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My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 5:24pm On Aug 31, 2014
Africa, particularly Nigeria will never be on the same industrialized level as the progressing and technologically advanced Asians who are strongly in touch with their pagan/traditional root, for it is unfortunate that someone like the OP and the other who listed Arabic names of an Arab idols happen to be in the majority in this colonial nation and in it government. How can we move forward? It is appalling to see that the minds of my fellow youths has been irredeemably conditioned by their equally brainwashed parents and the profit-making, jet-owning pastors and religious houses to believe Jehovah and or Allah of the Jewish and Arabic tribes are our salvation and the ONLY solution to our multifaceted problems, while failing to realize that despite the so called leaders of Nigeria who keep swearing oath with either of the two Holy Book these Abrahamic idols are based on before assuming public office, nevertheless still continue to indulge in heinous corruption borne out of utter greed, why can't the citizenry see that it is because these humans in government have seen and tested that no Jesus nor Mohammed nor Allah nor Yahweh has done anything to punish them, nor has there been any angel nor malak sent to descend from heaven or al-jana to deal with them for swearing on the names of their master, and as a result there's extreme retrogression in the country and could continue to be.


For instance no stable electricity supply ever since the colonials left, death traps of horrible roads and deplorable streets everywhere, lack of social amenities and basic infrastructures that any modern society is defined by such as uninterrupted electricity supply instead of generator importation, absence of mass transit achievable through functioning railway system network as there are all over Europe, Canada, France, USA, UAE etc but instead the same adopted Abrahamic religions is constantly utilized by the leaders of Christendom and Islamdom in Nigeria to knowingly (but unconcerned) plunge the republic deeper into an anomic society by continuing to sweet-preach their followers with the materialistic notion that the proof of God's blessing in their lives is if they can acquire fortune and wealth (by any means provided tithes and offerings are regularly paid), drive excellent cars (that we don't manufacture but import fairly used ones mostly), then what threat should the unavailability of electricity supply pose when you can buy the best electric generator or the biggest diesel plant (which is another import depended industry in Nigeria).

Thanks to the religion-cum leadership of Nigerian, the youths are becoming more decadent as trends passes by, check out the sort of lewd musicals and musical videos churning out here and there, the kinds of lascivious "boskona/bendown-select" apparels imported massively for our female-folks to exhibit their features for irresponsible married men who flash the cash looted from whatever branch of the government or private sector they may have corruptly fixed themselves into via man-know-man, clique-pact or intimidation breeding more incompetency and perpetually driving a cycle of square pegs in round holes system to which when the heat is hot they remember to resort to the diabolic aspect of our various indigenous mysticism.

It is part of human nature to be sympathetic, violent, loyal, lustful, greedy, dishonest, angry, loving, aggressive etc because they are all constructed from the emotion triggered by either a physical or psychological stimuli and to which each and every society of the world have devised various ways to curb this mortal proclivities such as the rustic but effective 'check and balance' system of our distant ancestors to the different forms of governments perfected over centuries by the whites to suit their style of living without relating it to religion for they understood religion as something meant to private. Now that these colonially borrowed governments is adopted in Nigeria and fused with Abrahamic religions, Nigeria can never work, and if you think it will one day, then where's the sign, from plane crashes, to crippled national security resulting to internal terrorism (Boko Haram) to kidnapping and armed robberies (unemployment), to inadequate health systems (ebola and malaria surge) etc.

