Background: Some think that in Islam and The Quran
the substance alcohol is forbidden completely in all
forms, no matter the application or form.


Intoxicants are to be avoided according to The Quran:
O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and
sacraments, and games of chance are foul tools used by
the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be
successful. [5:90]

For example, the substance alcohol does have useful
properties (e.g. it is used in medicine, food production)
and can be used for these purposes:
They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: In
both of them there is a great harm and some profit/
benefits for men, but their harm is greater than their
profit/benefits... [2:219]

From the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you
make wine as well as a good provision. In that is a sign
for a people who reason. [16:67]

Thus, the substance alcohol is not banned, but it is
intoxication that is to be avoided. Interestingly, the
above verse provides a powerful message to reflect on,
i.e. we can use something in a positive way or in a
negative way, which one will we choose?

Beware of alchol every1

Rilwayne001: Background: Some think that in Islam and The Quran
the substance alcohol is forbidden completely in all
forms, no matter the application or form.


Intoxicants are to be avoided according to The Quran:
O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and
sacraments, and games of chance are foul tools used by
the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be
successful. [5:90]

For example, the substance alcohol does have useful
properties (e.g. it is used in medicine, food production)
and can be used for these purposes:
They ask you about intoxicants and gambling. Say: In
both of them there is a great harm and some profit/
benefits for men, but their harm is greater than their
profit/benefits... [2:219]

From the fruits of the palm trees and the grapes you
make wine as well as a good provision. In that is a sign
for a people who reason. [16:67]

Thus, the substance alcohol is not banned, but it is
intoxication that is to be avoided. Interestingly, the
above verse provides a powerful message to reflect on,
i.e. we can use something in a positive way or in a
negative way, which one will we choose?

alcohol consumption is prohibited in Islam.not even one drop is allowed to be tasted.medical use is permitted where needed.

verse 16:67 explains that from grape vine and palm trees one can derive both a good drink and also an intoxicating drink.it is therefore a sign from Allah (swt) for reasonable people to ponder upon.it is by no means saying that people should see both products as something good.it is just like saying "in the knife you derive both benefit (of using it in the kitchen) and also murder.this is a sign for a people who reason".does that saying permit murder?

Never try to justify the intake of alcohol @poster.

I believe in d quran..i dnt rely much on the hadith

Rilwayne001: I believe in d quran..i dnt rely much on the hadith

if yu are a muslim, your belief of Quran is thus useless if yu dnt believe in ahadith

Consumption is disallowed. But for other purposes, alcohol is ok.

Just like the leather from pig(if ever used) can be used for shoes, bags etc and won't be haram for a Muslim to use.

babylolaroy:
if yu are a muslim, your belief of Quran is thus useless if yu dnt believe in ahadith

Was is stated lik dat in the Quran?

The Verse Please?

^^You are derailing the thread. Let the discussion be and stay on alcohol consumption.

My question is, an intoxicant is an intoxicant only when it intoxicates.

Mu' meneen Brothers and Sisters,

As Salaam Aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. (May Allah's Peace, Mercy and Blessings be upon all of you)

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I had read your explanation about the Alcohol. Two points I want to clarify.

You have explained that Allah has forbidden any intoxicant to all beleivers. My question is, an intoxicant is an intoxicant only when it intoxicates. So why not use it as a medecine in very small quantities as it does not intoxicate.

Like for some people they do not react when a snake or a scorpion bites, for some people alcohol or wine does not react. So for such people the intoxicant is not an intoxicant. So why they cannot consume it? And besides the word intoxicate means to loose ones control mentally and physically. If one does loose control mentally and physically, then it means that he is not intoxicated. Please explain.

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Answer:

Quantity alcohol intoxicant

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Your statement: You have explained that Allah has forbidden any intoxicant to all beleivers.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verses 90-91:

O you who have believed! ‘Khamr’ (all types of intoxicants), games of chance, idols, and divining arrows are all abominable works of the Shaytaan; therefore, stay (far) away from these so that you may attain success. Indeed, the Shaytaan seeks to sow enmity and hatred among you by means of ‘khamr’ (intoxicants) and gambling, and to prevent you from the Remembrance of Allah and from Salaah. Will you not, then, abstain from these things?

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 3672 Narrated by Abdullah Ibn Abbas

The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: “Every intoxicant is ‘khamr’ (alcohol, wine, beer, etc.), and every ‘khamr’ is haraam.”

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2776 Narrated by Anas ibn Malik

Allah's Messenger (saws) invoked the curse of Allah on ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought.

