[size=14pt]Is Giving to the Poor a Good Investment?[/size]

It grieves my spirit to hear that there are some ministers teaching—or at least giving the impression—that giving to them personally will bring a greater blessing to the donor than giving to the poor or supporting the local church's ministry to the poor. Again, these individuals imply that because they have a "special anointing" like Jesus, they have a gift—a Midas touch—to multiply money back to the donor and impart great blessings.

Some of these ministers actually suggest that there is not much blessing in giving to the poor by quoting Proverbs 19:17:"He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the Lord; and that which he hath given will he pay him again." "That's not too good an investment," they say. "Giving five dollars to a poor person is a loan to God, and He will pay you back five dollars. You get back just what you 'loaned' to God. But if you invest that five dollars in a ministry with a 'higher anointing,' you can expect a multiplied return."

[size=14pt]Firstfruits[/size]

Many years ago, there was a teaching on firstfruits, which went back to the Old Covenant under the Levitical Law. It focused on the fact that the firstfruits were brought to the priests personally, and that these Old Covenant priests represented a type of present-day fivefold ministers because they were anointed. A serious problem develops when we begin referring to fivefold ministers as priests.

Making a New Testament application of Old Testament technicalities violates every principle of Bible interpretation, especially when there isn't a single New Testament usage of the word "firstfruits" in the context in which it is being preached by some ministers.
The concept of firstfruits is not used in the New Testament in reference to financial giving. There is not even the vaguest hint of it by any New Testament writer in reference to money or the support of ministers.

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Tithes[/size]

I've heard preachers try to hammer Christians by quoting from Malachi chapter 3 saying that they are cursed if they don't pay tithes and give offerings. Obviously, this is not correct. While the people of Malachi's day were under the Law of Moses, the New Testament plainly declares that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13).

Does that mean that tithing is no longer valid? Not at all. As I said in the last chapter, God's people were tithers four hundred years before the Law, and Jesus reaffirmed the validity of tithing in His teaching. In the only recorded instance of Jesus' referring to tithing, He said it should be done!

But there is no curse today for not tithing. We are free from the legalistic requirements of the Mosaic Law. Is there any other consequence? Yes, if we don't tithe, we limit ourselves from receiving the blessings God has promised those who pay tithes and give offerings by faith.

Candour:


If I call you double minded man now, you go begin shock like 'agbalumo'. I even predicted you'll soon change position and you fulfilled my prophecy in less than 30mins.

It's like queuing behind either prophet Elijah and prophet Saul na, lol. Both are prophesying but na prophet Elijah sure pass. Who can tell if you weren't breathing threatening and slaughter before you wrote that post until thankfully the Holy Ghost laid you down and made you prophesy till fellows ask, is Saul also among the prophets. i no fit say maybe you lay n.aked typing that post, na only you and God know that one, hahaha.
On a more serious note, you both were on the same wavelength as it were(but Bidam sure pass jare). You said prosperity is not a sin, prosperity should not be preached against, some people are natural prosperous. You quoted Matthew 5:45 showing GOD prospers everyone including sinners, fallen nature can negatively affect one's prosperity. Knowledge, hardwork, diligence etc can prosper a person ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. These were your points and i completely agree with them. Bidam said pretty much same (he said it better sha). He talks of an opposite extreme against prosperity, that shouldn't be. Says God's prosperity plan is available to ALL. He then defined prosperity in a sweet way. Told folks to stop bringing private eisegesis. Said any theology that enhances poverty without teaching biblical prosperity is demonic. These are what I'm for. Indeed, we can do nothing against the truth, i wish that could be said for all of us.

Heheheheheh, I think I know why they are calling G**bs a 'kid' (avoiding a mention). Aside him mopping some fellas here clean with the word, he seem to have this thing-whenever he leaves a thread WinsomeX and his crew are having a field day in, that's after he's made his points, the thread seems to die down, and hardly on the front page of the religion section.

For example, the threads about Pastor Chris by our noble elder stateman, the thread about the healing school with, proponents of touch not my Annointing by another elder.. etc. This seems to have pained our elder statesman and his minions. They know, the moment he leaves this one, and mba too, the thread gradually fades off. Little wonder the WoF baits they've thrown around.

I'm beginning to get familiar with this section and its unique nature. These elders can get personal eh? You can feel their rage when ever g**bs and mba are mopping them. Yet, when these elders open a thread, they atimes invite the 'kid' for opinion. I noticed it's been a tough ground, and elders here seem to be uncomfortable some kids are getting their blood pressure blaze new trails, reaching record heights.

