was abrogated ant reduced to 5 times breastfeeding.

Both the 10 times breastfeeding and the 5 times breastfeeding are DELETED from the modern Qur'an.

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2. Provide names of adult males breastfed with evidence.

Salim was breastfed according to the instruction of Mohammed.

Evidence:
Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.

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Abu Bakr did not burn his Quran but handed it over to Umar who handed it down to his daughter who was a wife of the prophet.

What he burnt were his collection of hadith and reason for this has been stated.

No problem with this.
Mohammed commanded Muslims not to take hadiths from him anyways!

gaskiyamagana:

-Truth from who?
-What are the sources of your truth?
- Bible of Jeremiah 8:8 quality?
-Fake and fabricated Hadiths?
-Lost but found QUR'AN?
-Islamic misguidance motivated web sites?
-Misinterpreted, misconception, misunderstood and misrepresented Islamic matter?
- Anti Islam Robotical reasoning?

Why is anything you don't like or find embarrassing in your spiritual books and literatures Fabricated.

At least, we can confirm that these are books written by Muslims for Muslims.

You cannot allege something to be deleted if it is not properly identified. We have gone through hadith being a secondary source which may be unreliable.
Allah says he will protect the Quran not hadith. which the Prophet was not in support of its documentation.

You are quite obsessed with a fixation of a missing Quran of Abu Bakr. Is it different from others? Please explain how.

This Quran that has a sustainable link of being passed down through the following Caliph then to his daughter and was used by Uthman the Caliph after to produce Quran in Qureysh dialect.

Unlike now most people knew the Quran by heart.

Your 'sahih hadith' is a statement saying so. More evidence of proof is required so tell us the deleted texts and name other males other than Salim which is an exceptional case.

You are bantering not much other than hearsay unless you can bring on anyother proof.


Hearsay may arise where a document is adduced in evidence which was created by a witness who is absent from the trial

TenQ:

How can I show you verses that have been deleted from the modern Qur'an especially when no one knows where the copy of the Qur'an of Abu Bakr and the Qur'an of Uthman are.

However, I can give you sahih hadiths to show that Allah revealed verses which are not found anywhere in the modern Quran.


Hearsay may arise where a document is adduced in evidence which was created by a witness who is absent from the trial

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

1. The verse of breastftwas revealed by Allah
2. The 10 times breastfeeding was abrogated ant reduced to 5 times breastfeeding.

Both the 10 times breastfeeding and the 5 times breastfeeding are DELETED from the modern Qur'an.




Salim was breastfed according to the instruction of Mohammed.

Evidence:
Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.



No problem with this.
Mohammed commanded Muslims not to take hadiths from him anyways!

You can see that I answered ALL your questions with PROOFS.
Your argument now is to discredit the Hadiths.

*Are you saying that the Hadiths of Mohammed are ALL lies?
*Should we trust the gradings given to your hadiths by Muslim scholars or not?
*When should we trust a Hadith?

Explore2xmore:
You cannot allege something to be deleted if it is not properly identified. We have gone through hadith being a secondary source which may be unreliable.
Allah says he will protect the Quran not hadith. which the Prophet was not in support of its documentation.

You are quite obsessed with a fixation of a missing Quran of Abu Bakr. Is it different from others? Please explain how.

This Quran that has a sustainable link of being passed down through the following Caliph then to his daughter and was used by Uthman the Caliph after to produce Quran in Qureysh dialect.

Unlike now most people knew the Quran by heart.

Your 'sahih hadith' is a statement saying so. More evidence of proof is required so tell us the deleted texts and name other males other than Salim which is an exceptional case.

You are bantering not much other than hearsay unless you can bring on anyother proof.

I perfectly answered your questions
1. What was deleted :
The verse on breastfeeding Adult men 10 times which was later abrogated to 5 times.

2. Is it in the modern Qur'an?
No. It is completely absent

3. Is there evidence that it was Recited as Qur'an?
Yes. Several Sahih hadiths say that
a. Allah revealed it
b. It was recited while it was ten times breastfeeding till it was abrogated to five times.
c. Aisha claimed to have it written on a patchment which a tame sheep ate while they were mourning the death of Mohammed.
d. The verses were still being recited by the time of death of Mohammed.

4. Are the Hadiths Hassan?
All the hadiths are Sahih except where Aisha claimed a sheep ate the verse of stoning and breastfeeding. Even this hadith is Hassan!


