Ihuomadinihu:
Odenigbo Aroli, you are actually a Confused IDIOT. What warranted the name calling? Asaba citizens are aware and proud of their ancestral links with Benin though the remain igbos. Why not read about the relationship between Western Igbos and Benin The is a reason why Imo state is called the Igbo heartland. Igbo is a nation,mixed up with different people,with different ancestral origin bound by same culture and language. Is that difficult to understand? Uncommon Fool!!
Never quote me again! Go and display your immaturity else where.

Again,Asaba doesnt have any Benin origin...Go and read their history ,perhaps you do make a better arguement. Asaba has Igala migrants but they have no origin in Benin. Do your research before you start arguing.

OdenigboAroli:

Again,Asaba doesnt have any Benin origin...Go and read their history ,perhaps you do make a better arguement. Asaba has Igala migrants but they have no origin in Benin. Do your research before you start arguing.

You need to put things in context when you read my comments in future. Asaba-Benin origin does not mean that all the founders of Asaba came from Benin. Asaba is melting pot consisting of Igbos(Anambra),Idah/igala(Nnebisi) and Benin. The first settlers in Asaba are Ikelike people from Benin! That Arochukwu has links with Efik does not mean that they all originated from them...SMH. I was trying to explain to the ikwerre guy about ancestral links and affliation before your rude interruption.

Ihuomadinihu:
You need to put things in context when you read my comments in future. Asaba-Benin origin does not mean that all the founders of Asaba came from Benin. Asaba is melting pot consisting of Igbos(Anambra),Idah/igala(Nnebisi) and Benin. The first settlers in Asaba are Ikelike people from Benin! That Arochukwu has links with Efik does not mean that they all originated from them...SMH. I was trying to explain to the ikwerre guy about ancestral links and affliation before your rude interruption.

Oga,Nnebisi is from Nteje in Anambra and that is the first recorded settler in Asaba land. If there is any Bini connection it must have come via Umuezechime(Onitsha) movement to Anambra. Asaba existed before Onithsa was created and i dont know who is Ikelike and this Ikelike is he Benin or he is an Igbo who is a resident in Benin territory like Ezechime ?

OdenigboAroli:

Again,Asaba doesnt have any Benin origin...Go and read their history ,perhaps you do make a better arguement. Asaba has Igala migrants but they have no origin in Benin. Do your research before you start arguing.

Well, i dont believe that residing and migrating from Bini, makes one a Bini. Nnebisi didn't meet an empty land on his journey from Nteje to Ahaba, he met some groups of people occupying the land already, prominent among these groups was the Ezeanyanwu group, Anyanwu their leader is believed to be a descendant of Ezechima, or at least, have a Bini connection. Makes you wonder why we should be having Binis with Igbo names, Ezechima,Akalaka,Ezeanyanwu,etc, don't they have names in Bini language. It's only logical to believe that those so called Bini entities,were but Igbos that once lived amongst the Bini, and headed home(East) when things went awry in Bini Kingdom.

Nnebisi united those groups he met,and established Ahaba. Before the arrival of Nnebisi, there was no Ahaba. Nnebisi descendants would later absorb the descendants of Ezeanyanwu, Ugboma and the rest of the aborigenes to form the Ebos of Ahaba.
So, via Ezeanyanwu, Ahaba has a bini connection,in addition to the already established Igala and Nteje connection, even though i don't believe that Ezeanyanwu was a Bini.

Ihuomadinihu:
You need to put things in context when you read my comments in future. Asaba-Benin origin does not mean that all the founders of Asaba came from Benin. Asaba is melting pot consisting of Igbos(Anambra),Idah/igala(Nnebisi) and Benin. The first settlers in Asaba are Ikelike people from Benin! That Arochukwu has links with Efik does not mean that they all originated from them...SMH. I was trying to explain to the ikwerre guy about ancestral links and affliation before your rude interruption.

Ikelike people, are the supposed bini linked first settlers of Ogwashi ukwu,and not Ahaba.

pazienza:

Ikelike people, are the supposed bini linked first settlers of Ogwashi ukwu,and not Ahaba.

