Goodenoch:


The OP is talking about a situation where the employee is not given warnings in all these instances because according to him he'll only keep telling reference requesters, while keeping his 'joker' hidden to bring out in court.

Playing devil's advocate: An explanation could have been sought and provided via Teams or email or even whatsapp ,which could be used as evidence in court to prove that it was spurious in nature.
What if the employee had been admonished via teams etc so there was evidence of a warning e..g
"please try to make every effort to attend the team meeting in the future or let us know in advance"
Witnesses could also be brought in to corroborate the employer's account.

It's not necessarily a black and white victory for the employee. And the reality is that most employees do not have the capacity to take an employer to court for various reasons, so the employer can easily get away with a less than kosher reference.

However, I agree that it could turn into a legal headache which is partly why larger organisations don't do detailed or subjective references - not worth the hassle or risk.

Zahra29:


Playing devil's advocate: An explanation could have been sought and provided via Teams or email or even whatsapp ,which could be used as evidence in court to prove that it was spurious in nature.
What if the employee had been admonished via teams etc so there was evidence of a warning e..g
"please try to make every effort to attend the team meeting in the future or let us know in advance"
Witnesses could also be brought in to corroborate the employer's account.

It's not necessarily a black and white victory for the employee. And the reality is that most employees do not have the capacity to take an employer to court for various reasons, so the employer can easily get away with a less than kosher reference.

However, I agree that it could turn into a legal headache which is partly why larger organisations don't do detailed or subjective references - not worth the hassle or risk.

Yes sure if you have written records of warnings, that could fly. Hidden grievances will not. That's the whole point I've been making to OP.

Goodenoch:


You're missing the point.

Your first post talked about writing things that you've been silent about. In your own words: "You won't know you've committed certain blunders that I overlooked until you take me to court and I present evidence."

Obviously if the employee has breached policy and they have been queried or disciplinary measures (such as warnings) have been documented, then sure you can fairly and accurately include those in a reference.

Surely you can see how those are completely different scenarios.

Anyway, I tire of this debate, feel free to do what you've said sometime sha. It'll be clearer to you then why the vast majority of organizations in the UK choose to simply state when an employee worked and their JD, and only talk about negatives in the worst circumstances like fraud. Even minor queries are usually left out just to avoid ET risk.

Yes...I could be silent about it and mention it in references, after all I am not supposed to withhold information I think should be useful to the body requesting the reference.

I agree that vast majority of employers stick to the template you have mentioned just as vast majority of employers request references from previous not current employment. So this also could be one of the minor cases where an employer could decide to go detailed and bring up minor but valid and variable issues.

Have you read this link at all. Nothing in this link allows you to do this.


Why am i dragging this? This thread comes in the top Google searches for issues affecting Nigerians in the UK. I wouldn't want any of our people to get the wrong impression that this is okay to do to people or to have it done to them

Viruses:


Yes...I could be silent about it and mention it in references, after all I am not supposed to withhold information I think should be useful to the body requesting the reference.

I agree that vast majority of employers stick to the template you have mentioned just as vast majority of employers request references from previous not current employment. So this also could be one of the minor cases where an employer could decide to go detailed and bring up minor but valid and variable issues.

true ...but what about his nose and hair

profemebee:
not a good example sha lol

He had vitiligo..

MJ was embraced by everyone.. every race.. he was and still one of the fewest Megastars to get on that level of global stardom... we might never have anyone like him again in the entertainment world

true...even one of us don call us Sad easterners..

OK, o lol

Lexusgs430:


What's the difference between racism and tribalism........ 🤣😛

The amount of tribalism we inflict upon ourselves in Nigeria, cannot be quantified or justified...... Small racism we are victims of in the UK, we want to blow the house down, but shoulder tribalism in Nigeria, with our full chest............ 🤣😂😜

you mean you see them as ill or poorly...sick is rather harsh

ehizario2012:


Ra***sm, tri****sm or serious discrimination is not limited to the whites alone please. It's something deep rooted in every human being, whether we like it or not. But we must make conscious efforts to water them down. For someone like me, I can't deny that I harbour serious resentment against those LG***Q nonsense as I still see them as sick people and that's classed as discrimination or even ra***sm in a way. But I've learnt to let them live their life while I live mine, we work together, eat together etc but they remain sick to me.

true but we have Afro wigs na

Treadway:
I idolised MJ all through my childhood, and even now long after his death. So I believe I can offer some answers.