There would still be cases of embezzlement and misappropriation of public funds for ours is a breed of humankind that doesn't understand the colonial concept of the rule of law of a given constitution as they do in those country where these concepts where created and perfected to manage and govern their society, hence various kinds of government and system of rule that best suit them, now to import that here to use and apply will never WORK for ours are the lawbreaking lawmakers who with impunity still continue to trample over the oppressed and widen the gap between the filthy rich and the pauperized poor class. Hence it should suffice that the only solution is the re-invention of our ancestral check and balance that our ancestors used in ancient times to suppress and eventually kill any corrupt disposition by making any would-be candidate to pledge his/her manifestos by swearing a binding oath never to do so, so and so in the contactivated presence of sixteen to thirty two of the native deities of the land that whatsoever way shall be taken to reverse it should bring forth a wrath so devastating his/her beloved ones shall perish because EKWENSU and OGUN and ISHOKI and AZIZA and SANGO and MAZHILLI and CHIDON and SHOPONA and AYILALA and MAGIRO and OSISIKANKWU and OGHENE and OKIJA and AMADIOHA and eighteen other aggressive deities are more than up to the task, all they just need to do is to steal a penny and the result is seen instanta! The difference between all our various native deities who are all subject to OLODUMARE/ABASI/CHUKWU/UBANGIJI/ and the idols called Allah and Yahweh(Jehovah) is that no one needs to behead any oath violator as it is proudly carried out in Saudi Arabia, no one needs to defend these native deities of our ancestral lands which our ancestors used to govern their society peacefully centuries before the advent of the missionaries and jihadists who used deception to demonize what we had and usurp our lands and enslave our mind and reasoning process. The native deities are automatic after been configured towards a specific task. But unfortunately the generations of today are bereft of the cultural knowledge associated to each and every one these deities and will instead make list of all the names the Arabs calls an elevated idol from the Quraysh tribe and the Jews call a Canaanite idol from a Semitic tribe called Judah.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by maynation(f): 5:31pm On Aug 31, 2014
What's ur point?
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 5:35pm On Aug 31, 2014
maynation: What's ur point?
My point is why would you an African, perhaps a Yoruba or an Hausa or a Igbo on Nairaland, could so believe "the national god of an Iron Age kingdoms of Judah(then) and Israel(today) is what we should all be praying to, begging for solution to our societal problems and be referring to as the ultimate authority to guide the African way of life, same to the Arabic idols of a deity. I have watched documentary that even explained Yahweh and Allah as a Bronze Age idol.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by nwaobitex: 6:02pm On Aug 31, 2014
too long.
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 6:07pm On Aug 31, 2014
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On Google there, it says...
..."I am Yahweh your Idol, who brought you out of..."

Now someone should tell us how Yahweh spoke, did they see his mouth talking? Don't say through the spirit he speaketh to the heart, because I would tell you I have hallucinated before and did experienced a lot of weird altered perception to which I might have attributed to a deity or god or spirits if I was a religious zealot, hadn't I knew better. Neuroscience, pharmacogenomics, pharmacokinetics and pharmacotherapy can explain how hallucinogenic substance affects the CNS such that it makes one vividly experience that aspect of one's self-suggestive imagination core which wouldn't be different from someone claiming to be vessel of divine revelation and message.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Gboliwe: 6:19pm On Aug 31, 2014
nwaobitex: too long.
and poointlessly boring

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 6:50pm On Aug 31, 2014
Gboliwe: and poointlessly boring
Thanks for notifying me so, more importantly we appreciate you and nwaobitex for making yourselves known as those whom the topic is referring to. How can you guys rid yourselves off this slavish way of thinking, because it's obvious you're in support of Abrahamic religion else you could have just read it and chose not to comment at all or state your reason why you'd disagree. Do you have any idea how many Nigerians are rotten away in Israeli prisons or how many Africans have had their limbs amputated for one misdeed or the other? You and I know that Nigeria is the most religious colonial nation on this planet, Nigerians who believe in these middle-eastern idols more than those who are living in their originating nations and then why haven't Yahweh or Allah elevated Nigeria to their status in terms of security (Israel) and Saudi Arabia (Oil economy) such that no one would have the need to travel out to other country to commit crime?

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by plaetton: 6:50pm On Aug 31, 2014
@Op

Thank you , thank you so much.

You have made my day.

Many times I just feel like weeping my eyes out, if only it could draw attention to the aggressively marketed stupidity of my Nigerian brothers and sisters.
May times I feel like vomiting when I see black-skinned bona-fide Africans publicly advertise their ignorance, s.tu.pid.ty , illiteracy and SELF-DEPRECATION.

What the hell happened to us?

Why are we still mental slaves to the stone-age superstitions of another race tens and thousands of miles from our domains, especially in this modern times.

There is no single day that an African m.o.ron does not approach me to give my life to Yahweh.

The funny thing is that no Jew has ever approached me to worship yahweh.
No Chinese has ever approached me to give my life to Buddha.
No Indian has ever approached me to give my life to Lord Shiva or Ganesh.

Did colonial experience magically cut off some areas of our brains?

Are we genetically low in cranial dexterity, and therefore unable to formulate critical thoughts as implied by many racist whites?

Our obsession with religion, especially custodial religious myths of stone-age middle east people is just a mystery that i cannot ever understand.

It is strange that no one has so far raised an alarm about recurring incidents of mass failure in WAEC and other national exams.
Somehow, no one is intelligent enough to see the clear link with the obsession with religious garbage and the inability to properly develop the critical areas of our children's learning, thinking and problem-solving abilities.

I have asked on this forum why advanced nations do not include in their children's academic curriculum, the types religious garbage thatwe force-feed our children in Nigeria.

One mo.rr.on stopped my on the road the other day to preach to me, the moment I mentioned science, he shouted " to hell with science ".