We can only use Data provided by Muslims as EVIDENCE for Islam.


Are you a Qur'an only Muslim?

If you are not, then we must use ALL your hadiths especially the ones you call Hassan or Sahih.

TenQ:

Why is anything you don't like or find embarrassing in your spiritual books and literatures Fabricated.

At least, we can confirm that these are books written by Muslims for Muslims.

....Falsified, altered and quoted out of content and context by unbelieving non muslims.

No you have not answered any of my questions.

1. Write out the exact verse or verses you allege were deleted.

2. Provide names of adult males breastfed with evidence. (Naming Salim alone is unacceptable)

You initially claimed a verse and I referred you to it with exact location.
You provided text for this verse.

Another which you lay claim of is entirely from hadith which is most questionable.

The normal practice forbidding marital relations between those who suckled from the same breast is clear.
Q4:23
Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

As mischief makers are unable to corrupt the Quran they look to fabricated hadith as a way to achieve this

Answer my questions please or withdraw your claim.

Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ

gaskiyamagana:

....Falsified, altered and quoted out of content and context by unbelieving non muslims.

All you needed to do is to point them out.

Perhaps there are hadiths that I removed words and inserted my own words to create another meaning?

Perhaps their is Qur'an or Hadith which does not exist but I fabricated it to make a point?

Perhaps their is Qur'an or Hadith which I deleted words to make it say what it didn't say?


I believe anyone can freely ask questions and be answered. I guess my crime is ASKING you QUESTIONS!

Is my crime showing you with evidence that your preferred standard narrative of Islam is false?

If it is, too bad!
I would prefer that you know the truth that will set you free. I would be guilty of your life if I allow you enter the Fire of Hell without doing my best to warn you.

Peace!

Noted.
However you write about loopholes which bemuses me.

Quran 3:7 states:
(interpretation of the meaning of what Allah says):
“It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkaam (commandments), Al-Faraa’id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudood (laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord.” And none receive admonition except men of understanding”

What is meant here is that the Quran contains verses that are very clear and verses that are not entirely clear. The entirely clear verses (muhkam) are those which are clear and concerning which there is no confusion; this applies to most of the verses of the Qur’aan.
These verses are the “foundations of the Book”. As for the verses which are not entirely clear (mutashaabih) these are verses which may not be clear to some people, in exclusion to others. The scholars know them but the ignorant do not, and there are some which only Allaah knows.

Those who follow the truth refer the verses which are not entirely clear to the verses which are entirely clear, whereas those who follow deviation follow the verses which are not entirely clear, and they use the verses which are not entirely clear to contradict the verses which are entirely clear, for the purpose of creating confusion, distorting and misleading.

You make reference to the Prophet pbuh falling into the Satan's trap. This is very far from the truth so I refer you to:

https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

And in conclusion do enjoy:


https://youtube.com/shorts/p6HgP7E1rPQ?feature=share

TenQ:
Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ

Explore2xmore:
Noted.
However you write about loopholes which bemuses me.

Quran 3:7 states:
(interpretation of the meaning of what Allah says):
“It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkaam (commandments), Al-Faraa’id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudood (laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord.” And none receive admonition except men of understanding”

What is meant here is that the Quran contains verses that are very clear and verses that are not entirely clear. The entirely clear verses (muhkam) are those which are clear and concerning which there is no confusion; this applies to most of the verses of the Qur’aan.
These verses are the “foundations of the Book”. As for the verses which are not entirely clear (mutashaabih) these are verses which may not be clear to some people, in exclusion to others. The scholars know them but the ignorant do not, and there are some which only Allaah knows.

Those who follow the truth refer the verses which are not entirely clear to the verses which are entirely clear, whereas those who follow deviation follow the verses which are not entirely clear, and they use the verses which are not entirely clear to contradict the verses which are entirely clear, for the purpose of creating confusion, distorting and misleading.

You make reference to the Prophet pbuh falling into the Satan's trap. This is very far from the truth so I refer you to:

https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

And in conclusion do enjoy:


https://youtube.com/shorts/p6HgP7E1rPQ?feature=share

Thank you for your time ooo! But I told he won't believe you. I know his mission that's why he doesn't deserve my time.

Explore2xmore:
Noted.
However you write about loopholes which bemuses me.