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 4477 Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah

The Prophet (saws) said, "He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must not (even) sit at a cloth (table or gathering) where wine is being circulated."

Allah Subhanah and His Messenger (saws) have categorically forbidden the consumption of absolutely all types of intoxicants for the believers who sincerely fear Allah and the Last Day.

Your Question: My question is, an intoxicant is an intoxicant only when it intoxicates. So why not use it as a medecine in very small quantities as it does not intoxicate.

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 3679 Narrated by Aisha

I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: “Every intoxicant is haraam; if a (large) quantity of anything causes intoxication, a handful of it is (also) haraam.”

The majority of scholars are of the opinion that the use of intoxicants and other prohibited things as medicine, is unlawful. They base their arguments on the following guidance:

Wa'il ibn Hujr al-Hadrami reported that, "Tariq ibn Suwaid asked the Prophet (saws) if he could use alcohol as medicine. The Prophet (saws) replied: 'It is not a cure, but a disease'.'' (Related by Muslim, Abu Daw'ud, and Tirmidhi.)

Umm Salamah, the wife of the Prophet (saws) reports that he (saws) once said: "Allah has not placed a cure for your diseases in things that He has forbidden for you.'' (Related by Baihaqi and Ibn Hibban. Bukhari has also related the same hadith on the authority of Ibn Mas'ud.)

Abu ad-Darda reported that the Prophet (saws) said: "Allah has sent down both the malady and its remedy. For every disease He has created a cure. So seek medical treatment, but never with something the use of which Allah has prohibited.'' (Related by Abu Daw'ud.)

Your Question: Like for some people they do not react when a snake or a scorpion bites, for some people alcohol or wine does not react. So for such people the intoxicant is not an intoxicant. So why they cannot consume it? And besides the word intoxicate means to loose ones control mentally and physically. If one does loose control mentally and physically, then it means that he is not intoxicated. Please explain.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 5 Surah Maidah verses 90-91:

O you who have believed! ‘Khamr’ (all types of intoxicants), games of chance, idols, and divining arrows are all abominable works of the Shaytaan; therefore, stay (far) away from these so that you may attain success. Indeed, the Shaytaan seeks to sow enmity and hatred among you by means of ‘khamr’ (intoxicants) and gambling, and to prevent you from the Remembrance of Allah and from Salaah. Will you not, then, abstain from these things?

Such is the categorical prohibition of consuming any type or manifestation of ‘khamr’ or intoxicants in Islam that not only has The Lord Most Majestic prohibited the believers from ever consuming it, The All-Knowing All-Wise Lord has Commanded the believers to stay far away from it, if indeed they fear Allah and wish to attain salvation on the Last Day!

The appetite or level of intoxication of each individual might indeed be different; it is possible that one might need to drink a whole liter of whisky to get intoxicated, when another might get intoxicant with half a can of beer….that the consumption of alcohol intoxicates the human mind is not in question, but rather what quantity of its consumption intoxicates…for alcohol is indeed a natural intoxicant!

Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 3679 Narrated by Aisha

I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: “Every intoxicant is haraam; if a quantity of anything causes intoxication, a handful of it is (also) haraam.”

Such is the categorical prohibition of consuming alcohol in Islam, that not only did the Messenger of Allah (saws) call ‘intoxicants’ the ‘Umm-al-Khabaith’ (mother or root of all evil), but he (saws) declared that if one has knowledge that the consumption of a substantial quantity of something causes intoxication, even a handful (or drop) of it is also prohibited!

Although the Messenger of Allah (saws) explicitly declared the consumption of intoxicants as ‘haraam’, the words used in the Glorious Quran by Allah Subhanah for the prohibition of intoxicants is ‘fajtanebu’ (stay far far away from it!).

For example, the consumption of swine, or blood, or dead meat, etc. are declared as ‘haraam’ in the Quran…..but there is no prohibition if for any reason one happens to approach it or sits at a table where these ‘haraam’ products are being consumed…..The majority of the scholars and jurists in Islam are of the opinion that the term ‘fajtanebu’ (stay far far away from it!) is much more stronger than ‘haraam’, for not only are the believers forbidden from consuming intoxicants, they are forbidden from even coming near it!!!!