'Asaba' here stands for ancestral relationship between all Western igbos and Benin.

pazienza:


Well, i dont believe that residing and migrating from Bini, makes one a Bini. Nnebisi didn't meet an empty land on his journey from Nteje to Ahaba, he met some groups of people occupying the land already, prominent among these groups was the Ezeanyanwu group, Anyanwu their leader is believed to be a descendant of Ezechima, or at least, have a Bini connection. Makes you wonder why we should be having Binis with Igbo names, Ezechima,Akalaka,Ezeanyanwu,etc, don't they have names in Bini language. It's only logical to believe that those so called Bini entities,were but Igbos that once lived amongst the Bini, and headed home(East) when things went awry in Bini Kingdom.

Thank you jare. I don't reside in my state of origin, I grew up elsewhere. I behave like people around me,talk like them,feel comfortable around them,i practice their culture, etc. When i introduce myself to people,i quote my residential area not my state of origin. Is it that difficult for people on this thread to understand?? Migratory roots and ancestral links does not necessarily mean origin. Rather these returnees and retreating members of Umu Chima band were more or less Igbo only in name and Dna. Culture and lifestyle became edoid due to long exposure to Benin traditions.

OdenigboAroli:

Oga,Nnebisi is from Nteje in Anambra and that is the first recorded settler in Asaba land. If there is any Bini connection it must have come via Umuezechime(Onitsha) movement to Anambra. Asaba existed before Onithsa was created and i dont know who is Ikelike and this Ikelike is he Benin or he is an Igbo who is a resident in Benin territory like Ezechime ?

Nnebisi met Aboriginals with bini links in Asaba before he settled there. Nnebisi was fathered by Onojobo an Igala man who was taking care of Diaba(Nnebisi's mother). Onojobo was with Eze Anyanwu's group. Nnebisi is an Igala man but was raised in Nteje,his maternal home o!
Maybe you find it hard to swallow,but Asaba is a blend of Igbo,Igala and Benin people. Igbos assimilated or dominated the other groups. Don't start an argument without a concrete evidence. Ikelike people(bini) were the first settlers of Ogwashiukwu and by extention giving credence to the benin-western igbo relationship.

Ihuomadinihu:
You need to put things in context when you read my comments in future. Asaba-Benin origin does not mean that all the founders of Asaba came from Benin. Asaba is melting pot consisting of Igbos(Anambra),Idah/igala(Nnebisi) and Benin. The first settlers in Asaba are Ikelike people from Benin! That Arochukwu has links with Efik does not mean that they all originated from them...SMH. I was trying to explain to the ikwerre guy about ancestral links and affliation before your rude interruption.

Ikelike people are Igbo. Ikelike is an Igbo name, and the Ikelike people were never Bini people. They are full-blooded Igbo people. When Ogwashi-Ukwu migrants arrived from Nri, they met the original Igbo inhabitants, the Ikelike people. It is totally wrong to link Anioma history to Benin Kingdom. Igbo people existed long before the evolution of Bini/Edo people. It is likely that majority of today's Bini land was part of the Igbo nation. But due to the expansion and forceful leadership of the Bini people, some of the original Igbo communities were absorbed and most of the original Igbo inhabitants there fled towards the East.

Now, let's look at the truth regarding the Ikwerre Igbo. The Ikwerre people have ancestral links with the Etche, Ngwa, Ohaji, and Uratta. The Ikwerre remember one of their ancestors called Iwhuruohna or Iwhuoha, and this is just the same Igbo name "Ihuoha" found in Etche. Igbo leaders need to organize re-orientation seminars aimed at correcting the distortions on Igbo history. Most importantly, the identity crisis among the Igbo of the South-South is caused by the fact that they are not grouped together with majority of their Igbo brothers in one geopolitical region. So, grouping the entire Igbo people together in one region will totally solve this identity crisis. We all are Igbo.

Donarozzi:

Ikelike people are Igbo. Ikelike is an Igbo name, and the Ikelike people were never Bini people. They are full-blooded Igbo people. When Ogwashi-Ukwu migrants arrived from Nri, they met the original Igbo inhabitants, the Ikelike people. It is totally wrong to link Anioma history to Benin Kingdom. Igbo people existed long before the evolution of Bini/Edo people. It is likely that majority of today's Bini land was part of the Igbo nation. But due to the expansion and forceful leadership of the Bini people, some of the original Igbo communities were absorbed and most of the original Igbo inhabitants there fled towards the East.