Some elders made their purpose known, to sow seed-whatever they mean. Some carefully wish this thread is going to stop Cannan land from filling to the brim on sunday, or LCA to be scanty during meetings, because they sew seeds! Laughable, I tell you. If they call me a kid, it doesn't matter, neither is my person hurt, why? It's an opinion they are entitled to.

This thread started off and mba and gombs were giving punches, pulling down imaginations, and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, in reality, they were well furnished with the word, and like image said, we can't do anything against the truth. G***s felt he's bullying, and opted out, I pulled him back, I have now noticed he doesn't like prolonged argument and debates, point noted. Now, he and mba are gone, if image follows suit, I give this thread 3days minimum, 6 days max, and it's a dead one. This is what majorly pains the elders, for that kid come in, makes a simpleton outta them and walks out, head high.

Anyways, quote me at your own expense, I won't reply, neither would I remain here. The church is too massive to change anything with too much talk and threads, yiur weapons of warfare are carnal, that's why your campaigns would always fail, use tithing as a reference-the anti tithe tract thread, no doubt some churches takes somethings to extremes, but hey, that does not mean all churches do, some church branch might take things too far, but that's why we pray, we don't take it to a discussion forum to 'sow seeds so that scales would fall off' or 'warn others' or 'preach the true gospel'. If only you knew the number of folks praying for the ministries you elders are trying hopelessly to bring down on nairaland, and the ministers. You will NEVER move outside nairaland.

If you want a change, pray fervently and fervidly. Talk is cheap. Meanwhile, keep hoping the scales will fall off my eyes too.

LambanoPeace signing out, call me his lawyer? Na you sabi, or maybe Pastor Chris has seriously damaged my brain? Na you sabi too

Warm Regards.

nannymcphee:
A little definition will be helpful

1. What does it mean to be materially wealthy?

2. The "physical riches" that Christ gave to us as Christians, who determines the level or amount of these riches, a Christian will have

Is it God or the individual based on his knowledge & understanding of this provision

3. If all Christians acquire this knowledge/understanding of the "physical riches" in Christ(by this I mean if they give equally, pray equally etc) will they all command the same amount of wealth

4.can you please state how one can strike a balance in the quest for material prosperity


Gombs, mbaemeka, Image123, bidam your input will be appreciated

most Christians who have believed this prosperity message, have this view that they must be mega rich, enjoy the best things of life

so answers to the above questions will help put things in the right perspective

1. To be materially wealthy is to have what you need physically in abundance. Paul said that God is able to do that, i believe him.
2. Physical riches and any other thing is determined by a combination of many factors, in this case, both God and the individual are involved. God may give you five talents, you make extra five or even fifteen, or make nothing, or even lose some of the start up five. Grace alone don't buy megabytes you have to buy that recharge card and load it.
3. Situation 3 is not possible, at least not this earth and time.
4. Strike a balance by being balanced of course. Let your moderation be known unto MEN, the Lord is at hand.

brocab:
The truth is any pastor from any church who preach on tithes, is not preaching or teaching the bible. Jesus said in Matthew 17-24, Those who receive the temple tax came up to peter and said: Does your teacher{jesus} not pay the temple tax? Peter said: yes, And when he had come into the house Jesus asked him saying: What do you think Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, Jesus said: from their own SON'S or from strangers? Peter said: to Jesus, From strangers," JESUS SAID:" THEN THE SON'S ARE FREE. If we are god's son's then we are free from tithing.

Am i expected to respond to this, or why exactly did you mentionquote me?

Gombs:


*falls of chair laughing

Nice piece bro

Thanks Gombs. which kain chair be that na? Sit on quality chair jare, abi you dey abase for windowsx dem? lol

shdemidemi:



I have no interest in your petty talks and baseless jabs. If you have anything with substance to say, say it for the edification of those reading you.

Jesus was physically here on earth as Christ for about 33yrs. Some people didn't even have an idea even though they saw Him and even killed Him. Some others are still expecting Him.