I then asked him he uses a computer and a mobile phone, he said yes. I asked him if he ever takes medicine when he is sick, he said yes.

I just shook my head and walked away.

Honestly , I have silent moments of tears when I think of the very very low level of mental output , the clear dearth of intelligence fostered upon my African people by this very toxic religion.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by plaetton: 7:54pm On Aug 31, 2014
maynation: What's ur point?

The point is that only a zombie walks around without a self-identity.

Anyone, I repeat, anyone without a cultural identity, a cultural backbone is as good as the mythical zombie.

Anyone who does not value his culture and heritage is a NOBODY, an invisible, mentally fragmented NOBODY.

Anyone who swaps his cultural heritage for imported wishy washy nonsense will undoubtably inherit a wishy washy worldview.

Any African who calls him or herself a child of Abraham or an Israelite should be sold into slavery for one glass of African palm wine. That is what that person is worth.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Ranchhoddas: 8:27pm On Aug 31, 2014
maynation: What's ur point?
where is your brain?

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by krayzieklay(m): 11:15am On Oct 05, 2014
Its so unfortunate that beautiful topics like this won't make it to the front page.

Good work,Op.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by PAGAN9JA(m): 11:30am On Oct 05, 2014
This deserves FP. but with the level of bias here, cant expect anything much.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by macof(m): 1:31pm On Oct 05, 2014
Nice OP. Mods should push this to front page

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by kevoh(m): 1:54pm On Oct 05, 2014
Before it gets to Frontpage, OP try to put the whole write up in paragraphs. That way, it would be easier to get your points across.

Nice message by the way!

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 2:57pm On Oct 05, 2014
kevoh:
Before it gets to Frontpage, OP try to put the whole write up in paragraphs. That way, it would be easier to get your points across.

Nice message by the way!

It's now in paragraph and also modified.

Thanks for reading. I'll rather prefer this topic Islamic Slavery In Africa on front page. Thanks for taking time to read.

@krayzieklay
Thanks you also for taking time to read.
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by GooseBaba: 4:19pm On Oct 05, 2014
Sometimes I wonder..... Even the diabolical missionaries did not sell Nigerians such demented version of their religion.

No thanks to military mis- rule, uncertainties, poverty, laziness and greed... Nigeria christians and muslims now embrace darkness and call it light.. Tufiakwa

If you look at the big picture. These religious zealots are just lazy. Instead of challenging the status quo, they try to wish it away through prayers and fasting.

How can you reason with an African/Nigerian that believes he/she is a bonified gentile and the so called creator of the universe has a chosen people that happens to live in a different country and looks nothing like them... Smh

I'm not worried about the white man's greed . I'm super worried of an African that prays for Israel, or sees mecca as a holy land. By doing this they've made themselves easy pickings.. Kolomentanlity of a demented African..

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by plaetton: 4:30pm On Oct 05, 2014
GooseBaba:
Sometimes I wonder..... Even the diabolical missionaries did not sell Nigerians such demented version of their religion.

No thanks to military mis- rule, uncertainties, poverty, laziness and greed... Nigeria christians and muslims now embrace darkness and call it light.. Tufiakwa

If you look at the big picture. These religious zealots are just lazy. Instead of challenging the status quo, they try to wish it away through prayers and fasting.

How can you reason with an African/Nigerian that believes he/she is a bonified gentile and the so called creator of the universe has a chosen people that happens to live in a different country and looks nothing like them... Smh

I'm not worried about the white man's greed . I'm super worried of an African that prays for Israel, or sees mecca as a holy land. By doing this they've made themselves easy pickings.. Kolomentanlity of a demented African..


Epic!

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Pr0ton: 4:49pm On Oct 05, 2014
Now this is the spirit
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 6:03pm On Oct 05, 2014
GooseBaba:
Sometimes I wonder..... Even the diabolical missionaries did not sell Nigerians such demented version of their religion.

No thanks to military mis- rule, uncertainties, poverty, laziness and greed... Nigeria christians and muslims now embrace darkness and call it light.. Tufiakwa

If you look at the big picture. These religious zealots are just lazy. Instead of challenging the status quo, they try to wish it away through prayers and fasting.

How can you reason with an African/Nigerian that believes he/she is a bonified gentile and the so called creator of the universe has a chosen people that happens to live in a different country and looks nothing like them... Smh

I'm not worried about the white man's greed . I'm super worried of an African that prays for Israel, or sees mecca as a holy land. By doing this they've made themselves easy pickings.. Kolomentanlity of a demented African..