Quran 3:7 states:
(interpretation of the meaning of what Allah says):
“It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkaam (commandments), Al-Faraa’id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudood (laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord.” And none receive admonition except men of understanding”

What is meant here is that the Quran contains verses that are very clear and verses that are not entirely clear. The entirely clear verses (muhkam) are those which are clear and concerning which there is no confusion; this applies to most of the verses of the Qur’aan.
These verses are the “foundations of the Book”. As for the verses which are not entirely clear (mutashaabih) these are verses which may not be clear to some people, in exclusion to others. The scholars know them but the ignorant do not, and there are some which only Allaah knows.

Those who follow the truth refer the verses which are not entirely clear to the verses which are entirely clear, whereas those who follow deviation follow the verses which are not entirely clear, and they use the verses which are not entirely clear to contradict the verses which are entirely clear, for the purpose of creating confusion, distorting and misleading.

You make reference to the Prophet pbuh falling into the Satan's trap. This is very far from the truth so I refer you to:

https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

And in conclusion do enjoy:


https://youtube.com/shorts/p6HgP7E1rPQ?feature=share

Did the Qur'an say that the sun sets in murky waters?
Is this a True statement?

Did the Qur'an say that hail is cut from mountains in the sky?
Is this a True statement?

Did Mohammed recite the satanic verses?
Were they deleted from Recitation by Allah?

Did Allah allow prostitution for Muslims?
Is this a False statement?

Did Allah reveal the verse on breastfeeding?
Is it in the Qur'an?

It is your books stating the things you don't want to hear not me.

1. This verse doesn’t state the sun goes into a body of water, there are no implications of this at all.
If I tell you I found the sun setting in my basket ball net. Then what would you understand?
Will you fuss saying no science says .....
Or if I say the Sun is rising from behind the hills what will you understand?
If you do that i will put you with fools because this has nothing to do with science here but with how I personally saw the sun.

It looked like it was fading into that but not literally.

2. Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight

The preposition on the translation you have used is misplaced

Hence the confusion.
Mountains of clouds ..is used as a figure of speech used in similar fashion as “metaphor” in English language

3. No.
https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

4. No prostitution is not allowed in Islam. The act of temporary marriage was prominent in the ignorant pagan arabian lifestyle and it was abolished in time. Similar to how drinking alcohol was stopped. Quran 4:24 primarily encourages kindness in marital engagement. Giving the mahr (bride price) to the wife as mutually agreed.

5. What Quran says on breastfeeding is here:
Al-Baqarah 2:233
Mothers may nurse [i.e., breastfeed] their children two complete years for whoever wishes to complete the nursing [period]. Upon the father is their [i.e., the mothers'] provision and their clothing according to what is acceptable. No person is charged with more than his capacity. No mother should be harmed through her child, and no father through his child. And upon the [father's] heir is [a duty] like that [of the father]. And if they both desire weaning through mutual consent from both of them and consultation, there is no blame upon either of them. And if you wish to have your children nursed by a substitute, there is no blame upon you as long as you give payment according to what is acceptable. And fear Allāh and know that Allāh is Seeing of what you do.

Unless you refer to what we trashed out on the claims to breastfeed men.

You do know Muhammad pbuh was mocked by the pagans as writing poetry.

Jazakallahu bro. May he find some use. Interestingly he follows with more or repeated questions for reasons best known to him

rolams:


Thank you for your time ooo! But I told he won't believe you. I know his mission that's why he doesn't deserve my time.

TenQ:

All you needed to do is to point them out.

Perhaps there are hadiths that I removed words and inserted my own words to create another meaning?

Perhaps their is Qur'an or Hadith which does not exist but I fabricated it to make a point?

Perhaps their is Qur'an or Hadith which I deleted words to make it say what it didn't say?


I believe anyone can freely ask questions and be answered. I guess my crime is ASKING you QUESTIONS!

Is my crime showing you with evidence that your preferred standard narrative of Islam is false?

If it is, too bad!
I would prefer that you know the truth that will set you free. I would be guilty of your life if I allow you enter the Fire of Hell without doing my best to warn you.

Peace!

Which hell?
Which fire?
I have said it sometimes ago and still repeating and reminding you and other Christians , dead, alive and unborn, that wasted in advance are your faith, deeds and doctrine as Jesus will disown you and hand you over to Allah to punish you for attributing many falsehood to him against ALLAH and Islam,Q5:14-18