Gombs:



If not for rules on NL and sanctity, I'd have put up most of their info...I don't get personal online,especially NL.... elders here do, make me wonder whether elders here are morally bankrupt

The bullying is unfortunate.Morally bankrupt, financially bankrupt, miracle bankrupt etc bankrupt. Miracle dey no get, church dey no get, pastor dey no get, morals dey no wan get. One would think they were the most pious but all na facade. They can abuse, insult, malign, criticise, lie, fight, have bile and unforgiving spirit etc. All they have are recycled youtube links and copy and paste. Don't mind them.

Nanny, link to Midas' touch ebook?

Bankruptcy of the prosperity gospel... Looking at the quotes from Midas Touch, I am convinced that if Hagin had lived longer, he would have totally renounced the prosperity gospel he helped enact in the church.

Nevertheless, God is so kind to ensure that Hagin's limitations were further taken care of by the Spirit of God teaching individual believers and delivering God's people from a truly bankrupt gospel.

everyone needs to know the truth.

Image123:


Am i expected to respond to this, or why exactly did you mentionquote me?

everyone needs to know the truth. And its good to hear it from others, to share it around our globe.

Image123:


Am i expected to respond to this, or why exactly did you mentionquote me?

So you believe tithing is in place for today. you need to read your bible? Could you show me in the New testament where Jesus said: we are to tithe to receive our blessings today? or maybe I can show you in the New testament where Jesus said: we are free from temple taxes {tithes}.

nannymcphee:
[size=14pt]Firstfruits[/size]

Many years ago, there was a teaching on firstfruits, which went back to the Old Covenant under the Levitical Law. It focused on the fact that the firstfruits were brought to the priests personally, and that these Old Covenant priests represented a type of present-day fivefold ministers because they were anointed. A serious problem develops when we begin referring to fivefold ministers as priests.

Making a New Testament application of Old Testament technicalities violates every principle of Bible interpretation, especially when there isn't a single New Testament usage of the word "firstfruits" in the context in which it is being preached by some ministers.
The concept of firstfruits is not used in the New Testament in reference to financial giving. There is not even the vaguest hint of it by any New Testament writer in reference to money or the support of ministers.

[size=14pt]
Tithes[/size]

I've heard preachers try to hammer Christians by quoting from Malachi chapter 3 saying that they are cursed if they don't pay tithes and give offerings. Obviously, this is not correct. While the people of Malachi's day were under the Law of Moses, the New Testament plainly declares that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:13).

Does that mean that tithing is no longer valid? Not at all. As I said in the last chapter, God's people were tithers four hundred years before the Law, and Jesus reaffirmed the validity of tithing in His teaching. In the only recorded instance of Jesus' referring to tithing, He said it should be done!

But there is no curse today for not tithing. We are free from the legalistic requirements of the Mosaic Law. Is there any other consequence? Yes, if we don't tithe, we limit ourselves from receiving the blessings God has promised those who pay tithes and give offerings by faith.

Image123:


Jesus was physically here on earth as Christ for about 33yrs. Some people didn't even have an idea even though they saw Him and even killed Him. Some others are still expecting Him.

I am sure you don't know how much of an enemy you are to the faith, I also doubt if you care or have any concern for the gospel Of Christ. Your post are rarely post that glorify God but messages that glorify the body. Where exactly does your fidelity lie, in God or in your fallen structure?

Even if you lie and front like you have love for God, you shouldn't be lying to yourself. I am too sure you are in this for what you think you can gain and you do a very fervent job at twisting scriptures to validate your lustful agenda.

Please my friend, look introspectively and make an honest evaluation of why you are a 'Christian'- is it for God or for self!

brocab:
everyone needs to know the truth. And its good to hear it from others, to share it around our globe.

What is the truth?

shdemidemi:


I am sure you don't know how much of an enemy you are to the faith, I also doubt if you care or have any concern for the gospel Of Christ. Your post are rarely post that glorify God but messages that glorify the body. Where exactly does your fidelity lie, in God or in your fallen structure?

Even if you lie and front like you have love for God, you shouldn't be lying to yourself. I am too sure you are in this for what you think you can gain and you do a very fervent job at twisting scriptures to validate your lustful agenda.

Please my friend, look introspectively and make an honest evaluation of why you are a 'Christian'- for God or for self!

Are you a christian?
Do you believe the bible?
Do you believe Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever?

Image123:

Are you a christian?
Do you believe the bible?
Do you believe Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever?

I say yay to all three questions, why do you ask?

I hope you are not about to shove my earlier post back at me. What I wrote in the earlier post applies to me too, so I am not saying I am better.

WHY ARE WE IN THIS, FOR SELF OR FOR GOD!!!

