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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 1:13pm On Feb 18 |
headofschool: Awww... Sorry. Keep going, your big break would come. It's happened serially here, but would end in praise. Again, are you sure the rejections were not based on type of visa or number of years left on visa? This is very important - number of years left on visa. All the best. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 1:28pm On Feb 18 |
OmichaelO: If I take the risk of bringing you in on sponsorship, training you on the job etc and then you come to me for reference to go to another company, that thing that gave you the mind to come for the reference will give me the mind to scatter it for you too πππ. Your best bet is use your friend in the company for the reference, not the HR or MD. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 1:40pm On Feb 18 |
Viruses: You assuming he's currently on sponsorship. Might not be. But if he is on a free sponsorship, then it's human to feel shenked |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by AlphaCentaurii: 2:36pm On Feb 18 |
Gurus in the house. Abeg I'm a PhD student in the UK. I have Β£2,500 in my account and I want to fully sponsor my dad's visiting visa. Dad is not working and has no money in his bank account. Please, will the ECO agree Β£2.5k is enough for me to fully sponsor someone? If not, what is the minimum you will advise for me to have in other to sponsor him? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by imback(m): 2:49pm On Feb 18 |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ramafama: 3:27pm On Feb 18 |
Lexusgs430: He/She can put the pension funds into simple low cost index funds like Vanguard. I believe all pension providers charge a fee for management or do you know any free ones? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by wonlasewonimi: 4:33pm On Feb 18 |
Viruses: This is how one behaves when infected by you (virus) 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by makazona(m): 5:51pm On Feb 18 |
ReesheesuKnack: Hello, I don't think this is entirely correct. The last time I checked (2006 to be precise), Waec GCE was still there. If it was discontinued later on, I wouldn't know. Everything you said is correct apart from the timelines. Thanks for your contributions here. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by ehizario2012: 6:37pm On Feb 18 |
wonlasewonimi: Lolz. Don't you think it's even a possibility that Naira won't be able to leave Nigeria very soon?? Or be leaving in bits, maybe $100 per week?? With this yeye circular from CBN stating IOCs can only repatriate 50% of their earnings in FX... Risky business o |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Lexusgs430: 7:35pm On Feb 18 |
Viruses: No be Juju be that....... π€£π Wetin hin go chop in interim and use pay bills...... Whilst awaiting the magical hands of balablu & cbn, to rescue the naira..... π€£ππ |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by CotenantNIG: 8:01pm On Feb 18 |
Hi Guys i want to send some phones to my family members in Nigeria, what is the safest way I can go about it |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by imback(m): 9:10pm On Feb 18 |
House, if someone primarily resident in Nigeria wants to buy a house in the UK, whatβs the way to go about it? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by obioraval(m): 9:17pm On Feb 18 |
headofschool: Do you have teaching experience here or the necessary teaching qualification? I am assuming this is for a FE school |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 10:48pm On Feb 18 |
You have it backwards. Its in Nigeria that you have no power as a minority . If you are feeling helpless here, its because you do not know all the ways you can seek redress. Luckily for us, nearly everything here is googleable. Viruses: 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 10:53pm On Feb 18 |
I believe lexus posted this link https://www.gov.uk/work-reference It's probably best not to apply any sort of Nigerian logic to things here. What you just described is illegal here as any bad reference must be backed up by hard evidence. If your employee sues you, they ll never have to work again. Viruses: |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 11:13pm On Feb 18 |
OmichaelO:Thanks Chief. This car hire thing, fear dey catch me as some of these countries have roads built on hills, I donβt want to want to drive and fall into a river Lol |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by kwakudtraveller(m): 11:15pm On Feb 18 |
OmichaelO:Bro you donβt have to use a reference for a current employer. Just tell them you canβt and offer the alternative of payslips, or other document options. Or better still, if you are friends with someone in the organisation, use them instead. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 12:08am On Feb 19 |
Viruses: How? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 12:32am On Feb 19 |
missjekyll: I did not mean I will fabricate things against you. As an employer, I can easily pick up things I could ordinarily overlook and use it against you in referencing and it will be justifiable. You won't know you've committed certain blunders that I overlooked until you take me to court and I present evidence. That aside, what do you mean by the bolded? Will the employee take over the company if he wins? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 12:34am On Feb 19 |
Goodenoch: As you ask me so, who I go ask? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 12:58am On Feb 19 |
Viruses: That's not the way it works. Free legal advice - Highly recommend you never ever try this if you're in a position to give a reference. I know it's an anonymous forum so feel free to disregard the advice - some people learn best by doing and getting first-hand experience, anyway 2 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by missjekyll: 1:38am On Feb 19 |
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 2:18am On Feb 19 |