Now, let's look at the truth regarding the Ikwerre Igbo. The Ikwerre people have ancestral links with the Etche, Ngwa, Ohaji, and Uratta. The Ikwerre remember one of their ancestors called Iwhuruohna or Iwhuoha, and this is just the same Igbo name "Ihuoha" found in Etche. Igbo leaders need to organize re-orientation seminars aimed at correcting the distortions on Igbo history. Most importantly, the identity crisis among the Igbo of the South-South is caused by the fact that they are not grouped together with majority of their Igbo brothers in one geopolitical region. So, grouping the entire Igbo people together in one region will totally solve this identity crisis. We all are Igbo.

Its sad that Ohaji, Etche, Ndoni and sometimes Oguta people claim not to be Igbo. What a tragedy!!! Why an Ndoni or Ikwerre man would see himself more related to a Bini man than an Igbo man is incomprehensible!! Glottochronology is the classification of people according to language attrition. The strongest anthropological store of history is the language...It says a lot about our origin (no pun intended). I wont say more than this...He who has ears let him hear! I used to wonder why people believed the likes of Rev King of Lagos and other false prophets...but now I know: even well educated and cultured people lack the basic gift of rationality!!

Donarozzi:

Ikelike people are Igbo. Ikelike is an Igbo name, and the Ikelike people were never Bini people. They are full-blooded Igbo people. When Ogwashi-Ukwu migrants arrived from Nri, they met the original Igbo inhabitants, the Ikelike people. It is totally wrong to link Anioma history to Benin Kingdom. Igbo people existed long before the evolution of Bini/Edo people. It is likely that majority of today's Bini land was part of the Igbo nation. But due to the expansion and forceful leadership of the Bini people, some of the original Igbo communities were absorbed and most of the original Igbo inhabitants there fled towards the East.

Now, let's look at the truth regarding the Ikwerre Igbo. The Ikwerre people have ancestral links with the Etche, Ngwa, Ohaji, and Uratta. The Ikwerre remember one of their ancestors called Iwhuruohna or Iwhuoha, and this is just the same Igbo name "Ihuoha" found in Etche. Igbo leaders need to organize re-orientation seminars aimed at correcting the distortions on Igbo history. Most importantly, the identity crisis among the Igbo of the South-South is caused by the fact that they are not grouped together with majority of their Igbo brothers in one geopolitical region. So, grouping the entire Igbo people together in one region will totally solve this identity crisis. We all are Igbo.

Let's leave that we are all igbos to the past and history. Afterall, linguistics shows that Yoruba and Igbos probably seperated sometime ago.We are trying to flesh out the ethnic composition of Delta igbos. We might all be 'igbos' but a distinct identity like Benin/Edo had already been established long before Asaba was founded.

Ihuomadinihu:
Nnebisi met Aboriginals with bini links in Asaba before he settled there. Nnebisi was fathered by Onojobo an Igala man who was taking care of Diaba(Nnebisi's mother). Onojobo was with Eze Anyanwu's group. Nnebisi is an Igala man but was raised in Nteje,his maternal home o!
Maybe you find it hard to swallow,but Asaba is a blend of Igbo,Igala and Benin people. Igbos assimilated or dominated the other groups. Don't start an argument without a concrete evidence. Ikelike people(bini) were the first settlers of Ogwashiukwu and by extention giving credence to the benin-western igbo relationship.

Stop jumping around and stand one place with your point; Didnt you say Ikelike group were Binis who Nnebisi met on arrival? Its obvious you know little about Enuani history but you wanna teach people who has been studying them for some time. You keep saying "Bini people " with nothing to prove they are Bini. Early Igbo occupied a big chunk of what is known as Bini land and environs but exodus started when unrest was triggered in the territory. Stop saying "Benin" people and learn that these migrants were already Igbo with Bini cultural influences and thats why they have Igbo names and culture to prove their identities. Ezechime and the rest of the groups that left Bini during the unrest were full blooded Igbo. Not a single Bini because Bini didn't have to leave because they control the kingdom. This is common sense.

Donarozzi:

Ikelike people are Igbo. Ikelike is an Igbo name, and the Ikelike people were never Bini people. They are full-blooded Igbo people. When Ogwashi-Ukwu migrants arrived from Nri, they met the original Igbo inhabitants, the Ikelike people. It is totally wrong to link Anioma history to Benin Kingdom. Igbo people existed long before the evolution of Bini/Edo people. It is likely that majority of today's Bini land was part of the Igbo nation. But due to the expansion and forceful leadership of the Bini people, some of the original Igbo communities were absorbed and most of the original Igbo inhabitants there fled towards the East.

