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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 1:04pm On Sep 11, 2013
KWAME "THE REDEEMER" BRINGING TRUETH FOWARD. cheesy grin grin grin

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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 1:09pm On Sep 11, 2013
BIGHT OF BIAFRA AND ANGOLA-CONGO COAST SLAVES ORIGINS ANALYSIS. grin grin grin

Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 1:17pm On Sep 11, 2013
kwame tut: ^^^^^^BigFrances21
419ER U COCKED UP BIG TIME ON BRAZIL.
AS I SAID ITS
1. ANGOLA-CONGO
2. BIGHT OF BENIN
3. MOZAMBIQUE
THEN REST......


grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin THE WORLD CAN SEE NOW YOU'RE A BASKET CASE POROUS MATERIAL". grin grin grin

Its pretty obvious brazilians are for the most part descendants of bantu ppl. Not because of looks (which has changed due to tribal and racial mixing) but culture and music. Anyone who disputes that is just trolling.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 1:24pm On Sep 11, 2013
kwame tut: @BigFrance21
U MUST BE MAD/MALKOP TO CLAIM Ibos CAME 3RD IN BRAZIL. Look at this TABLE IBU FOOL. cheesy cheesy grin grin grin grin
TRIBALISM MAKES PEOPLE TO BE BLIND. BLINDED BY HATE FOR OTHER AFRICANS THIS IGBO CUN-T. grin grin grin
.

Lol. smh
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 1:30pm On Sep 11, 2013
https://www.nairaland.com/646049/nigerian-igbo-african-american/20#18039291

Excellent post kwame.
our muslim forefathers are rarely ever discussed. In fact little is known about them in the diaspora esp. since most of the diaspora are now christians or catholics. (of course I do not care for religion, however our muslim ancestors are just as import seeing as how they instigated and took part in some of the most famous and brutal revolts).
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 2:09pm On Sep 11, 2013
Lol I never thought reading charts was a unique skill but Kwame Tut make it seem like astrophysics grin
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 2:16pm On Sep 11, 2013
collynzo2: Does this Kwame guy have a job? Jeez!

Can you have a job without as basic high school education? I don't think he really reads any of his sources. Notice how I challenged many of his assertions using the charts he provided, he has yet to provide any rebutal. In fact he stopped mentioning me in his rants.
grin

He has his cheerleaders so maybe that's why he still posts.

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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Crayola1: 2:21pm On Sep 11, 2013
kwame tut: STONO REBELLION LED BY 20 ANGOLAN SLAVES IN 1739 IN SC. cheesy cheesy grin grin grin

Where they killed their masters. cheesy grin grin

lmao you couldn't even get this right. They were mostly Congolese slaves not Angolan.
I'm even helping you with your facts.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:25pm On Sep 11, 2013
Crayola1:

Can you have a job without as basic high school education? I don't think he really reads any of his sources. Notice how I challenged many of his assertions using the charts he provided, he has yet to provide any rebutal. In fact he stopped mentioning me in his rants.
grin

He has his cheerleaders so maybe that's why he still posts.



Exactly. His only cheerleader is the anti-Igbo person like him with fulani ancestors. I'm surprised Ms. Fulani isn't liking all of his posts as usual.

Please I'll send you a private message. I want to tell you something.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:30pm On Sep 11, 2013
@Crayola1
AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE "EMPTY LIKA BASKET". WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR INFO OTHER THAN JUST LIKA "LAPDOG" U HAVE BEEN FOOLING AROUND.

AGAIN I WON'T ENTERTAIN YOUR STU-PIDITY AS "IM NOT A CARTOON CHARACTER LIKE U/IGBOS". WHEN IT COMES TO "STU-PIDITY" U WIN.


I m happy to see ur reading my POSTS, MEANING AM WINNING EDUCATING THE IBO. TODAY U KNOW THAT THE ENGLISH DUBBED THE CONGOLESE SLAVES A "ANGOLANS" EVEN THOUGH THEY CAME FROM CONGO.

THANK ME U BLOODY "POE-POL".
Crayola1:

lmao you couldn't even get this right. They were mostly Congolese slaves not Angolan.
I'm even helping you with your facts.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:31pm On Sep 11, 2013
Origins of ANGOLA-CONGO SLAVES TO USA.

Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:32pm On Sep 11, 2013
^^^^^^^^Crayola1
AFTER READING MY POSTS NOW U CAN TELL YOUR "BASKET CASES" THE TRUETH. cheesy grin grin grin grin
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:39pm On Sep 11, 2013
Crayola I just stumbled across this post by another AA(hopefully it isn't one person with multiple IDs) attesting to the Igbo ancestry of AAs.

KB1: As I've said, I and others, like Hero, have proven over and over again on the place that we AA are of majority Igbo descent. When will you nay sayers get that through your heads. We aren't attempting to cling on to anything or anyone in saying this; we are proud of what our people have achieved and become since arriving in this land. We are simply stating the undeniable facts; you can wish it away and or simply deny it, but the truth will always remain just that.

By the way, to the person who's said that Igbos hat AA, let me inform you of the fact of that out of of the Nigerian ethnics, the Igbo are by far the most intermarried with the AA population. My wife is Igbo, and I personally know about a dozen other Igbo/AA couples. Emeagwali is married o an AA woman. Most of the Igbo professional sports players here in the US are married and or engaged to an AA woman. I'm around Nigerians of various ethnicity quite a lot, and I've observed very few non Igbo Nigerians who were married to, engaged to and or dating an AA in comparison to the number of Igbo who are.

So those who say that we AA are so deeply hated by Igbo, you are very much so mistaken, because out of all of the Naija groups we AA and Igbo have the closes bond in respect to all of the other Naija groups, and possibly out of all the African groups here in the US period.

https://www.nairaland.com/267564/igbo-ibibio-etc-atlantic-slave/4
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:39pm On Sep 11, 2013
Crayola I just stumbled across this post by another AA(hopefully it isn't one person with multiple IDs) attesting to the Igbo ancestry of AAs.

KB1: As I've said, I and others, like Hero, have proven over and over again on the place that we AA are of majority Igbo descent. When will you nay sayers get that through your heads. We aren't attempting to cling on to anything or anyone in saying this; we are proud of what our people have achieved and become since arriving in this land. We are simply stating the undeniable facts; you can wish it away and or simply deny it, but the truth will always remain just that.

By the way, to the person who's said that Igbos hat AA, let me inform you of the fact of that out of of the Nigerian ethnics, the Igbo are by far the most intermarried with the AA population. My wife is Igbo, and I personally know about a dozen other Igbo/AA couples. Emeagwali is married o an AA woman. Most of the Igbo professional sports players here in the US are married and or engaged to an AA woman. I'm around Nigerians of various ethnicity quite a lot, and I've observed very few non Igbo Nigerians who were married to, engaged to and or dating an AA in comparison to the number of Igbo who are.

So those who say that we AA are so deeply hated by Igbo, you are very much so mistaken, because out of all of the Naija groups we AA and Igbo have the closes bond in respect to all of the other Naija groups, and possibly out of all the African groups here in the US period.

https://www.nairaland.com/267564/igbo-ibibio-etc-atlantic-slave/4
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 2:42pm On Sep 11, 2013
bigfrancis21: THE FAMOUS SLAVE REVOLT OF 1831 IN VIRGINIA BY NAT TURNER, THE EBOE SLAVE

Turner spent his life in Southampton County, Virginia, a predominantly black area.[5] After the rebellion, a reward notice described Turner as:
5 feet 6 or 8 inches high, weighs between 150 and 160 pounds, rather bright complexion, but not a mulatto, broad shoulders, larger flat nose, large eyes, broad flat feet, rather knockkneed, walks brisk and active, hair on the top of the head very thin, no
beard, except on the upper lip and the top of the chin, a scar on one of his temples, also one on the back of his neck, a large knot on one of the bones of his right arm, near the wrist, produced by a blow.[6]

Turner had "natural intelligence and quickness of apprehension, surpassed by few."[7] He learned to read and write at a young age. Deeply religious, Nat was often seen fasting, praying, or immersed in reading the stories of the Bible.[8] He frequently
experienced visions which he interpreted as messages from God. These visions greatly influenced his life; for instance, when Turner was 22 years old, he ran away from his owner, but returned a month later after having such a vision. Turner often
conducted Baptist services, preaching the Bible to
his fellow slaves, who dubbed him "The Prophet".