Goodenoch: Perhaps I don't know how certain things work. But if you have a habit of joining online microsoft teams meetings late for instance, I do not complain or caution you against it, I only note it in your file. Can I not state that in your reference and when the need arise, I use the attendance sheet generated by Microsoft teams that shows the time each person joined the meeting as evidence? |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by makazona(m): 6:25am On Feb 19 |
Efftyy: Haa. You get mind o. But seriously how did you transition from driving on the right to driving on the left? How did quickly understand the difference in road structure btwn Naija and UK? What if you made mistakes that got the attention of the police? Many questions on my mind o. You try o |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 8:16am On Feb 19 |
Viruses: Yes you can. As long as the information provided is fair and accurate, non-discriminatory, and can be backed up if needed, then it's up to the employer/company policy how much detail they provide. For example, you can choose to comment or answer questions on the employee's sickness or absence record. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 8:50am On Feb 19 |
Zahra29: A sickness or absence record is one thing. It's a matter of fact and not disputable. The employee will be aware of what's on their record. Formal disciplinary procedures can be notified as well. But compiling 'things the employee did wrong' without ever putting them to the employee formally and making them aware/giving them fair hearing, but yet consistently detailing those allegations in references? I'd bet my bottom penny that no employment tribunal in this country will agree that that is fair. 4 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 10:23am On Feb 19 |
Zahra29: That was my point. Perhaps he thought I would fabricate stories, I won't fabricate stories, I will simply bring up things that I would ordinarily overlook. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Viruses: 10:28am On Feb 19 |
Goodenoch: The information I have provided is true, not false. It is well documented, none discriminatory and has verifiable evidence. Whether the company was fair in it's policy of not disciplining every employee post every single or recurring err is another thing. Just so you know, the company could also have brought these things to the employee's notice, give them fair hearing etc and still mention them in references because doing those things does not invalidate what happened. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Zahra29: 11:09am On Feb 19 |
Goodenoch: What if the prospective employer sent out a comprehensive reference questionnaire, as many do, and the current employer decides to answer fully instead of sending out a template response like most large organisations do. Some questions might probe the candidate's absence and punctuality record as well as other aspects of their performance, and leave space for examples. So if the current employer decides to answer candidly e.g. Q: Please comment on the employee's ability to work well within a team, providing examples where possible A: Employee got on well with his team members and supervisors. However, although it wasn't a disciplinary matter, it was noticed on occasion that he joined team meetings quite late and sometimes skipped important team meetings without giving a valid explanation I don't see why the employer would be penalised by a tribunal if he has receipts e..g Teams records to back up his response. His response could be seen to be neutral and fact based and if cleverly written could easily mask his true intentions. |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 11:10am On Feb 19 |
Viruses: You're missing the point. Your first post talked about writing things that you've been silent about. In your own words: "You won't know you've committed certain blunders that I overlooked until you take me to court and I present evidence." Obviously if the employee has breached policy and they have been queried or disciplinary measures (such as warnings) have been documented, then sure you can fairly and accurately include those in a reference. Surely you can see how those are completely different scenarios. Anyway, I tire of this debate, feel free to do what you've said sometime sha. It'll be clearer to you then why the vast majority of organizations in the UK choose to simply state when an employee worked and their JD, and only talk about negatives in the worst circumstances like fraud. Even minor queries are usually left out just to avoid ET risk. 6 Likes |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 11:23am On Feb 19 |
Zahra29: The OP is talking about a situation where the employee is not given warnings in all these instances because according to him he'll only keep telling reference requesters, while keeping his 'joker' hidden to bring out in court. In such an instance how will the OP show that the employee did not give valid explanations in the absence of documented warnings/queries? What will he use to establish that the explanations were not valid? If he starts to write down verbal discussions and compile them, how will he prove that his version of events is correct if those are not presented to the employee to countersign as being accurate? It'll be his word against theirs in court, no? Or will he begin to make audio recordings - I can see the ICO having a field day with that one. In all of these scenarios as well, it'll be incredibly easy to prove that the OP is being vindictive and unfair by keeping silent on performance issues while communicating that to the employee's potential employers. P.S. There's also the separate data protection issue of whether it'll be appropriate to share an employee's meeting attendance records with other organizations down to the time when they joined and left meetings, but that's a separate issue I'd guess the ICO would be interested in. Edit: see the government's guidance on references: https://www.gov.uk/work-reference It specifically cites warning letters as a way employers can back up their references. OP is proposing to deliberately avoid warnings. It'll be a walk in the park for that employee's lawyers to prove malice. 1 Like |
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Datakey: 11:46am On Feb 19 |
Good day house. Abeg, who knows any unlimited sim contract I can use, and how much is it? |
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