Now, let's look at the truth regarding the Ikwerre Igbo. The Ikwerre people have ancestral links with the Etche, Ngwa, Ohaji, and Uratta. The Ikwerre remember one of their ancestors called Iwhuruohna or Iwhuoha, and this is just the same Igbo name "Ihuoha" found in Etche. Igbo leaders need to organize re-orientation seminars aimed at correcting the distortions on Igbo history. Most importantly, the identity crisis among the Igbo of the South-South is caused by the fact that they are not grouped together with majority of their Igbo brothers in one geopolitical region. So, grouping the entire Igbo people together in one region will totally solve this identity crisis. We all are Igbo.

As for Ikwerre,am really tired of those people. Ancestral ties to Benin does not mean Benin Origin,i already explained that in my earlier posts.

internetpirate:

Its sad that Ohaji, Etche, Ndoni and sometimes Oguta people claim not to be Igbo. What a tragedy!!! Why an Ndoni or Ikwerre man would see himself more related to a Bini man than an Igbo man is incomprehensible!! Glottochronology is the classification of people according to language attrition. The strongest anthropological store of history is the language...It says a lot about our origin (no pun intended). I wont say more than this...He who has ears let him hear! I used to wonder why people believed the likes of Rev King of Lagos and other false prophets...but now I know: even well educated and cultured people lack the basic gift of rationality!!

I think its right time we quit quarreling ourselves about who is Igbo and who is not. I mean,we dont need to. I lived in Lagos and we had a neighbour who is from Ukwuani. This man will tell you he isnt Igbo and claim they are more related the Bini peoe. We will argue about this but finally he agrees he is "Ika Igbo"
So,he had his first child and name him Chukwudi,had the second and named Chidimma,had the third and named him Ifeanyi and the last one Chinenye...lol
And oneday I called him and say you can deny who you are but you cant change your DNA!
Look at all these Delta Igbo who deny Igbo and and you will notice they are slowly falling into the Igbo identity because thats who they are and they cant run from it. None of them gives their children Benin name...I wonder why !

OdenigboAroli:

Stop jumping around and stand one place with your point; Didnt you say Ikelike group were Binis who Nnebisi met on arrival? Its obvious you know little about Enuani history but you wanna teach people who has been studying them for some time. You keep saying "Bini people " with nothing to prove they are Bini. Early Igbo occupied a big chunk of what is known as Bini land and environs but exodus started when unrest was triggered in the territory. Stop saying "Benin" people and learn that these migrants were already Igbo with Bini cultural influences and thats why they have Igbo names and culture to prove their identities. Ezechime and the rest of the groups that left Bini during the unrest were full blooded Igbo. Not a single Bini because Bini didn't have to leave because they control the kingdom. This is common sense.

You are too antagonistic and forward! You started throwing insults immediately you saw my post without looking into the subsequent posts. Am not owing you! There is a way to reject and refute someone's opinion without throwing shaddy remarks.

internetpirate:

Its sad that Ohaji, Etche, Ndoni and sometimes Oguta people claim not to be Igbo. What a tragedy!!! Why an Ndoni or Ikwerre man would see himself more related to a Bini man than an Igbo man is incomprehensible!! Glottochronology is the classification of people according to language attrition. The strongest anthropological store of history is the language...It says a lot about our origin (no pun intended). I wont say more than this...He who has ears let him hear! I used to wonder why people believed the likes of Rev King of Lagos and other false prophets...but now I know: even well educated and cultured people lack the basic gift of rationality!!

Rubbish all the black people in America speak English are they English. Most Northern Nigerians speak Hausa are they Hausa. Swahili is the language or lingua franca of many Africans but that does not make them Swahili.
The claim that the strongest anthopological store of history is very funny indeed. Who speaks latin today? The English are a "germanic" people but the similarities are very far from obvious.Language tell more about the present than the past. If not for Nigeria many people who call themselves Ibo would not do so they would just acknowledge affinity and kindred with other neighbouring groups. To say Ikwerre are Ibo without addressing the question of Ibo Origin is very superficial

@Odenigbo Aroli, Nnebisi, an Igala man met Aboriginals in Asaba before he settled amongst them. Ikelike are migrants from Benin that settled in Ogwashiukwu. I already stated that these bini migrants with igbo names had adopted the bini culture hence the similarity bwt Bini and Western igbos. Is that hard to get?? You jump into threads without having a background knowlegde of issues that matter. The purpose of my thread is show the ikwerre guy that igbo is Nation,a blend of many cultures. If ikwerre can stand alone,then Ohafia or Nsukka can equally stand alone respectively.

