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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 9:23pm On Apr 29 |
jl115: Cheaper of course..better in CAS roles maybe not..however thats just my own opinion...which better ones if u dont mind me asking? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Exnavyboy62: 3:09am On Apr 30 |
neyobills: Yeah, right, whatever. The Nigerian Airforce will not be getting the A-10 Warthogs whether you cry about it or not. Why I said it shouldn’t be purchased because it’s not multipurpose…?? Did you give thought to long term use of procured platforms...?? This is 2024, literally anything can happen. Nigeria is almost surrounded by foreign military bases of major powers. Take for instance the installation of S-300 air defence systems in Niger. Who knows why they are there…?? But let’s assume the Nigerien military government employed the help of Russian forces or Wagner PMC to protect the government from being overthrown, If we had the A-10 Warthogs, and the president decides to proceed with the ECOWAS intervention against military rule in Niger, how are the pilots supposed to protect themselves from incoming air defence missiles…?? Speaking of outdated, if upgrades can keep a 1980s aircraft fit, why then is the US military replacing them. They could have continued with upgrades and kept on flying them. It’s as if you are saying, Nigerian Airforce should keep on flying its alpha jet fleet. As long as they get upgrades, they are good to go. In 2024, dey play. And what was it you were saying about genocidal cases in the Nigerian military…?? You think the US cares about Nigerian military casualties…?? The same US that has been delaying the delivery of the AH-1Z attack helicopters despite the pleas from Nigerian officials that it is required urgently…?? If the US didn’t sell the A-10 Warthogs to some of their allies who were interested in buying especially NATO allies, you think they will sell it to us…?? Even if they sell it to us, they will still dictate how it is used. 24x M346FA jets and 12 A-29 Super Tucanos, Insha Allah no breathing space for insurgents. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Faithful007: 4:13am On Apr 30 |
jl115: Just to add. India only outranks SA in areas where her disproportionately large population gives her the advantage. SA far outranks India in: Nominal GDP per capita PPP per capita GDP-PPP per capita Electricity generation per Capita Government spending per capita Average Personal income. Minimum wage. Take note @Goel 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Faithful007: 4:17am On Apr 30 |
neyobills:Bruh thats around the same cost of operating an F16. It's way more expensive than running an A29 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 1:32pm On Apr 30 |
Exnavyboy62: First point is that i never said its multipurpose,i said it will be a game changer in COIN operations,so this your multipurpose of a thing is totally off point,the A-10 still has potentials on long term use in terms on counter offensive operations in conventional wars if literally anything happens as this is 2024 because the A-10 is still a legendary MBT and armored vehicles destroyer. Take for instance the installation of the S-300 defence system in Niger,by your assumption that Nigeria decides to proceed with the Ecowas intervention what advantage does the 24xM346FA jets and the 12 super Tucanos over a fleet of Warthogs in enemy airspace. The US military is replacing them by the F-35,and they are doing this not because they have become obsolete,there are debating in congress about whether to donate a few to the Ukraine military and sell the rest,some congressmen want them still in service,some want them sold,so your idea of them been obsolete is far from it. Oh so u are crying about the sales of the AH-1Z Viper which is at least a generation older than the Warthog now yet you are saying Nigeria doesnt need a much more legendary battle tested alternative....once again dont forget to highlight what advantage does the M346FA and the Super Tucano have over there Warthog |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 1:37pm On Apr 30 |
Faithful007: Oh well its slightly below the running cost of a F16 However the F-16 is way more pricey to acquire than the Warthog |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 4:02pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: Bros forget this argument it's not selling. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 4:08pm On Apr 30 |
iblawi: Looks like the rant of someone bereft of any more points or ideas |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MAN1960: 6:23pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: Man1960 is back. young man abeg rest, you go just dey type everything wey Google tell you. (Neyovills) all this small small boys wey their brain still dey hot 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by abbati19: 6:40pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: US military replacing A10 with F35? completely different aircraft one meant for air superiority and strike missions, while the other is meant only for close air support. The US Military is not replacing the A10 (at least not with a similar plane) but they are considering using something similar to the tucano for CAS which is much cheaper to operate and maintain. AH1Z (this is the most advanced version which the marines started flying in 2010) is one of the most advanced helicopters currently in the world. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 6:49pm On Apr 30 |
abbati19: Basically i hate to argue with ITK,s like you,the F-35 is a multirole aircraft i just sent you the screenshot from the USAF themselves,or probably you are the JCOS chairman in the US so u know better right,this is a public forum,try to learn about stuff first before displaying your ignorance,dont let your fingers be faster than whats between your ears.