1. I don't think anyone could be as popular/accepted worldwide on the level that MJ was, ever again in this life.

2. Contrary to popular belief, he didn't have surgery to become white. He had aggressive vitiligo, and yes he did use some chemicals only to even up patches and smoothen the skin tone, but it was largely the vitiligo.

3. He was faking his lady like voice for the most part as an adult. The voice was part of the package, kinda like part of his act/identity. When he was younger it was rumoured that his father (who was a well documented ruthless tough guy) used hormones to keep his voice shrill, like a child so he could continue to sound the same as he did as lead of the Jackson 5. He no want make the voice texture change. Dunno how true this is, cos I can't confirm if hormone therapy was a thing far back then. But back to my earlier point, if you do your research you would find videos where he slipped up and spoke with a much deeper voice. In fact, for quite a long time leading up to his death, he had gotten quite comfortable with speaking in his true deeper voice.

4. He suffered third degree burns on his head, after the pepsi ad fire. Those portions could never grow hair again, so he resorted to wigs. That long hair you were always seeing, na wig.

Good afternoon everyone

Please for those of us residing in the UK and applying for a US visa, do we also get 5 years if us visa is approved.

Viruses:


Perhaps I don't know how certain things work.

But if you have a habit of joining online microsoft teams meetings late for instance, I do not complain or caution you against it, I only note it in your file. Can I not state that in your reference and when the need arise, I use the attendance sheet generated by Microsoft teams that shows the time each person joined the meeting as evidence?

Even in Nigeria you can't do that in Some companies. For everything you term as an offence, there must be an action that follows. If there is no action you can't term it as an offence. If someone is always coming late for meeting, you must tender evidence of how you had a conversation regarding their attitude to work. If people start marking offence like the way you intend to do who will stand. That will be same as saying "I am talking to you and you are breathing" cos I may not like it that you breath while talking to you. I expect any of my assistants I talk to to collapse. A good appraisal system is meant to spot that and u people have a conversation around it. If not, it shows you have an axe to grind.

Zahra29:


What if the prospective employer sent out a comprehensive reference questionnaire, as many do, and the current employer decides to answer fully instead of sending out a template response like most large organisations do.

Some questions might probe the candidate's absence and punctuality record as well as other aspects of their performance, and leave space for examples. So if the current employer decides to answer candidly e.g.

Q: Please comment on the employee's ability to work well within a team, providing examples where possible

A: Employee got on well with his team members and supervisors. However, although it wasn't a disciplinary matter, it was noticed on occasion that he joined team meetings quite late and sometimes skipped important team meetings without giving a valid explanation

I don't see why the employer would be penalised by a tribunal if he has receipts e..g Teams records to back up his response.

His response could be seen to be neutral and fact based and if cleverly written could easily mask his true intentions.

And was never talked about during appraisal meeting? It cannot hold water. If you like bring team evidence and they ask you to bring appraisal evidence. They find out the appraisal is saying something else, the person will go down for it.

Strata1716:
Good afternoon everyone

Please for those of us residing in the UK and applying for a US visa, do we also get 5 years if us visa is approved.

Yes

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A new statement of changes to the immigration rules was laid today which formalises the new policies and clarifies how the March 11 ban on care dependants will be implemented, with exceptions made only for children born in the UK to a care worker to enable them regularise their stay. Those already on the route are not affected👇