@Odenigbo. When Rivers and Delta igbos claim bini,we need to understand that they refer to that part of their history associated with bini,esp the sojourne of their ancestors in bini. They should be reminded that cultural fusion,nationality by marriage,ancestral links does not necessarily define origin. They should understand that we are a blend of many things,bound together by similar language with many dialects,similar but yet distinct culture. You have to understand people's opinion before rushing in with your rude self.

op....your post contradicts ur claim bcuz all the names u mentioned originated from d igbo language....akalaka is adulterated akaraka meaning talent, a kwerulam is a bastardized ekwerelam....my guy reason am nau

shut up there now ......u dat dont even knw d meaning of ur moniker


p.s: ur moniker means good thing lies ahead.

Ihuomadinihu:
Tell them! I am Igbo,i don't understand what they speak in Nsukka and Ebonyi state. Daft confused people!

Ikwerreboy:

This is to tell you how the power of majority can affect the minority.
The igbos are greedy and you should 1st put that into consideration.
The life of an ikwerre man is very different from that of an igbo man.(I wish you visit port harcourt if you have not to understand this.

Even the Ikwerre communities that share boundaries with the igbos have a very different culture and traits.

Skin and body stature are totaly different.

The igbos really dealt with us the Ikwerre.

The Igbos understands highest 20% of every ikwerre language spoken because of our relationship then. I school in abia state as an ikwerre man(From omerelu). when me and my brother speaks they find it very to understand what we are saying.

Nna mehn, e remain small una be imo state na! Omerelu and Imo na almost one. Oh well as a kalabari man, I have norrin to say. I know Ikweres hate to be reffered to as Igbos but Igbos claim the Ikweres came from them.
Make una ask lord lugard biko.

benELOHIM7: shut up there now ......u dat dont even knw d meaning of ur moniker


p.s: ur moniker means good thing lies ahead.

Lol,who is this one? Can you make a reasonable contribution to this thread without being rude?

No need to say "rubbish", my brother; appeal to my reason with reasonable arguments, and I will submit to your logic if its superior. So far? Im am not convinced!

Glottochronology is that part of lexicostatistics dealing with the chronological relationship between languages according to Wikipedia. "The study of language divergence, the rate of change of meaning and sound of words, which allows historians to investigate when languages split from each other and estimate the source or proto-language from which language families and groups developed. Glottochronology is an extension of Lexicostatistics, which was developed in the 1950s by the American linguist Morris Swadesh. It is a contentious field, given that there is dispute over the rate of linguistic change and the selection of a typical, unbiased vocabulary list for comparison."

From the above submission, can the Ikwerre dialect be a corruption of Bini language or is it rather a "divergence" from the original Igbo language? Why dialects exist is because of this divergence! I can speak the most basic Ohafia and you wont understand a word...even something as simple as "nitutemni usan nri" which is the same as "nyegodim efere nri" in central Igbo or "please give me a plate of food" in English, sounds completely different in Ohafia, but is a testimony to the amalgam of languages that make up a language, and stems from this "divergence": "usan" is Efik or Ibibio for plate, while "nri" is food in Igbo...I dont know the origin of "nitutemni" .

The language people speak is a strong pointer to their history- most black people in America speak English because their history is replete with colonisation by English people (who were very successful slave drivers); Swahili and Hausa are simplistic languages spoken by people who were largely influenced and colonised by the owners of the languages, saying something significant about their[b] history[/b][/b]. I served in Borno state, and can testify that most Kanuris are affronted when you refer to them as Hausa; a significant number cant even speak Hausa....yet they are a dominant Northern tribe, but werent colonised at any point in their [b]history by Hausa speakers!!!