Turner also had influence over white people, and in
the case of Ethelred T. Brantley, Turner said that he
was able to convince Brantley to "cease from his
wickedness".[9]
By early 1828, Turner was convinced that he "was
ordained for some great purpose in the hands of the
Almighty."[10][11] While working in his owner's
fields on May 12, Turner "heard a loud noise in the
heavens, and the Spirit instantly appeared to me and
said the Serpent was loosened, and Christ had laid
down the yoke he had borne for the sins of men, and
that I should take it on and fight against the Serpent,
for the time was fast approaching when the first
should be last and the last should be first."[12]

Turner was convinced that God had given him the
task of "slay[ing] my enemies with their own
weapons."[12] Turner said, "I communicated the
great work laid out for me to do, to four in whom I
had the greatest confidence" – his fellow slaves
Henry, Hark, Nelson, and Sam.[12]
Beginning in February 1831, Turner came to believe
that certain atmospheric conditions were to be
interpreted as a sign that he should begin preparing
for a rebellion against the slave owners.

On February 11, 1831, an annular solar eclipse was
seen in Virginia. Turner saw this as a black man's
hand reaching over the sun, and he took this vision
as his sign. The rebellion was initially planned for July
4, Independence Day, but was postponed for more
deliberation between him and his followers, and due
to illness. On August 13, there was another solar
eclipse, in which the sun appeared bluish-green
(possibly from debris deposited in the atmosphere by
an eruption of Mount Saint Helens). Turner took this
occasion as the final signal, and about a week later,
on August 21, he began the rebellion.

Rebellion

Turner started with a few trusted fellow slaves. The
rebels traveled from house to house, freeing slaves
and killing the white people they found. The rebels
ultimately included more than 70 enslaved and free
blacks.[13]
Because the rebels did not want to alert anyone to
their presence as they carried out their attacks, they
initially used knives, hatchets, axes, and blunt
instruments instead of firearms.[14] The rebellion
did not discriminate by age or sex, until it was
determined that the rebellion had achieved sufficient
numbers. Nat Turner only confessed to killing one of
the rebellion's victims, Margret Whitehead, whom he
killed with a blow from a fence post.[14]
Before a white militia was able to respond, the rebels
killed 60 men, women, and children.[15]

They spared
a few homes "because Turner believed the poor white
inhabitants 'thought no better of themselves than
they did of negros.'"[16][17] Turner also thought
that revolutionary violence would serve to awaken
the attitudes of whites to the reality of the inherent
brutality in slave-holding, a concept similar to 20th
century philosopher Franz Fanon's idea of "violence
as purgatory".[18] Turner later said that he wanted
to spread "terror and alarm" among whites.[19]

Capture and Execution

The rebellion was
suppressed within two
days, but Turner eluded
capture until October 30,
when he was discovered
hiding in a hole covered
with fence rails. On
November 5, 1831, he was
tried for "conspiring to rebel
and making insurrection",
convicted and sentenced to
death.[20] Turner was
hanged on November 11 in
Jerusalem, Virginia. His
body was flayed, beheaded
and quartered.[21] In the
aftermath of the
insurrection there were 45 slaves, including Turner,
and 5 free blacks tried for insurrection and related
crimes in Southampton. Of the 45 slaves tried, 15
were acquitted. Of the 30 convicted, 18 were hanged,
while 12 were sold out of state. Of the 5 free blacks
tried for participation in the insurrection, one was
hanged, while the others were acquitted.[22]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner


Nat Turner looks a bit like Chiwetel Ejiofor grin

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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:48pm On Sep 11, 2013
@Crayola and Jay

Read this write up by an African American. He seems to be saying that Ebo language had some influence on Ebo nics aka Black American English. I just noticed the similarity between Ebo and Ebonics. Could it be that the term Ebonics came from the fact that Ebo slaves spoke an Ebo form of English? Ie they spoke English the Ebo way or 'Eboistically'? Or could 'Ebonics' have originated from 'Ebony'?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.1556-3502.2011.52120.x/asset/j.1556-3502.2011.52120.x.pdf?v=1&t=gza1py0o&s=037fe2b1107f4c5070cefe358b1c6899a9810551

Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:49pm On Sep 11, 2013
What the IGBO LIARS ARE HIDING ABOUT "NAT TURNER IS THAT HES PART AKAN". cheesy grin grin grin grin grin