Followed you instantly, not only because you raised points but you did it in a way that suggest we share the same line of thoughts regarding this subject.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by 2kris(m): 1:02pm On Oct 06, 2014
plaetton:
@Op

Thank you , thank you so much.

You have made my day.

Many times I just feel like weeping my eyes out, if only it could draw attention to the aggressively marketed stupidity of my Nigerian brothers and sisters.
May times I feel like vomiting when I see black-skinned bona-fide Africans publicly advertise their ignorance, s.tu.pid.ty , illiteracy and SELF-DEPRECATION.

What the hell happened to us?

Why are we still mental slaves to the stone-age superstitions of another race tens and thousands of miles from our domains, especially in this modern times.

There is no single day that an African m.o.ron does not approach me to give my life to Yahweh.

The funny thing is that no Jew has ever approached me to worship yahweh.
No Chinese has ever approached me to give my life to Buddha.
No Indian has ever approached me to give my life to Lord Shiva or Ganesh.

Did colonial experience magically cut off some areas of our brains?

Are we genetically low in cranial dexterity, and therefore unable to formulate critical thoughts as implied by many racist whites?

Our obsession with religion, especially custodial religious myths of stone-age middle east people is just a mystery that i cannot ever understand.

It is strange that no one has so far raised an alarm about recurring incidents of mass failure in WAEC and other national exams.
Somehow, no one is intelligent enough to see the clear link with the obsession with religious garbage and the inability to properly develop the critical areas of our children's learning, thinking and problem-solving abilities.

I have asked on this forum why advanced nations do not include in their children's academic curriculum, the types religious garbage thatwe force-feed our children in Nigeria.

One mo.rr.on stopped my on the road the other day to preach to me, the moment I mentioned science, he shouted " to hell with science ".

I then asked him he uses a computer and a mobile phone, he said yes. I asked him if he ever takes medicine when he is sick, he said yes.

I just shook my head and walked away.

Honestly , I have silent moments of tears when I think of the very very low level of mental output , the clear dearth of intelligence fostered upon my African people by this very toxic religion.
it obvious that u have deep headed ur self into pagan worship..but let me tell u the more advanced truth those ur idol u worship have spirits that are send by someone called the devil to cause havok in a peacefull community.paganism does not pay one minute i can tell u for sur ur life is going to be miserable forget the level of ur knowledge or judgment u placed manly on the xtians no wahala. God give everybody mouth and even give some sharper mouth u ar against xtians and i put it to u that is total disrespect for once religion considering the level of ur knowledge haba.u will not and never bring xtians to pagan worship........no wounder u no dey make front page
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 11:52pm On Oct 06, 2014
2kris:
it obvious that u have deep headed ur self into pagan worship..but let me tell u the more advanced truth those ur idol u worship have spirits that are send by someone called the devil to cause havok in a peacefull community.paganism does not pay one minute i can tell u for sur ur life is going to be miserable forget the level of ur knowledge or judgment u placed manly on the xtians no wahala. God give everybody mouth and even give some sharper mouth u ar against xtians and i put it to u that is total disrespect for once religion considering the level of ur knowledge haba.u will not and never bring xtians to pagan worship........no wounder u no dey make front page
I detect no "advanced truth" in your bickering other than revealing yourself to be yet another irredeemable Abrahamist-defending African who isn't much different from those armed Boko Haram who fights for the tenets attached to the religion of their Arab slave masters. If you and the likes of you are provided with the chance to kill in the name of defending the religions of your European slave masters, you all won't hesitate.

We the self-discovered Africans with genuine identity feel highly sorry for the unthinking majority which you unfortunately belong to, for been incapable of ejecting your mindset from the same ambit of false labellings and religion brainwashing the Euro-arab colonials and jihadists used in brainwashing your forefathers, the war mongering Fulani arabs and the European imperialists describe what they saw according to their set beliefs that is based on their concocted religions of blood and gore, they were self-misinformed to which they care less, the price of human slaves and material resources was more significance than checking out, much less of learning the believe system of us 'heathens' and 'kafiris', a believe system so complicated and encompassing that an aspect of it wherein matters provided by nature were used to construct artifices to which certain universal forces yet unknown to modern science can be contactivated for various reason is what you call 'idol', because your slavemaster labelled it so.