I CAN say Ikwerres are Igbos without addressing the subject of the origin of the Igbos, and you know why? T.S Eliot in his Four Quartets said "Time past contained in time present point to one end which is unredeemable-Time future". If what I am seeing is what has become of the past of the Ikwerre people (speaking a largely Igbo dialect), then while it is possible that Ikwerres are not Igbos, it is highly improbable!!!

iwonbaoko: Rubbish all the black people in America speak English are they English. Most Northern Nigerians speak Hausa are they Hausa. Swahili is the language or lingua franca of many Africans but that does not make them Swahili.
The claim that the strongest anthopological store of history is very funny indeed. Who speaks latin today? The English are a "germanic" people but the similarities are very far from obvious.Language tell more about the present than the past. If not for Nigeria many people who call themselves Ibo would not do so they would just acknowledge affinity and kindred with other neighbouring groups. To say Ikwerre are Ibo without addressing the question of Ibo Origin is very superficial

internetpirate[s:
]No need to say "rubbish", my brother; appeal to my reason with reasonable arguments, and I will submit to your logic if its superior. So far? Im am not convinced!

Glottochronology is that part of lexicostatistics dealing with the chronological relationship between languages according to Wikipedia. "The study of language divergence, the rate of change of meaning and sound of words, which allows historians to investigate when languages split from each other and estimate the source or proto-language from which language families and groups developed. Glottochronology is an extension of Lexicostatistics, which was developed in the 1950s by the American linguist Morris Swadesh. It is a contentious field, given that there is dispute over the rate of linguistic change and the selection of a typical, unbiased vocabulary list for comparison."[/s]

Even more rubbish

A quark is an elementary particle and a fundamental constituent of matter. Quarks combine to form composite particles called hadrons, the most stable of which are protons and neutrons, the components of atomic nuclei.[1] Due to a phenomenon known as color confinement, quarks are never directly observed or found in isolation; they can be found only within hadrons, such as baryons (of which protons and neutrons are examples), and mesons.[2][3] For this reason, much of what is known about quarks has been drawn from observations of the hadrons themselves.

There are six types of quarks, known as flavors: up, down, strange, charm, bottom, and top.[4] Up and down quarks have the lowest masses of all quarks. The heavier quarks rapidly change into up and down quarks through a process of particle decay: the transformation from a higher mass state to a lower mass state. Because of this, up and down quarks are generally stable and the most common in the universe, whereas strange, charm, bottom, and top quarks can only be produced in high energy collisions (such as those involving cosmic rays and in particle accelerators).

FROM THE ABOVE SUBMISSION WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT IKWERRES CAME FROM BABYLON!!

Just to highlight how irrelevant and ridiculous the twaddle you posted is. i have no intention of convincing you! I am writing for the record.

Superior logic? That is childish talk. What is my argument ?? Do you know? I doubt it

It s quite simple i.e we have no idea where Ibos or Ikwerres come from. All the verbiage is just guesswork and noise!!

LOL!!! I wont quarrel with your propensity to be rude...I guess most Nigerians are under economic strain, and a good outlet is to let of steam in form of rudeness to faceless people on the internet. As an Igbo man, I was brought up to be accommodating and polite...and make my arguments without using invectives.

The crux of the matter is whether Ikwerres can reasonably be said to be Igbos and that has no bearing on the origin of Igbos or Ikwerres. What matters is a logical/rational interpretation of the facts as presented today! I don't know the origin of electricity (or your example, quarks), but I know what electricity is from what it does in the present...its attributes are apparent! Any time I experience anything that behaves like electricity, whether via AC or DC, I know it is electricity. I am no engineer nor have I been to a power plant, so all I know about electricity is hearsa, yet I can recognise it when I see it!! Is this logic to hard for your to wrap around your sarcasm?

iwonbaoko:

Even more rubbish

A quark is an elementary particle and a fundamental constituent of matter. Quarks combine to form composite particles called hadrons, the most stable of which are protons and neutrons, the components of atomic nuclei.[1] Due to a phenomenon known as color confinement, quarks are never directly observed or found in isolation; they can be found only within hadrons, such as baryons (of which protons and neutrons are examples), and mesons.[2][3] For this reason, much of what is known about quarks has been drawn from observations of the hadrons themselves.

There are six types of quarks, known as flavors: up, down, strange, charm, bottom, and top.[4] Up and down quarks have the lowest masses of all quarks. The heavier quarks rapidly change into up and down quarks through a process of particle decay: the transformation from a higher mass state to a lower mass state. Because of this, up and down quarks are generally stable and the most common in the universe, whereas strange, charm, bottom, and top quarks can only be produced in high energy collisions (such as those involving cosmic rays and in particle accelerators).