Image123:


It's like queuing behind either prophet Elijah and prophet Saul na, lol. Both are prophesying but na prophet Elijah sure pass. Who can tell if you weren't breathing threatening and slaughter before you wrote that post until thankfully the Holy Ghost laid you down and made you prophesy till fellows ask, is Saul also among the prophets. i no fit say maybe you lay n.aked typing that post, na only you and God know that one, hahaha.

Hahahaha

If I naked prophesy, I sure say you being dey dig grave for yourself and asking to die out of anger Like Elijah before God said "relax image, you don't need to die because Candour spoke the truth"

On a more serious note, you both were on the same wavelength as it were(but Bidam sure pass jare). You said prosperity is not a sin, prosperity should not be preached against, some people are natural prosperous. You quoted Matthew 5:45 showing GOD prospers everyone including sinners, fallen nature can negatively affect one's prosperity. Knowledge, hardwork, diligence etc can prosper a person ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. These were your points and i completely agree with them. Bidam said pretty much same (he said it better sha). He talks of an opposite extreme against prosperity, that shouldn't be. Says God's prosperity plan is available to ALL. He then defined prosperity in a sweet way. Told folks to stop bringing private eisegesis. Said any theology that enhances poverty without teaching biblical prosperity is demonic. These are what I'm for. Indeed, we can do nothing against the truth, i wish that could be said for all of us.

You see, you'll go to a lot of trouble and still come up empty if you decide to take a trip through my engagements on NL to bring out where I said poverty is the will of God for Christians. I can also confidently say I have not read anybody preach it here. If you have, bring out the moniker and I'll join in condemning the person.

@the bolded. If we agree that God's prosperity plan is available to all, then why are we still arguing? Nannymcphee said God will/can provide materially. This is the message in Phil 4:19. It talks of needs being met, not wants. A major problem the world has today is knowing the difference between wants and needs and its unfortunate that Christians have been sucked into that same hole. This leads men into piercing themselves through with many sorrows like Paul said, all in a bid to keep up with the Joneses.

The bible encourages work and God will bless the work. Who is blessed then and who isnt? The man can afford UI for his child, the one that can afford CU, the one that can afford Leeds or the one that can afford Harvard. Which of them isn't blessed? If the Harvard-able-to-pay father is the blessed, how many of you who preach this 'prosperity' thing can afford it? Why can't you afford it? Is it a lack of enough faith? The devil? Or God's wickedness? The funny thing is that we have plenty Harvard trained Nigerians but God placed a Nigerian university trained zoologist as president.

It was needs Jesus promised adding to us in Matthew 6:33, not our fanciful wants. A colleague of mine was driving a Honda 2008 but believed he had to drive a more recent jeep to feel arrived. He took delivery of highlander 2012 last year June but is now gunning for a range sport 2014 because he has to keep up with his mates.

What will it take for humans to be satisfied?

shdemidemi:


I say yay to all three questions, why do you ask?

I hope you are not about to shove my earlier post back at me. What I wrote in the earlier post applies to me too, so I am not saying I am better.

WHY ARE WE IN THIS, FOR SELF OR FOR GOD!!!

If you're a christian, you would not have condemned the guiltless. If you believe the bible, you will know that God has pleasure in the prosperity of His people. If you know Jesus is the same forever, you'd believe in miracles and divine encounters today.

Candour:


Hahahaha

If I naked prophesy, I sure say you being dey dig grave for yourself and asking to die out of anger Like Elijah before God said "relax image, you don't need to die because Candour spoke the truth"




You see, you'll go to a lot of trouble and still come up empty if you decide to take a trip through my engagements on NL to bring out where I said poverty is the will of God for Christians. I can also confidently say I have not read anybody preach it here. If you have, bring out the moniker and I'll join in condemning the person.

@the bolded. If we agree that God's prosperity plan is available to all, then why are we still arguing? Nannymcphee said God will/can provide materially. This is the message in Phil 4:19. It talks of needs being met, not wants. A major problem the world has today is knowing the difference between wants and needs and its unfortunate that Christians have been sucked into that same hole. This leads men into piercing themselves through with many sorrows like Paul said, all in a bid to keep up with the Joneses.