Why can't you reach inward yourself and unlock that ability to reason as a humans do, if you already have, then why haven't you pondered aloud that why doesn't the wooden and ceramic sculptured figures of Jesus Christ in crosses, crucifix and posters never counts as idols? Why hasn't it occurred to you that it also therefore qualifies as 'idolatry' to pray and bow to the statue of Mary and all other saints, to be fixated on those objects called tesubiu and rosary. If Wole Soyinka, a devotee of the Ogun divinity brought me water from river Osun, uttered some words on it, and gives me to bath, you'd condemned us as pagans damned for a fictitious location the Christians call hell-fire on behalf of its mother religion - Judaism, but if you or your Muslim converts observe ablutions and water baptism, it is accepted, same way a spiritual cleansing of water brought from River Ganges would be acceptable in your mind had it been it were the Hindus that enslaved your folks if they had decided to colonized. If a herb and root-working grandad gives me something to chew for a metaphysical purpose, you are all quick to condemn such deeds as ways of the infidels and yet not only do you all gleefully accept what you are given to chew during Holy Communions but also ignorantly import, buy and ride pagan products such as Bajaj commercial tricycles and other machinery made by Honda, Sanyo, Sony etc which are manufactured with the minds and hands of those who your likes regard as unbelievers for not knowing/accepting Christ or Mohammad as judged from a book, and still yet hypocritically imports from their pagan nations of Japan, China and India). Need I say more? Come on, have a rethink and learn to spell correctly. You talked of spirit which you clearly know nothing of, except maybe your so called Holy Spirit which I am very certain is unrealistic and self-complicating, how can an incorporeal entity be holy? Holy towards what? How could an immateriality be conscious of been holy? It's just utter nonsense, as a critical scientist and a believer and investigator of a particular aspect of our ancestral believe system (Ifa) the supernatural efficacy of what I call YAS or what is erroneously known as juju but in actuality is Yoruba Advanced Science, in all my explanation of this YAS on past Nairaland posts, I always avoid to use the term 'spirit' at all cost because many don't even know it's a specious idea borne of a misleading religious framework. A contradiction at worst. Okay say we are to accept spirits do exist, where do they reside? How do they operates, who has actually seen one? I mean for real, and the devil is supposedly a spirit, who has glimpsed the devil before for real? It takes delusion for humans to accept from a book that spirits (Angel and Jesus) could bear virtues such as been 'Holy' or capable of possession (demons) and yet have no clue as to how to interact with them like a scientific human would with an atomic and sub-atomic particles to learn about their behaviours and attributes.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Nobody: 3:49am On Oct 07, 2014
2kris:
it obvious that u have deep headed ur self into pagan worship..but let me tell u the more advanced truth those ur idol u worship have spirits that are send by someone called the devil to cause havok in a peacefull community.paganism does not pay one minute i can tell u for sur ur life is going to be miserable forget the level of ur knowledge or judgment u placed manly on the xtians no wahala. God give everybody mouth and even give some sharper mouth u ar against xtians and i put it to u that is total disrespect for once religion considering the level of ur knowledge haba.u will not and never bring xtians to pagan worship........no wounder u no dey make front page

Unbridled aroogance Championing another mans way of life and beliefs!

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Akindarchi(m): 6:46am On Oct 07, 2014
You guys make it seem like Nigerians were faring so much better before Christianity and islam was introduced . Last time I checked the people were happily pagan and deeply connected to their roots when the villages were raided by other natives on the command of their leaders to supply the slave market, many "deities" were simply warriors that had died (eg Sango), and communities fought against each other.
Anyhow, you are entitled to your butt-hurt.
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by 2kris(m): 6:56am On Oct 07, 2014
DoctorFaust:


Unbridled aroogance Championing another mans way of life and beliefs!
if i may ask u how did these world came to be??
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Nobody: 7:20am On Oct 07, 2014
2kris:
if i may ask u how did these world came to be??


Do not diverge from the main issue at hand here... We are not here trying to impress upon each other our personal views on how the world came to be... but rather it is how we can value our own culture and believe and make them springboards to development rather than make our lives calling the propagation of foreign religions...

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 8:19am On Oct 07, 2014
Akindarchi:
You guys make it seem like Nigerians were faring so much better before Christianity and islam was introduced.
You are obviously misinformed based on your regurgitated falsehood which is typical of how most Nigerians I've come across get to respond. They have always got it wrong, which isn't their fault since at a tender age, it is far easier to believe several of these sort of appealing but specious facts that has been fed down our minds for years from the primary schools to high institutions.

First of all, understand that there was never a country called Nigeria before Christianity and Islam were foisted on us by the Arab Jihadists as done by the Fulani Arabs and the European imperialists (missionaries and colonialists). Nigeria came into existence through a process called 'amalgamation' i.e. the forceful union of incompatible ethnicity in the ominous four-one-nine year of 1914.