Changes relating to care workers and senior care workers on the Skilled Worker
route
5.12 As announced by the Home Secretary on 4 December 2023 changes are being made to tighten the Health and Care Worker route for Skilled Workers sponsored as care workers or senior care workers (occupation codes 6145 and 6146), in response to high levels of non-compliance and worker exploitation and abuse, as well as unsustainable levels of demand. In the year ending September 2023, 83,072 visas were granted for care workers and a further 18,244 visas for senior care workers, comprising 30% of all work visas granted. In addition, there were 250,297 visas granted for work-related
dependants, 69% of which were for Health and Care Worker dependants.
5.13 These changes:
• Narrow the eligibility for workers to be sponsored in these occupation codes in
England from all jobs to only jobs where the sponsor is registered with the Care Quality Commission (CQC) and is currently carrying on a regulated activity (this does not affect the eligibility of jobs in Scotland, Wales and
Northern Ireland); and
• Remove the provision for dependants to accompany or join workers sponsored
in these occupation codes (other than providing for children born in the UK to
regularise their stay).
5.14 Transitional arrangements are being applied for Skilled Workers who have applied on the route and are sponsored in these occupations before these changes come into
force. These arrangements allow them to apply to extend their permission with the
same sponsor, and settle, without the CQC regulation requirement applying to them.
They also allow such individuals to be accompanied or joined by dependants,
including in cases where they change jobs to another sponsor who meets the CQC
regulation requirement.

Chinlov:
true but we have Afro wigs na

lol. Bet that would look weird on a now white face.

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Hello everyone,
I have a question, my bro and his wife have been with us since they came in September.
I found out they already registered to vote on our address without asking or informing us. They don't pay council tax or rent
I cannot find a way to remove them, will this be an issue for us? Since it's just two people we said are living in the house?.

Thank you.

'Register to vote' is basically to allow them vote (which can be updated when they move). You wouldn't pay more if more than two adults are living there.

Fi egbon / aburo si le o make him vote .. . We need the numbers

ToshoTosin:
Hello everyone,
I have a question, my bro and his wife have been with us since they came in September.
I found out they already registered to vote on our address without asking or informing us. They don't pay council tax or rent
I cannot find a way to remove them, will this be an issue for us? Since it's just two people we said are living in the house?.

Thank you.

kwakudtraveller:

Bro you don’t have to use a reference for a current employer. Just tell them you can’t and offer the alternative of payslips, or other document options. Or better still, if you are friends with someone in the organisation, use them instead.

Before doing this, please read your Company's policy.. It can get you sacked in some companies

ToshoTosin:
Hello everyone,
I have a question, my bro and his wife have been with us since they came in September.
I found out they already registered to vote on our address without asking or informing us. They don't pay council tax or rent
I cannot find a way to remove them, will this be an issue for us? Since it's just two people we said are living in the house?.

Thank you.

Doesn't affect you from a council tax standpoint. The only issue could be with your landlord seeing you have more people than stated living there but their voter registration has nothing to do with that.

I understand how you might be worried, but you don't need to be.

Lol...Thank you!
Just needed to know

Bourne007:
'Register to vote' is basically to allow them vote (which can be updated when they move). You wouldn't pay more if more than two adults are living there.

Fi egbon / aburo si le o make him vote .. . We need the numbers

That's good. Thank you.
The landlord saw them when they came last year he has been asking uswhen they will move. They're not willing to look for a place yet(another story).
Lol

Goodenoch:


Doesn't affect you from a council tax standpoint. The only issue could be with your landlord seeing you have more people than stated living there but their voter registration has nothing to do with that.

I understand how you might be worried, but you don't need to be.

How are they comfortable enough to be staying with you without plans to look for their own apartment?, 😂...Me I won't be that comfortable though as I would feel the guilt of not contributing to the rent or running of the house even without being prompted to do so. People are wired differently though 😂 I hope their knacking nor de disturb your sleep though 🫣🤭🤣🤣🤣

ToshoTosin:
That's good. Thank you.
The landlord saw them when they came last year he has been asking uswhen they will move. They're not willing to look for a place yet(another story).
Lol

bigtt76:
How are they comfortable enough to be staying with you without plans to look for their own apartment?, 😂...Me I won't be that comfortable though as I would feel the guilt of not contributing to the rent or running of the house even without being prompted to do so. People are wired differently though 😂 I hope their knacking nor de disturb your sleep though 🫣🤭🤣🤣🤣

I think you have a prob.

bigtt76:
How are they comfortable staying with you without plans to look for their apartment? 😂...I won't be that comfortable, though, as I would feel guilty about not contributing to the rent or running the house even without being prompted. People are wired differently, though 😂 I hope their knacking does not disturb your sleep, though 🫣🤭🤣🤣

Good afternoon fams,
Trust ya'll are doing great. I greet everyone.