The bible encourages work and God will bless the work. Who is blessed then and who isnt? The man can afford UI for his child, the one that can afford CU, the one that can afford Leeds or the one that can afford Harvard. Which of them isn't blessed? If the Harvard-able-to-pay father is the blessed, how many of you who preach this 'prosperity' thing can afford it? Why can't you afford it? Is it a lack of enough faith? The devil? Or God's wickedness? The funny thing is that we have plenty Harvard trained Nigerians but God placed a Nigerian university trained zoologist as president.

It was needs Jesus promised adding to us in Matthew 6:33, not our fanciful wants. A colleague of mine was driving a Honda 2008 but believed he had to drive a more recent jeep to feel arrived. He took delivery of highlander 2012 last year June but is now gunning for a range sport 2014 because he has to keep up with his mates.

What will it take for humans to be satisfied?

i no be Elijah, i queue for him back as it were. You know Elijah wanted to die because of jezebel's madness, not because of Candour. Abi you be jzbell? hahahaha.
i didn't accuse you of saying anything, so it's a wonder why you want me to go to any trouble. Most of the rest of what you wrote is largely irrelevant to my posts on this thread. Take your burdens to the Lord and leave it there. i'm not the Lord, just His boy.

I just read the chapter 6 of 'Midas touch' which nannymcphee posted and I now know the reason why for the 3 years I spent in WOF and the countless times Hagin's books were mentioned, not once did they make reference to this book.

I've said before that any pastor who teaches the 'prosperity gospel' of WOF is either ignorant or a thief. Till date, preachers on TBN, Daystar etc still preach the 100-fold return nonsense. God bless Kenneth Hagin for the courage he gathered to write this book before he died. Its unfortunate that those who almost swear by his name become blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to mentioning this book.

I must get this book as soon as possible.

Image123:


i no be Elijah, i queue for him back as it were. You know Elijah wanted to die because of jezebel's madness, not because of Candour. Abi you be jzbell? hahahaha.

No. Elijah wanted to die because he thought he was the only person with truth in Isreal. He ran from Jezebel because he didn't want to die then, after considering everything, he decided death was better than being alone in a fully 'pagan' Isreal.

Try spend more time studying bible instead of thinking and dreaming money

i didn't accuse you of saying anything, so it's a wonder why you want me to go to any trouble. Most of the rest of what you wrote is largely irrelevant to my posts on this thread. Take your burdens to the Lord and leave it there. i'm not the Lord, just His boy.

Of course it will be irrelevant to you just as 'Midas touch' escaped your radar despite your proffessed 'love' for Hagin until nannymcphee 'mercifully' brought it to your view.

Also, why do you always think you're the only one i write to when i post? Have you forgotten this is a public forum? Pls close your eyes to this post I beg you. Its surely 'irrelevant' to you. Others who need it will read it.

Cheers

Image123:

If you're a christian, you would not have condemned the guiltless. If you believe the bible, you will know that God has pleasure in the prosperity of His people. If you know Jesus is the same forever, you'd believe in miracles and divine encounters today.

Notice how you have pushed a request for an introspective check of where your allegiance lie back to what I believe or not believe. I admit to whatever speculations and assumptions you throw at me, after all, the worse form of information comes from assumptions.

Can we now get back to my earlier post. Please address it appropriately.

shdemidemi:

I am sure you don't know how much of an enemy you are to the faith, I also doubt if you care or have any concern for the gospel Of Christ. Your post are rarely post that glorify God but messages that glorify the body. Where exactly does your fidelity lie, in God or in your fallen structure?
Even if you lie and front like you have love for God, you shouldn't be lying to yourself. I am too sure you are in this for what you think you can gain and you do a very fervent job at twisting scriptures to validate your lustful agenda.
Please my friend, look introspectively and make an honest evaluation of why you are a 'Christian'- is it for God or for self!

WOF fanatics are pressed to explain the glaring inconsistencies between what they teach and reality mainly that no Christian is either disease-free nor immune from poverty or that Christians generally are no better that non-Christians on these two parameters. It doesn't matter whether you are talking of individual Christians,churches or 'Christian' nations, poverty and sickness is a harsh reality you can't bury your brains away from regardless of the amount of rhema you can distill from Genesis to Revelation and your faith notwithstanding.

The biggest fraud is the excuses paraded to explain away the inconsistencies. A broke and sick and dying Christian is still 'rich' and 'in health' and the Word of God is not voided by the experience. The 'Word of God' here is nothing more than traditions of men in which they have invested heavily financially,emotionally and spiritually.