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by abbati19: 7:04pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: https://www.sandboxx.us/news/f-35-versus-a-10-showdown-revived-as-new-documents-come-to-light/ “The ability of the F-35 to replace the A-10 has never been demonstrated,” he wrote. “Further, Air Force leaders have yet to take even preliminary steps to prepare their F-35 pilots to perform the most important combat role with which they have been entrusted.” That’s not how the Air Force sees it, though. Last year, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall called the A-10 “an old aircraft” that was “not survivable against modern threats,” joining the service’s yearslong call for the plane’s retirement. Kendall has since added that the aircraft “doesn’t scare China.” These statements get to the heart of the greatest tension in defense planning and investment: should services continue to spend on what they know has worked in past conflicts, or pour resources into the tools and systems they believe will serve them well in the future. The F-35 is built for standoff missions against sophisticated near-peer foes; it’s not made to specialize in dogfights or close air support. The war in Ukraine illustrates the challenges of close air support on a modern battlefield where both sides have effective anti-aircraft weapons. Yet critics of the move to retire the A-10s rightly point out that having no direct replacement leaves the U.S. military vulnerable if an operational need for close air support does arise. The Air Force’s current plan has all A-10s headed to the boneyard by 2029. The newly public flyoff report makes clear that the move leaves many questions unanswered about what will happen when the era of the Warthog ends. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 7:26pm On Apr 30 |
abbati19: First i debunked your statement that the F-35 cannot perform CAS operations,the F-35 is multirole and can effectively perform CAS operations now u are trying to shift the goalpost by posting an article that is saying something different,basically the US doesnt have insurgency issues within their borders so most of the pilots havent been trained on how to use the F-35 for CAS,thats what the article is saying to break it down for you....The owner of something is saying he want to replace A with B you are here crying...go hold am for hand naaa.
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:37pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: The A-29 is a multi-purpose platform, it can perform Recon, Attack, Training, CAS and has a low operating cost. The A-10 is not even the best in it's class, we can all see that the SU-25 is a better more survivable close air support platform. That's why I first asked you what capability will the A-10 provide that we don't already have? None!! What is the rate of fire of a gatlin gun, and why do you think the Nigerian Army abandoned it? We cannot afford a one trick pony with a high operational cost. COIN operations don't need aircrafts to be fast, this is not Ukraine. Both the A-29 and A-10 are subsonic, however the A-29 has the ability to provide ground forces with continuous recon and strike capabilities for an extended period. Exactly what we need. So I ask again, what capability is the A-29 going to provide that we don't already have? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:45pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: The idea of the A-10 is outdated. The A-10 was designed and built for killing Soviet tanks, however in today's environment it will struggle against manpads, network air defense systems and EW interferences. The A-10 will not do better than the current platforms we already have in service. It is an expensive aircraft to fly, it's availability is also be suspect in a Nigerian environment. The A-29's are better for the roles we need, the M-346 which will replace our alpha jets and L-39s also are superior to the A-10. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 7:49pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: Cheaper definitely, better definitely. An ideal CAS platform should be able to provide Recon, CAS, Network Centric (Commanders in Maid should be able to see the targets in Gwoza), and Air Interdiction. The A-10 can only perform two of the above roles while the A-29 can perform all of them. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by abbati19: 7:56pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: You won the argument sir, I am here to learn, the US is considering replacing the A10s because most CAS platforms ( A10, A29 Tucano etc.) cannot survive in high threat environment, so they might use their F35 fighter for CAS instead which have a much higher chance of survival. Though in a lot of articles they said it clearly is not a direct replacement for the A10, and they are still worried that in the future might need a dedicated CAS platform. And the US is definitely considering a turboprop to use too just like us in Nigeria like sir Kabe pointed out tucanos can perform most of the role of the A10 at a much cheaper price in maintaenance and operations. I never said the F35 cannot perform CAS, almost all fighter jets that can do strike missions can do CAS just may not be as effective as a dedicated CAS platform like A10. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 8:00pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: I don't know why you think you're better than everyone here. If you were intelligent, you should be looking into why everyone is against your idea. Instead you're trying to force your crazy mentality on every other person here. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 8:13pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: While all these are hypothetic, the premise you have began your argument is faulty. By nature of Counter Terror operations air assets need to be multi-purpose. AKPWS, Brimstone missiles, paveway bombs etc can all be deployed from the A-29 and M-346. You also forget we have JF-17s and F-7s for missions against Air Defence Systems. We also have a large fleet of UCAVs that can defeat ADS (Azerbaijan-Armenia war). The Russians haven't deployed enough air defense assets in Niger to cause any real disruptions to Nigeria Air operations. Niger is not Ukraine. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 8:33pm On Apr 30 |