FROM THE ABOVE SUBMISSION WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT IKWERRES CAME FROM BABYLON!!

Just to highlight how irrelevant and ridiculous the twaddle you posted is. i have no intention of convincing you! I am writing for the record.

Superior logic? That is childish talk. What is my argument ?? Do you know? I doubt it

It s quite simple i.e we have no idea where Ibos or Ikwerres come from. All the verbiage is just guesswork and noise!!

i was so wrong for joining issues with you in the first place....dummy

Ihuomadinihu:
Lol,who is this one? Can you make a reasonable contribution to this thread without being rude?

internetpirate: LOL!!! I wont quarrel with your propensity to be rude...I guess most Nigerians are under economic strain, and a good outlet is to let of steam in form of rudeness to faceless people on the internet. As an Igbo man, I was brought up to be accommodating and polite...and make my arguments without using invectives.

The crux of the matter is whether Ikwerres can reasonably be said to be Igbos and that has no bearing on the origin of Igbos or Ikwerres. What matters is a logical/rational interpretation of the facts as presented today! I don't know the origin of electricity (or your example, quarks), but I know what electricity is from what it does in the present...its attributes are apparent! Any time I experience anything that behaves like electricity, whether via AC or DC, I know it is electricity. I am no engineer nor have I been to a power plant, so all I know about electricity is hearsa, yet I can recognise it when I see it!! Is this logic to hard for your to wrap around your sarcasm?

I certainly can recognize RUBBISH when I see it!!! You must be a very sensitive boy. Rubbish is not an invective.It is just an apt description of what you have written.It is what it is ...............rubbish.

benELOHIM7: i was so wrong for joining issues with you in the first place....dummy

Some people jump into a decent thread just to display their immaturity. Be civil!!

Ikwerreboy:

Have stayed in abia state as a student for 3yrs now.
When i first came into abia state i found it vry difficult to understand igbo. things i could understand were:
1. Bia (come)
2. Ego (money)
3. Ofe ( soup) e.t.c
But when dey use any of those words to make a sentence i dnt understand. i only understand d single word its self. e.g bia. which i knw is come.

Bia Nwokem onye Ikwerre, note that reconstructring your ancestry the way you are doing shall leave you ever marginalized. Crude oil shall stop flowing or lose value any day. Even at that, without the cover of the Igbo in Nigeria, oil producing states in the SS may not receive even 1% from derivation. Sorry for you. But it is known that there are a tiny percentage of Ikwerres who are this foolish as you. There may be more than 35 miliion Igbos, so what makes you believe that Igbo people may like to struggle to convert other non Igbos and their land to become Igbo and Igboland repectively? Need for access to sea? Have you ever heard of Lesotho and other prosperous countries that are landlocked? The most prosperous countries in the world - Switzerland and Japan - have no crude oil. If all Ikwerres are like you, one would suggest that when the current agents of destruction finally breaks up Nigeria, Ikwerres shall be left to remain behind in new Nigeria with their preferred friends outside Igboland. To conquer you and "colonize" crude oil in the SS during the civil war, they brainwashed some of your Ikwerre fathers to believe that Igbo was their greatest enemy. The brilliant ones among you had since realized that the brainwashing was a divide-and-rule tactic, but dullards still do not understand what happened. Igbo had never used force to acquire anything in Rivers state before. Every Ikwerre surname is Igbo, did Igbo people impose such names to your ancestors? Stop marginalizing the Ikwerres, the likes of late Senator Obi Wali may give you a hard knock from the grave for doing that.

Ikwerreboy:

This is to tell you how the power of majority can affect the minority.
The igbos are greedy and you should 1st put that into consideration.
The life of an ikwerre man is very different from that of an igbo man.(I wish you visit port harcourt if you have not to understand this.

Even the Ikwerre communities that share boundaries with the igbos have a very different culture and traits.

Skin and body stature are totaly different.

The igbos really dealt with us the Ikwerre.

The Igbos understands highest 20% of every ikwerre language spoken because of our relationship then. I school in abia state as an ikwerre man(From omerelu). when me and my brother speaks they find it very to understand what we are saying.