It helps to aks WHEN these teachings were introduced into the body of Christ. It also helps to aks what was believed BEFORE the teachings were sneaked in. It is the height of arrogance to purport to know more than the collective revelation of all Christians who lived before the doctrine was first introduced.

God heals and prospers whenever,wherever and whoever He wills and we can't talk Him down using His word and order him around like He was some sort of character in a video game like Temple Run. This is not a position of faithlessness but humility.

The only reason the adherents cling to these beliefs is because they can't entertain men they have invested so much into, men they trust being wrong.

The Lord will not only make you debt free. He will also use you to lend to nations. #TheGreatestGift

this from adeboye and that shows that he is a heresy prosperits teacher he is not better than bensy hinn and he learn.

This what he told his followers is so dangerous.

He preach a heresy gospel.

My father in Heaven says before the end of this year you will get your promotion. #rccgfol #GreatestGift"

so this shows that he is also a heresy preacher why he can say my father in heaven is it not our father in heaven.

Here is Keneth Hagin's Midas Touch book, not sure of copyrights or not
http://www.ekklesia.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Kenneth-E-Hagin-The-Midas-Touch.pdf

vooks:
WOF fanatics are pressed to explain the glaring inconsistencies between what they teach and reality mainly that no Christian is either disease-free nor immune from poverty or that Christians generally are no better that non-Christians on these two parameters. It doesn't matter whether you are talking of individual Christians,churches or 'Christian' nations, poverty and sickness is a harsh reality you can't bury your brains away from regardless of the amount of rhema you can distill from Genesis to Revelation and your faith notwithstanding.

The biggest fraud is the excuses paraded to explain away the inconsistencies. A broke and sick and dying Christian is still 'rich' and 'in health' and the Word of God is not voided by the experience. The 'Word of God' here is nothing more than traditions of men in which they have invested heavily financially,emotionally and spiritually.

It helps to aks WHEN these teachings were introduced into the body of Christ. It also helps to aks what was believed BEFORE the teachings were sneaked in. It is the height of arrogance to purport to know more than the collective revelation of all Christians who lived before the doctrine was first introduced.

God heals and prospers whenever,wherever and whoever He wills and we can't talk Him down using His word and order him around like He was some sort of character in a video game like Temple Run. This is not a position of faithlessness but humility.

The only reason the adherents cling to these beliefs is because they can't entertain men they have invested so much into, men they trust being wrong.

Hear Hagin on the mathematics of starting 'sowing' with $1

"At the time of this writing, the man with the most financial wealth in the world is considered to be Bill Gates of Microsoft; his net worth is estimated to be as much as $85 billion. So a person for whom the hundredfold return worked as described above would have 1,176 times more money than Bill Gates!

If the hundredfold return worked literally and mathematically for everyone who gave money in an offering, we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!"

At least Hagin; their hero said this not me. Those who use Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others to point out the lie of this 'gospel' are accused of being carnal. I hope they'll be able to describe Hagin in similar terms.

Those that will be wise will be wise.

vooks:
Here is Keneth Hagin's Midas Touch book, not sure of copyrights or not
http://www.ekklesia.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Kenneth-E-Hagin-The-Midas-Touch.pdf

He is one of the fathers of the WOF movement,

He is the founder of the prayer and healing centers, he make money with this centers and his church belong to his children

that shows that it is only a business to sell the gospel.

What happened to this Hagin? Was he trying to correct his errors like Derek Prince and his submission to authority heresy?
I can't believe this is Hagin's work

Candour:


Hear Hagin on the mathematics of starting 'sowing' with $1

"At the time of this writing, the man with the most financial wealth in the world is considered to be Bill Gates of Microsoft; his net worth is estimated to be as much as $85 billion. So a person for whom the hundredfold return worked as described above would have 1,176 times more money than Bill Gates!

If the hundredfold return worked literally and mathematically for everyone who gave money in an offering, we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!"

At least Hagin; their hero said this not me. Those who use Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and others to point out the lie of this 'gospel' are accused of being carnal. I hope they'll be able to describe Hagin in similar terms.

Those that will be wise will be wise.

I know that but in this book he corrects much of the fraud in the movement. Read it and then we can exchange notes

nora544:


He is one of the fathers of the WOF movement,

He is the founder of the prayer and healing centers, he make money with this centers and his church belong to his children

that shows that it is only a business to sell the gospel.

@Oga Candour, a blessed Sunday to u sir! Hope family is ok.