kabe1: Like i said earlier its suggestion is for COIN operations in the first place,last time i checked the insurgents in Nigeria dont have the capabilities for manpads and air defence systems yet except there is some news i been missing The A-10 will definitely do better its cost around 15k USD per flight hour and since its not a commercial aircraft i guess this is fair enough besides the insurgents basically cant tell the difference,to them any aircraft is suspect anyway so makes no difference. The A-29,s has a longer loiter time than the Warthog ,the Warthog has superior firepower than the A-29,the L-39s are no way superior to the Warthog,the are trainer and light combat aircrafts,the Warthog is a full combat jet. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 8:50pm On Apr 30 |
abbati19: Its fine we are all here to learn,the US has numerous platforms to choose from however the Tucano wouldnt even be a option for the US cos they have many alternatives,Sir Kabe point is not a point for me...its like the same we see everyday of NA troops going to front lines in light skinned Toyota Hilux now having an alternative to buy an armoured Ford F15 but keep on saying the Hilux can do the work of of the Armoured F-15 of course it can,in terms of safety ratings it doesnt come near,in aviation safety is top priority. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 8:55pm On Apr 30 |
iblawi: Im not intelligent than everyone else however our priorities vary and i dont follow the bandwagon...i have a mind of my own ....did i put a gun to head to force my crazy mentality on you abi what is this one capping? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 9:12pm On Apr 30 |
kabe1: Kindly highlight which roles the A-10 cant perform in before i burst your bubble...what will be the use of the the commander barking orders in Maid when the probability of the platform returning to base is low in the first place |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:37pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: I'm struggling to follow, in what universe does an aircraft powered with a Turbofan provide an aircraft powered with a Turboprop engine more Loiter time? 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:38pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: Reconnaissance, Network Capabilities, Multi-role should I continue? |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 9:41pm On Apr 30 |
kabe1: By nature what is the need of carrying a RPG to a cock fight,by nature of counter Terror there is also need to know your enemy capabilities,what would be the need of taking a B2 spirit bomber to Lake chad to fight insurgents,what we need is a dedicated CAS support platform in this ops I agree all those munitions can be deployed by the Tucano and the M-346,however we need platform that can fly at low altitude,have long loiter time with superior firepower and can be able to pin point enemy position from friendly postions before taking out to enemy,in COIN ops the margins can get slim so we need platforms that fly low to be able to see positions clearly before take out to avoid friendly causalities guess maybe in your type of ops safety of ground troops takes the back seat? For the Warthog the cockpit in encased in full titanuim armour giving the pilot and flight controls better safety against enemy fire that is exactly where the A-10 comes in as the game changer. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 9:46pm On Apr 30 |
kabe1: This is common sense naaa..how on Gods green earth can a single engine turbo prop engine have a better loiter time than a double jet engine,simple sturvs na. Name one airline that uses turbo prop engine platforms for commercial flights. Oh i just checked my quote its obviously a mistype and i meant longer...dont be mischievous |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 9:48pm On Apr 30 |
neyobills: The Toyota Hilux has it's role to play in the Nigerian army. It might not be pretty but we don't have billions of dollars lying around to move all our men in Armoured vehicles. It is the way and formation it is used that matters. The Tucanos is a serious option for the US military. https://www.sncorp.com/news-archive/a-29-super-tucano-delivered-to-us-air-force-special-operations-command/ Within the Nigerian context there's no capability the A-10 will provide, we don't currently have any the A-10 has limitations in the sort of support it can provide to Nigerian ground forces. The A-29 is simply a better platform. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by neyobills: 10:03pm On Apr 30 |
kabe1: I agree with the paucity of funds,however that is where modifications can come in,the hilxes can still be bought and the ones going into enemy territory modified,like a said safety of ground troops obviously takes the back seat in your own mode of operations.....why waste tax payers money when the lives of troops trained with tax payers funds are cut short due to avoidable mistakes and also demoralizing troops plus making some family and friends of gallant troops miserable. Pls what way and formation can a light skinned hilux be used in mined enemy territory...i love to learn The Tucano is no option for the US military...its akin to saying Shatta wale mix(no pun intended) is a better option for a DJ to play at a typical Lagos Christmas street carnival ....dont forget the Tucanos are Braziliian made... what are the limitations the Warthog has in operations to suppoet Nigerian ground troops....i love to learn |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by abbati19: 10:16pm On Apr 30 |
https://www.sncorp.com/news-archive/the-a-29-super-tucano-light-attack-multi-mission-aircraft-affordable-combat-capability/ The Super Tucano's attributes of rugged, durable, low maintenance and unprepared surface capabilities, along with its unmatched affordability – just $1,500 per flight hour The super tucano cost just 1,500 dollars per flight hour compared to 15,000 dollars for A10 6 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by mekussa(m): 2:02am On May 02 |
Comparing plane (A 10 WARTHOG)that costs FIFTEEN THOUSAND (15,000) of Uncle Sam's dollars(TWENTY POINT NINE MILLION NAIRA) per hour to operate with one(SUPER TUCANO) that costs ONE THOUSAND,FIVE HUNDRED dollars(TWO MILLION,NINETY ONE THOUSAND NAIRA) per hour to operate in todays Nigeria? Imagine what it would cost the Nigerian Air Force to rack up just 2,000 flight hours on a Warthog...(whispers 41.9 BILLION NAIRA(30 MILLION DOLLARS). The operational costs alone should be enough to dead this talk. 5 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by GeneralFarouq: 6:54am On May 02 |
MAN1960:This is new, u literally had to make.an entry with self adulation? Some of us just "go and come" and hope we have not.been forgotten. |
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