My friend needs help, kindly read and advise.

This incident happened in Sept 2022. Shortly after, My insurance company requested I pay £4,335 for repairing a car that I never had impact with, I reported to FOS a long time ago but lately, FOS claimed they do not have jurisdiction on the matter since the second Final response from the insurance company was not submitted within the “6months rule”.

The claimant presented a video that showed no damage to the said car. They canceled my policy and made me pay the remaining pro-rated amount on the policy which was 3 months old. I paid the remaining 9 months for nothing just to avoid issues. Only for them to come back after 1 month claiming they have settled the claim and I will be responsible 100% for the damages after they took the total policy charges.

I never had any impact with the car. They claimed a scrapping sound was heard in the video sent to me as evidence, but the details of the repair they did show otherwise. They said they replaced the car bumper and painted it, and how on earth will that be 4k+. While I was still in discussion with them, they passed the case to Debt Recovery which I explained I was not going to make any comment until the insurance company was able to present the video evidence. They later passed it on to a Law firm who contacted and I explained all that happened and why I was not pleased with the amount claimed to have been spent.

The law firm now are requesting £4,335 since the Financial Ombudsman has told me they do not have jurisdiction due to the 6-month rule. Just want to get advice on what next to do as I do not have the financial capacity to pay such an amount while the Law firm now threatens with a court case.

yolkman20:
Good afternoon fams,
Trust ya'll are doing great. I greet everyone.

My friend needs help, kindly read and advise.

This incident happened in Sept 2022. Shortly after, My insurance company requested I pay £4,335 for repairing a car that I never had impact with, I reported to FOS a long time ago but lately, FOS claimed they do not have jurisdiction on the matter since the second Final response from the insurance company was not submitted within the “6months rule”.

The claimant presented a video that showed no damage to the said car. They canceled my policy and made me pay the remaining pro-rated amount on the policy which was 3 months old. I paid the remaining 9 months for nothing just to avoid issues. Only for them to come back after 1 month claiming they have settled the claim and I will be responsible 100% for the damages after they took the total policy charges.

I never had any impact with the car. They claimed a scrapping sound was heard in the video sent to me as evidence, but the details of the repair they did show otherwise. They said they replaced the car bumper and painted it, and how on earth will that be 4k+. While I was still in discussion with them, they passed the case to Debt Recovery which I explained I was not going to make any comment until the insurance company was able to present the video evidence. They later passed it on to a Law firm who contacted and I explained all that happened and why I was not pleased with the amount claimed to have been spent.

The law firm now are requesting £4,335 since the Financial Ombudsman has told me they do not have jurisdiction due to the 6-month rule. Just want to get advice on what next to do as I do not have the financial capacity to pay such an amount while the Law firm now threatens with a court case.

If you love your sanity and don't want to be a victim of vehicle insurance fraud........ Make sure you install a dashcam.......

You have simply been fast gamed...... Victim of insurance fraud.... I think you did not act within reasonable time, to challenge this claim.......

Do you have any pictures or videos, of the incident........

(Sorry your friend)......,😂🤣

Bourne007:
'Register to vote' is basically to allow them vote (which can be updated when they move). You wouldn't pay more if more than two adults are living there.

Fi egbon / aburo si le o make him vote .. . We need the numbers

I like the 'we need the numbers' part. Every legal means of making the numbers effective should be utilized. UK is a powerful country and we need to have more Africans contributing to its greatness. I admire the Asians that appears to be predominant in almost everywhere you turn, and they are doing this 'codedly'. I will be proud to see more Kemi Badenoch in exalted positions in both public and private sectors.

Good

Errrrr 🤔... I actually meant we need the numbers to vote Conservative out 😜

SamAfrik:

I like the 'we need the numbers' part. Every legal means of making the numbers effective should be utilized. UK is a powerful country and we need to have more Africans contributing to its greatness. I admire the Asians that appears to be predominant in almost everywhere you turn, and they are doing this 'codedly'. I will be proud to see more Kemi Badenoch in exalted positions in both public and private sectors.

Bourne007:
Errrrr 🤔... I actually meant we need the numbers to vote Conservative out 😜

Be very careful...... What you seek.......😜😭

🤭🤣🤣

justwise:


I think you have a prob.