NAT TURNER

At birth on October 2, 1800, Turner's owner recorded only his given name, Nat, although he may have had a last name within the slave community. In accordance with common practice, the whites referred to him by the last name of his owner, Benjamin Turner. This practice was continued by historians. Turner knew little about the background of his father, who was believed to have escaped from slavery when Turner was a young boy. Turner remained close to his paternal grandmother, Old Bridget, who was also owned by Benjamin Turner. Turner's maternal grandmother was one of the Coromantee also known as the Akan people from present-day Ghana, a group known for slave revolts. She was captured in Africa at thirteen years of age and shipped to America. cheesy grin grin grin grin cry cry cry

Turner spent his life in Southampton County, Virginia, a predominantly black area.[5] After the rebellion, a reward notice described Turner as:

5 feet 6 or 8 inches high, weighs between 150 and 160 pounds, rather bright complexion, but not a mulatto, broad shoulders, larger flat nose, large eyes, broad flat feet, rather knockkneed, walks brisk and active, hair on the top of the head very thin, no beard, except on the upper lip and the top of the chin, a scar on one of his temples, also one on the back of his neck, a large knot on one of the bones of his right arm, near the wrist, produced by a blow.[6]
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:50pm On Sep 11, 2013
Jayvarley:


Nat Turner looks a bit like Chiwetel Ejiofor grin

grin. Yea he does. Though this observation doesn't matter, I saw a white who looked like just like Wole Soyinka, with all full beard and moustache!

Lemme quickly get his picture. wink
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by kwametut: 2:53pm On Sep 11, 2013
OVERVIEW BANTU PLACE NAMES IN UNITED STATES. grin grin grin

http://www.slave-studies.net/history/hs_es_placenames_ms.html
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 2:58pm On Sep 11, 2013
@Jayvarley

The person is Fred Douglas. He's an AA. Apparently, he looks too white! I mistook him for a whitey. grin

Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 3:04pm On Sep 11, 2013
kwame tut: @Jarvely,Radiollo,Bigfrances,Crayola1
NOW CAN YA'LL DO THE HONOURABLE THING AND HAND ME THIS THREAD. SINCE I RUN, NOW THIS IS "RANDLAND". cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin

THE IBO "POROUS BASKETS ARE DEFEATED WITH FACTS".
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

THANX TO HONEST NIGERIANS LIKE SHYMEX,OMONAOKADA AND OTHERS WHO ARE MY "FOLLOWERS".
cheesy grin grin grin grin

KWAME STANDS FOR THE TRUETH "NOT TRIBALIST PROPAGANDA". cheesy grin grin grin

IM NOT RELATED TO ANGOLA-CONGO AND MANDE/SENEGAMBIANS BUT WANTED TO "HIGHLIGHT THEIR PLIGHT". SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT THE "PLIGHT OF THE MIGHTY AKANS AND YORUBAS".


Are you really still writing to me? shocked Notice I have not been answering you? This thread has become VERY BORING!

Too much COPYING AND PASTING! Its like when you ring a phone number and an answering machine picks up grin grin grin

You seriously need a JOB!

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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Jayvarley(m): 3:15pm On Sep 11, 2013
bigfrancis21: @Jayvarley

The person is Fred Douglas. He's an AA. Apparently, he looks too white! I mistook him for a whitey. grin


In a black and white Photo, it can be easy to mistake him for a whitey and his features are quite Caucasoid and his hair and beard texture are loose.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by Nobody: 3:19pm On Sep 11, 2013
Gwendolyn Hall has been quoted in this thread to show Igbos were unwanted and useless.

The same Hall wrote: "...during the Spanish period in Louisiana the mean price of Igbo men was highest among the five most frequent ethnicities."

"The Igbo became one of the five African ethnicities found most frequently in Louisiana documents after 1803. Between 1804 and 1820, Igbo began to appear in higher proportions among all Africans and became one of the five most frequent ethnicities encountered in the documents. They were more heavily MALE than during the eighteenth century."

"Igbos were among the ethnicities ACTIVELY smuggled into Louisiana long after the foreign slave trade was outlawed. They were smuggled into Cuba in LARGE numbers as well."

"Igbo women were among the two African ethnicities whose women had the highest proportion of surviving children....The other ethnicity with high reproductive results were the Wolof....Mandinga women demonstrated relatively low reproductive results...Congo women's reproductive rate was substantially lower, possibly because of a high abortion rate among them..."

Now the interesting part:

"African-Americans are likely to be descended directly from African women via the female line because they have many more white male than white female ancestors. In the United States, our African mothers were reasonably likely to be IGBO or Wolof: a thesis which can eventually be tested through DNA studies".