Centuries before then, there were regions occupied by various ethnic groups [and except for the waring Fulanis who had been devastating tribal societies in west Africa in their jihad-fueled campaign] such as the Ijaws in Ijawland, Igbos in Igboland, Igalas in their Igala-land, Tivis in their Tivi-land, Beroms in their Berom-lands, Gwari in their Gwari-lands, etc and the Kotu-oji-ires (the Yorubas) in their lands, as matter of the fact - there was nothing like the term 'Yorubas' prior to the coming of the colonialists, it was the British who stuck to what the Fulanis designated those living the southwest as ' yaribanza ' (sons of bastard) when they came in contact with the new rulers of the installed caliphate system of those usurped hausawa kingdoms.

Proponents of British imperialism sided with the Islamic-cum feudalism not only because they shared a 'pale skin-tone' in common as a genuine Fulani naturally appears, but also because they (the British) foresaw a contingent opportunity in the emirate structure instituted by these kinds of imperialists colonizing on behalf of their superiors far away in Arabian kingdoms. Countless of the northern regions now called Hausa-lands vanquished through guile, manipulation and incessant wars, had their original rulers executed for the crime of been been closer to nature or what you call 'paganism', they were tagged Kaffirs (infidels) just exactly the same way the Christian Crusaders of the middle ages tagged those whose lands and resources were destroyed, occupied and taken over as heathens and unbeliever of Christ the Lord, not much difference in the two since their heinous crimes on humanity was adjudged in the same two-most Holy Books those who now think themselves Nigerians now accept as the ultimate source of authority to which every facet of their lives is checked with, while the Europeans have employed Christianity as one of those strong tools for economic grasp in respect to Euro-american capitalism and industrialization today, which are both wholesomely beneficial, the Arabs are unrelenting in their unceasing attempts to do the same thing through the guise of Jihad throughout the world, which in our own case here in west Africa are still strongly intent on "dipping the Quran" into the oceans of the southern coasts.

Both in the middle east and everywhere religious terrorism is conducted, it is a pity that our dark-skinned fellows up north and their Semitic counterparts in the middle-east have been brainwashed since childbirth do not realize that the endgame is all about economic grasp. Hence he or she is willing to strap explosives on his/her chest holding a dead-man trigger to blow up humans whom the masterminds behind-the-scene has painted 'infidels'. All these are exactly the same way Christians in Nigeria and all over the world behave generally in respect to the nature of their proselytism, evangelism and catechism, difference is just that, the world economic as it it stand today is within the clutches of Euro-america whose forefathers utilized Christianity among other ruse to control and direct this world's economy. Funny thing is, it wasn't as they really planned, though their ever curious mindset has always been obsessed on exploring for the sole purpose of exploitation hinged on economic gains and turnovers unlike the Fulani version of the colonial Arabs who do the same with utter annihilation of tribal kingdoms and societies.