You've been telling lies here because nobody has been here to counter you. Stop the lies. Imo State people understand Ikwerre 90% and 100% depending on the part of Imo you are talking about. Ohaji for example speaks exactly same dialect with Omerelu your village albeit more deviated when you get to Egbema. Don't ever dare use language as evidence as you will be dealt severe blow in that aspect.

What you call difference in character between Igbo and Ikwerre is the often jealous secluded nature of natives of any rapidly expanding city. It exists in Onitsha. It also exists in Aba where you live. The natives in a bid to safeguard their identity often create a different life style that distinguish them from the settlers and often lay emphasis on that. The advantage of expensive land to sell and raise capital makes them laid back in terms of hustling and often see the settlers as over struggling. It exists even outside Igboland like Lagos Omoniles who act differently from Osun or Ekiti settlers.

The reason why Ikwerre is not Igbo is simply because Ikwerres don't have the conviction of being Igbo especially since 1970. So next time don't come up with falsehood as evidence of being distinct.

Characteristics of Benin-Igbos like myself

1) We've always had centralised leadership Eze-Igwe or Obi. Ikwerre has never had Kingship.

2) We have Iyasara in Igbo or Iyase in Benin

3) We have the Dein or Umudei

4) Names like Iwuorisha, Orisha, Nworisha, Osemeke, Adizua, Ossai, Oputa etc are of mixed language. Probably Edo + Igbo. They don't exist in Ikwerre. My Mum is from Isiokpo.

5) We are highly educated long before other Igbos. You can check it from Oguta, Onitsha, Anioma. Ikwerres aren't.

To me Ikwerres are related to Etche and Oratta and the Europeans made no mistake classifying them as same. Ohaji, Etche, Uratta and Ikwerre are same stock with Ikwerre being the most divergent.

Abagworo:

You've been telling lies here because nobody has been here to counter you. Stop the lies. Imo State people understand Ikwerre 90% and 100% depending on the part of Imo you are talking about. Ohaji for example speaks exactly same dialect with Omerelu your village albeit more deviated when you get to Egbema. Don't ever dare use language as evidence as you will be dealt severe blow in that aspect.

What you call difference in character between Igbo and Ikwerre is the often jealous secluded nature of natives of any rapidly expanding city. It exists in Onitsha. It also exists in Aba where you live. The natives in a bid to safeguard their identity often create a different life style that distinguish them from the settlers and often lay emphasis on that. The advantage of expensive land to sell and raise capital makes them laid back in terms of hustling and often see the settlers as over struggling. It exists even outside Igboland like Lagos Omoniles who act differently from Osun or Ekiti settlers.

The reason why Ikwerre is not Igbo is simply because Ikwerres don't have the conviction of being Igbo especially since 1970. So next time don't come up with falsehood as evidence of being distinct.

Characteristics of Benin-Igbos like myself

1) We've always had centralised leadership Eze-Igwe or Obi. Ikwerre has never had Kingship.

2) We have Iyasara in Igbo or Iyase in Benin

3) We have the Dein or Umudei

4) Names like Iwuorisha, Orisha, Nworisha, Osemeke, Adizua, Ossai, Oputa etc are of mixed language. Probably Edo + Igbo. They don't exist in Ikwerre. My Mum is from Isiokpo.

5) We are highly educated long before other Igbos. You can check it from Oguta, Onitsha, Anioma. Ikwerres aren't.

To me Ikwerres are related to Etche and Oratta and the Europeans made no mistake classifying them as same. Ohaji, Etche, Uratta and Ikwerre are same stock with Ikwerre being the most divergent.

Mr man. am an ikwerre man from omerelu. when and how come ohaji nd omerelu nw speaks desame language for God sake? Do u knw wat your saying at all?
Why didnt u include obima,obidioga nd Elele?
You must be silly for saying dat.
If omerelu speaks dsame language with ohaji how come we are not igbos nd why the so much hatred btwin the omerelu nd the ohaji people?
Why is the community names inside omerelu sounding ikwerre nd not igbo?
In omerelu we have community names like:
Omuchi- in omerelu
Omuhombia- In omerelu
Omueke- in isiopko
Omubisi-In ibaa
omuagwa- In omuagwa

Abeg no talk watin u no know.
The bishop of ikwerre diocese(Anglican) is currently from omerelu.
The ogbakor ikwerre convention was recently conducted in Omerelu.