Sahih Muslim Hadith 4962 Narrated by Jabir ibn Abdullah

Allah's Messenger (saws) said: “Every intoxicant is haraam! Verily Allah, the Exalted and Majestic, made a covenant to those who drank intoxicants to make them drink ‘Tinat al-Khabal’. The companions asked: “O Allah's Messenger (saws), what is ‘Tinat al-Khabal?’” He (saws) said: “It is the sweat of the denizens of Hell, or the discharge of the denizens of Hell.”


If one trusts, obeys, and follows the guidance and commands of Allah and His Messenger (saws), one can be assured of never ever being misled; but if one believes, obeys and follows any other guidance, other than that of Allah and His Messenger (saws), one can be assured of being led astray.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,

Burhan

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"Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ‘If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.’ Say (O Muhammad): ‘Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad).’ But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers." (Quran: 3/31)

deols: ^^You are derailing the thread. Let the discussion be and stay on alcohol consumption.

come on baby, ah need to let him know. permit us a few distraction on our own...or how else can he know wat he doesnt?

babylolaroy:
come on baby, ah need to let him know. permit us a few distraction on our own...or how else can he know wat he doesnt?

Lemme knw please, am eager to learn

deols: ^^You are derailing the thread. Let the discussion be and stay on alcohol consumption.

It is actually an important discussion.

Rilwayne001:

Lemme knw please, am eager to learn

Salam bro, you can not seperate the Quran from the Sunnah which is recorded in the hadiths. Every ayah in the Quran is usually associated with a scenario in the life of the prophet. Hence understanding the context of revelation gives you a better understanding of the Quran. This is recorded in the hadiths.

Also, there are important sayings by the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him)which are recorded in the hadiths. Obey Allah and His messenger. Allah tells us to pray, the messenger shows us how... Allah says fast, the messenger shows us how. All of these are recorded in the hadiths.

tbaba1234:

Salam bro, you can not seperate the Quran from the Sunnah which is recorded in the hadiths. Every ayah in the Quran is usually associated with a scenario in the life of the prophet. Hence understanding the context of revelation gives you a better understanding of the Quran. This is recorded in the hadiths.

Also, there are important sayings by the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him)which are recorded in the hadiths. Obey Allah and His messenger. Allah tells us to pray, the messenger shows us how... Allah says fast, the messenger shows us how. All of these are recorded in the hadiths.

thank you tbaba. in addition to that: believe in Hadith means total believe in existence and prophethood of prophet Muhammad. Obedience to Hadith means obedience to Muhammad and that means obedience to Allah
there is a quranic verse to d effect that obedience to Muhammad is obedience to Allah. i hope tbaba will elp me provide dat
buh i know one Q4:29...atihu llaha wa atihu rasul...obey Allah and obey the messanger...
without respect for hadith, one cant adequately observe tgis quranic verse

salam

Rilwayne001: I believe in d quran..i dnt rely much on the hadith

Okay.
How many ra'kats do you observe for maghrib. If it is three, did you conclude on the number from the Qur'an or the hadith?
Bottom line: You can't separate the hadeeth from the Qur'an.
The two posts above this have said it all anyway, I just had to chip this in.

It isnt that i dnt belive in tha hadith at all, but i dont rely much on em, cuz i find it very difficult in choosin d sunni hadith nd that of shia...

tbaba1234:

It is actually an important discussion.

The forum has rules. If you want to talk to him about anything other than the Op of this thread, you should open another thread for it.

I will hide all derailments.

After now, all derailments will warrant a ban.

Rilwayne001:

Do i open anoda thread

Yes. Go ahead please. That is the right thing to do.

@AbdH,

About the pic you posted about the prophet cursing people who deal with alcohol. Can you confirm whether that hadith is about the beverage or dealing with alcohol in all forms?

Because, for example, the spirit used in cleaning wound is alcohol. A more concentrated one for that matter. Would having a company that deals in its production or helping people clean their wounds or having your wounds cleaned with it be haram?

I think the hadith is about the beverage.

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deols: @AbdH,

About the pic you posted about the prophet cursing people who deal with alcohol. Can you confirm whether that hadith is about the beverage or dealing with alcohol in all forms?

Because, for example, the spirit used in cleaning wound is alcohol. A more concentrated one for that matter. Would having a company that deals in its production or helping people clean their wounds or having your wounds cleaned with it be haram?

I think the hadith is about the beverage.

Why are you asking the question now? Eh? After I asked it? You didnt see the problem with the pic until an atheist raised it?
And before you say that I'm derailing.....I doubt that the Prophet made such a wide curse on all use of alcohol (my opinion). So I agree with you on this issue....sha waiting for ABDH's response