Akindarchi:
Last time I checked the people were happily pagan and deeply connected to their roots when the villages were raided by other natives on the command of their leaders to supply the slave market, many "deities" were simply warriors that had died (eg Sango), and communities fought against each other. Anyhow, you are entitled to your butt-hurt.
The last time you checked was those times you were fed with bogus information of false history. At least I can speak for the Yorubas based on the researches I've conducted, no inter-tribal raiding or battles occurred frequently among the various tribes of those now called the 'Yorubas' today except for those externally induced conflicts that resulted from the continuous domino effects caused by the turmoils brought forth by successive Islamic campaigns Jihads that were mounted by numerous horse-riding Fulani-Arab attackers to effect slave raids on fleeing villagers whose abode was continually destabilized from tribal societies to entire ravaged African kingdoms. It is obvious you are one of the majority of the Nigerian youths that believes our forefathers never knew how to cloth themselves until the Europeans brought clothing and mirror, right? Click here to read why that is a falsehood. Do remember to tell others like you to do personal researches before going about spewing falsehood here and there whilst unknowingly derogating and judging the ways of our ancestors. I would have loved to school you on the dualistic realities of the four hundred Yoruba divinities such as Ṣango, Ọrunmila, Eṣu etc but that is a topic that deserve a thread of its own.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Nobody: 8:59am On Oct 07, 2014
Akindarchi:
You guys make it seem like Nigerians were faring so much better before Christianity and islam was introduced.
My brother I applaud you. I'm a proud African and all that noise, but sometimes I find it very difficult to blame white people when they call blacks apes. Actually that's even an insult to apes because some black people seem to be less intelligent than apes. The fact is, we were tree dwellers when the very first European stumbled across an African. Thus we went from being primitive leaf sewing tree dwellers to 'civilised men', omitting all the prerequisite steps the white men themselves had to take to get to that level. Left to me, educating us was the worst thing they could've done to us. They should've just left us to develop at our own speed. It might've taken a few centuries, but eventually we would have gotten there. Necessity is the mother of invention, unfortunately our environment just wasn't challenging enough to 'force' us to invent things. Our own was just to hunt bushmeat and procreate, while the white men had to survive in harsh winter conditions (thus being forced to invent things like fur coats, boots etc) and hone their hunting skills because of the size of their prey and unfriendly environment.
That's why we misuse and bastardize everything. The average white man's goal is to make his 'people' (nation) superior to others, so as to lord it over them (Hitler), our own objective is to lord it over our own people, instead of looking for a means to become globally relevant. Give the average black man the choice of making his country the most powerful nation on earth or becoming a rich man, wealthy enough to look down on his neighbours and 90% will go for option 2.
That's why our leaders just steal as much money as they can and borrow some more when they're done. Do you know it doesn't make any sense for Nigeria to be poor? It's unimaginable that a country as rich as ours could be so poor. I have no problem with religion, but when it begins to suppress common sense, then it becomes an issue. Religious leaders say we should sit down in our houses and pray for God to leave heaven and come down to earth to touch our leaders, that's insane. If there's going to be a change in Nigeria, we'll need a revolution. Check the history books, it is only through revolution that progress is made. The animal instinct in us dictates we should subdue our fellow men, that's why the greeks sought out a more advanced form of leadership (and the Romans perfected it). Today, Nigerian leaders try to practice a hybrid of democracy and dictatorship. It's because there still resides a primitive animal in most africans and until we get rid of it, we're just going to keep repeating this vicious cycle. Today's youths will eventually become politicians and their corrupt fathers will tell them to embezzle public funds, then they'll indoctrinate their own children when they grow up and on and on till eternity.
Let's forget about meeting up with the rest of the world and focus on developing ourselves. We're already years behind the western world anyway, might as well use the opportunity to grow psychologically....
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by pureIvory(f): 12:46pm On Oct 07, 2014
I think religion is not to be blamed for the atrocities going on in Nigeria and Africa in general. What should be blamed is the way people understand it.
People pray for something but they don't work towards it that's just the problem.
people use religion to cover up their evil deeds which is bad.

Even before the whites came we believed in one true God that is master to small gods and we did things for ourselves and pray to God who rewards our efforts.We had a wonderful way of living. Good leadership, good management and even inventions. No one was brainwashing us into believing in what we believed as you say the whites brainwashed us into believing in God and the commandments of God.

As a matter of fact we should be thanking the missionaries cos they were the ones who really came to our aid by teaching us unlike the colonial masters who came for their own gain. The missionaries helped stop most of our evil believes such as killing of twins etc and what we do now is say they harm us with their religion.
If you say Africans are still slaves to the white then you are saying the truth cos you are still a slave mentally even when you think you are an exception because you don't believe in religion and the way Africans think, you actually do cos if not for what you see and think of the whites and how you so much want Africans to be industrialized and developed like the whites instead of developing Africa in its own unique way so the whites will want to be like Africans.
Or have you forgotten that civilization started in Africa?
Why did we send them back to their country saying we don't need them when we end up doing things the way they do instead of doing it the African way.

Instead of saying religion did this and that why not just change the way we understand religious teachings and the way we hold the whites high.
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by ghostofsparta(m): 6:15pm On Oct 07, 2014
BlackStallion:

The fact is, we were tree dwellers when the very first European stumbled across an African. Thus we went from being primitive leaf sewing tree dwellers to 'civilised men', omitting all the prerequisite steps the white men themselves had to take to get to that level.

Brother, even a bozo would never spew such baseless nonsense, that our forefathers were dwell in trees before European came, this shows you've being fed with lots of Tarzanic falsehood. I don't need to enlighten, go to my post here to see an illustration of, and read on how the cave dwellings natives were civilized and designated as 'Britons' of 'Britannia' by the expanding Roman empire at an age where several African kingdoms were already flourishing. Many like you don't understand that civilization is so relative that it can be measured from that of another race or ethnic group, an object of pottery or style of eating from the Chinese civilization may seem primitive in the eyes of the Spanish type of civilization, likewise those of various Africans would seem to foreign invaders. If you know of the great African military commander called Hannibal of Carthage, a black African whom the Romans republic feared such that they refuse to build a statue for him as they do with their defeated enemies as per their historical knowledge. At the time of this said Hannibal, Africans in the interior or specifically the Kutu-oji-ires had for long perfected their society with a system of government characterized by effective check and balances that not only resulted in the development of our peculiar kinds of sciences and technologies but which also had men in harmony with mother nature whilst some Europeans tribal race like the whites Briton you you've been brainwashed brought 'mirror' were still covering their genitals with animal skin and furs. Guy, it's high time you need to start having some good rethinking.