This is not from Douglas Chambers who y'all believe to be pro-Igbo. The quotes are from Dr Gwendolyn Hall. Kwame has been quoting her researches, but CONVENIENTLY ignored these sections.

Its Okay. Me, I'm just passing by.

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Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 3:26pm On Sep 11, 2013
Jayvarley:


Are you really still writing to me? shocked Notice I have not been answering you? This thread has become VERY BORING!

Too much COPYING AND PASTING! Its like when you ring a phone number and an answering machine picks up grin grin grin

You seriously need a JOB!

Jay,

I did some research on him. I've noticed his immense hatred for Nigeria and Nigerians, especially Igbo people. His hatred didn't start today. He goes from thread to thread repeating the same thing he does here. This thing he does excites(Nigerians will say 'sweets') him a lot. He's really deriving fun from the attention being given to him.

In my research I discovered that this is not the first website he's done this thing. He's been doing it since last year on other websites before he found nairaland this year and joined.

He has 2 monikers, Awodwa Gyan-Oniwe and Kwame Tut. Awodwa Gyan-Oniwe is his older moniker which he used to register on other Nigerian sites like topixforum.com where he attached 'Prof' to his moniker and spewed hatred against Nigeria and the Igbo.
http://m.topix.com/forum/afam/TNTGIHD5TE7O93KOU/p105

When nobody seemed to be paying him attention again on topixforum.com, he joined nairaland with the same moniker and continued his hatred. Then decided to change monikers and opened the 'Kwame Tut' account.

Few minutes ago spam bot banned him for spam activities on his last post, that's the hidden post you see up above. Once spam bot bans you, you cannot comment using the account until the ban expires(usually 1 hour or 1 day). Then he logs back into his first Awodwa account to continue the hatred.

Go through his past posts on both accounts. What you'll see is pure hatred everywhere. Just pure hatred.

The Igbo people must really be some big people to him. That explains why he devotes all this time, attention and energy expressing hatred on them. I don't see him give any other Nigerian tribe this hatred he gives Igbos.

Our attention is giving him so much pleasure. The moderators have not yet taken note of him. He needs to be banned from nairaland, on both accounts. Any other account he opens and continues to spew hatred or any newly-opened moniker that starts to comment here with hatred and negativities will be him and will be banned as well. This man's problem is much bigger than we thought.
Re: Nigerian (igbo) & African American by bigfrancis21: 3:34pm On Sep 11, 2013
Radoillo: Gwendolyn Hall has been quoted in this thread to show Igbos were unwanted and useless.

The same Hall wrote: "...during the Spanish period in Louisiana the mean price of Igbo men was highest among the five most frequent ethnicities."

"The Igbo became one of the five African ethnicities found most frequently in Louisiana documents after 1803. Between 1804 and 1820, Igbo began to appear in higher proportions among all Africans and became one of the five most frequent ethnicities encountered in the documents. They were more heavily MALE than during the eighteenth century."

"Igbos were among the ethnicities ACTIVELY smuggled into Louisiana long after the foreign slave trade was outlawed. They were smuggled into Cuba in LARGE numbers as well."

"Igbo women were among the two African ethnicities whose women had the highest proportion of surviving children....The other ethnicity with high reproductive results were the Wolof....Mandinga women demonstrated relatively low reproductive results...Congo women's reproductive rate was substantially lower, possibly because of a high abortion rate among them..."

Now the interesting part:

"African-Americans are likely to be descended directly from African women via the female line because they have many more white male than white female ancestors. In the United States, our African mothers were reasonably likely to be IGBO or Wolof: a thesis which can eventually be tested through DNA studies".

This is not from Douglas Chambers who y'all believe to be pro-Igbo. The quotes are from Dr Gwendolyn Hall. Kwame has been quoting her researches, but CONVENIENTLY ignored these sections.

Its Okay. Me, I'm just passing by.

Thank you. I have that material but I withheld dropping the link since. That's the same Mildo Hall he claimed attacked Dr. Douglas Chambers.

I just discovered another PDF book, 'Slavery in Maryland' released by the Museum of Maryland, in conjunction with the University of Maryland(one of the top schools in the US). In the book, despite not focusing much on African Ethnicities and slave numbers, however they gave the most credence to the Igbo group for their participation in the slave trade.

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