BlackStallion:

Left to me, educating us was the worst thing they could've done to us. They should've just left us to develop at our own speed. It might've taken a few centuries, but eventually we would have gotten there. Necessity is the mother of invention, unfortunately our environment just wasn't challenging enough to 'force' us to invent things.
I'm not surprise there your knowledge is limited to what has been shoved down your throat since childhood. Can you please expatiate better on what you meant "educating us" ? Are you saying there aren't challenging conditions in Africa that could have spurred us to invent? You are so wrong, aside from other Africans who built enormous structures such as the ancient Egyptian negroes, how were the Yorubas able to manufacture jigi?, Was it the Europeans that taught the Ijẹbus, Ijaws, Ilajẹs and other riverine dwelling tribes how to manufacture huge boats and medium-sized rafts which they used for sea-borne movement and fishing farther in the seas? I have once watched a very, very old documentary where some members of an African tribes in Congo or so, I'm not sure, were being videoed as they collectively constructed a bridge to aid passage in marshy-like tropic, they looked like hunters or so, but anyone could tell how good they were at what they did so dexterously it could be called team work. If you watch it, your mind would respond in a programmed way of regarding it as uncivilized and primitive whilst forgetting that Africa was the bedrock of all civilization. Click here to read some clarification I gave as to the working of a certain native technology certain so called Yoruba primitives used for conquering distance in a short time.

BlackStallion:
Our own was just to hunt bushmeat and procreate, while the white men had to survive in harsh winter conditions (thus being forced to invent things like fur coats, boots etc) and hone their hunting skills because of the size of their prey and unfriendly environment.
You are also wrong about such thoughts, are you saying hunting of bush-meats are the only less perilous task our ancestors did, if you're are a Yoruba, go ask your elders to list you the names of ẹran-gbẹ (wild dangerous animals) which our forefathers, and the ancestors before them hunted not only with perfected skills but sometimes with the aid of certain kinds of what I call Yoruba Advanced Sciences erroneously known to many as juju which they apply to secure their safety and good hunt. I can see you reason in a way that shows you elevate the white man's ways of accomplishing their environmental challenges as if they only hunted deers that looked like tigers and bears that moved like dragons with spears and arrows that's too sabered to be used for puny animals likes rabbits, squirrels and boars, abi? Brother, abeg wake up.

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Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by Alexk2(m): 6:41pm On Oct 07, 2014
Too long, uninteresting and baseless.
funny enough itz pointless thread like this that made fp these days.

Op., ur opinion shouldnt be expressd like a commandment on a forum like NL.
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by 2kris(m): 7:39pm On Oct 07, 2014
ghostofsparta:

I can answer your question if you can explain what you meant by "came to be??"
how did these world came to belike whose ideas is these world.secondly i want to know wat dey pagans believe about the origin of the world(i mean according to afrika religion)
Re: My Reaction To The Front Page Topic: "Names Of God And Their Meanings" by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:47pm On Oct 07, 2014
pureIvory:
I think religion is not to be blamed for the atrocities going on in Nigeria and Africa in general. What should be blamed is the way people understand it.
People pray for something but they don't work towards it that's just the problem.
people use religion to cover up their evil deeds which is bad.

Even before the whites came we believed in one true God that is master to small gods and we did things for ourselves and pray to God who rewards our efforts.We had a wonderful way of living. Good leadership, good management and even inventions. No one was brainwashing us into believing in what we believed as you say the whites brainwashed us into believing in God and the commandments of God.

As a matter of fact we should be thanking the missionaries cos they were the ones who really came to our aid by teaching us unlike the colonial masters who came for their own gain. The missionaries helped stop most of our evil believes such as killing of twins etc and what we do now is say they harm us with their religion.
If you say Africans are still slaves to the white then you are saying the truth cos you are still a slave mentally even when you think you are an exception because you don't believe in religion and the way Africans think, you actually do cos if not for what you see and think of the whites and how you so much want Africans to be industrialized and developed like the whites instead of developing Africa in its own unique way so the whites will want to be like Africans.
Or have you forgotten that civilization started in Africa?
Why did we send them back to their country saying we don't need them when we end up doing things the way they do instead of doing it the African way.

Instead of saying religion did this and that why not just change the way we understand religious teachings and the way we hold the whites high.

i think what needs to be blamed is people like you who repeat the same useless argument and try to pacify and divert from the harsh reality.

Many Africans are not yet ready for a revolution. they are satisfied with the same muck they are in. it is all they have known since birth and it is the best they have ever had.

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